Flowing With Spirit
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Flowing With Spirit
Exploring the Unknown: A Journey of Time, Dimensions, and Spiritual Encounters
Ever pondered the mystifying realms beyond our physical world? Or questioned the true nature of time and reality? Our intriguing guests for this episode takes us on a remarkable journey into the unknown, sharing their unique spiritual experiences and encounters with otherworldly beings. Their enlightening insights into time looping, consciousness moving across dimensions, and the profound power of faith will leave you questioning your own reality.
Enriched with dyslexia and ADD, our guest perceives the world beyond the physical realm. Her journey of accepting and embracing her differences has led her to deep connections with spiritual guides, who've significantly shaped her life. This episode uncovers the fascinating balance between technology and nature, the concept of reincarnation, and the transformative power of self-discovery that will undoubtedly captivate your curiosity.
Our conversation further explores the gentle art of nurturing intuition and the incredible outcomes of following spiritual guidance. We discuss the importance of faith, even when faced with challenges, and how it can lead us to our destined paths. Finally, we take a deep dive into the existential questions around reincarnation and destiny, awakening you to the possibility of a reality beyond what we know. Embark on this thought-provoking journey with us, and prepare to view the world from a whole new perspective.
To all listeners, we welcome questions and or input, feel free to send us any inquiry about topics of your interest.
You said you had some questions for should we just do something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I can grab some on my phone. So I was, you know, I was wondering. So the thing is that I'm interested in is talking with people that I find interesting, but not to talk about one. I'm not trying to talk as if you have like this superhero ability, but I do feel like you have this opportunity to see the world differently, right, because, like how we were talking the last time and just to kind of recap about it, is that we were talking about? Like how Leo and I were saying that we always have questions, like I'm always constantly questioning everything. One, I'm questioning my own mind, my own motives, and then I'm questioning the world around me, right, and in that is nice, because then you start to pick up on observations that you're making about the world and then, through that lens, you start to come up with your own hypothesis of you know the mind of, you know the universe, of like what's happening in the world and how the universe kind of is functioning. But then you said that I never had that. You said I just always grew up with answers and they would just always tell me. So one, what I'm interested in is like well, what's that? Like, like what's that? Like that you don't have questions, you just have answers. And then, second, who are they that you're talking about? And how did you learn that this day was something to be listened to and or this day is not just another aspect of yourself? You know, all of that interests me, like because earlier we were talking about when you were working as a nurse in a mental health ward and you were talking about you know these people and how they so like I feel.
Speaker 2:Like sometimes, at least for my own self, growing up, when I was in my, you know, even as a little kid, like even when I was East's age, like me and Christina we would talk about fake feelings all the time. Like I would sit there and I remember when I would sit there and like be looking at my cousin, my cousin, we're having a conversation, and then for some reason, in the middle of that conversation, I'd be looking at him and like I don't even know who this guy is. You know what I mean. Like it's like I know who he is, but it's like I didn't know. It was like this disassociation feeling and it would give me this creepy feeling that I would call him fake feelings, because it made me feel as if everything became fake. You know what I mean? It was almost like it's almost like you felt the matrix or something.
Speaker 2:Obviously, I never saw that movie at that time, but it felt like that, like something didn't feel my reality, didn't feel real, it felt fake. And that was at a very young age and it kind of like stayed with me for a long time and it freaked me out. And so these things of like how did you go on to trust your own mind or these own things that were happening? Like, when did you start getting like information? And when did these whatever you wanna call them beings, thought, forms I don't even know the word to call it they.
Speaker 2:You know when they when I mean at least we know they identify as they and he's shaking I'm not joking, but like. So I guess, like I'm going, I'm asking too many questions in one question, but I guess it would be like how did you start with that Like and what did that bring up for you when it was going on?
Speaker 1:I gotta think about it a little bit, because it's been with me for so long that I don't know I don't necessarily know if I paid attention to when it started. You know, it was probably more like a progression, even as a very young child. As a young child, I remember being more afraid than nothing, because I was often time exposed to a world that no one else knew, or that no one else wanted to talk about, or that was considered taboo, and so I was very alone in that.
Speaker 2:And so what was that world for you?
Speaker 1:For me, that world was hearing voices, you know, coming out of the walls in dark corners and seeing beings that you know like entities that nobody else saw. Hearing you know seeing dead people around other people and as a young child I remember you know laughing and saying but they're right there and you know everybody giving me a dirty look as if I just said something that wasn't right.
Speaker 1:You know, and so it was. I learned really early on to just not say what I experienced and just kind of thinking I just give it to myself and either I ignore it or deal with it, and just you know.
Speaker 2:But at that age it sounds like you already were able to distinct, like like. When you saw a person that was passed on and but you saw them around someone else, you were aware that that person was not aware that that person was. That dead person was around them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I guess from probably, because I'd never really asked questions about that, because, also, I didn't know. You know there was no.
Speaker 1:I knew that there weren't gonna be any answers, so there was no point to ask questions because the answer weren't gonna come, so I maybe accepted it, and that's probably what I feel that oftentimes the difference between or what that led to where I tend to accept things as they are and being okay with it because of the exposure that I've had over, you know, now a long period of time, versus people who don't have haven't had, you know, touch with that reality, where they tend to have they need the answers, they need to label things, they need to define things for what they are, whereas for me, it was just the world that I had to deal with. That was part of my world and every time I talked about it, I came, I received a feedback that made me very different and very awkward and people distanced me, you know, even especially my peers and things like that. So I just longed to just not say anything and just, you know, go on with my life the best that I could. I also grew up Catholic and that and I was very, very close to the church or, if anything the like I had visions of the Virgin Mother and Jesus when I was the first time that I saw her coming. Actually, it was really interesting. I don't know, I'll tell you about it.
Speaker 1:So I was, I was maybe five or six and my mother had punished us. I don't remember what we did, but she put my sister and I outside. We had a little courtyard that was part of the apartment and it was closed off so nobody could come in and we couldn't get out. The walls were very high and she had punished us to spend the night outside because of you know whatever. And she said that's where you're gonna stay and you know it was a little cold. So we were a little freaking out because we were young and nowadays you wouldn't be able to do that. But for us that was the truth and I remember calling you know, starting to pray, because that's what we did. We were raised Catholic and I saw the Virgin Mother coming down and I felt this wonderful warm feeling coming over me and just of love and affection. And I could hear I always heard her singing. There was always a song, and so then I learned to sing to the tune of that when I was younger, and I would just make my words, but I would use the tonality that they used. Did you still remember it? No, I don't, but it stayed with me for probably until I was maybe eight or 10, and then I didn't need that anymore, you know. But whenever I would hum that they would just come close and I could feel it same as I feel it right now. And you know, and that's how we got through that night you was sleeping outside, kind of thing.
Speaker 1:But because of that, that world, the church, or like the Catholic church for me not because I, you know, not the priest and all the represents, but more what it, you know, all these beings that they came, they came really early on I developed a relationship that became more like my family, and so I relied on that more than anything else and that's, I think, what really saved me from becoming more trouble person. You know, as I grew up considering and I think I became more, you know, because it was always part of me between the age of, like you know, my teens and 20s I dismissed it. I tried to be normal, I tried to be like everybody else. So I dismissed it a lot, even in my 30s. But it was always there and I always had knowing. I always knew things. You know, the knowing was always very strong and when I doubted, it was when I encountered more situations that were more complicated. And of course, I've been stubborn all my life, so I was testing my waters and I wanted to do it my ways and I had to learn it my ways and that way, and it was perfectly fine when I decided to re-invite them to say, okay, fine, I'm gonna, you know, do what you guys are asking me, because they were always present and that's when they came. You know, it was very apparent that they was. You know, the connection was extremely strong and they've been there with me for ever since.
Speaker 1:You know, and what I mean by day? You ask who day is day can be anything. I mean when I first start not first started, but when I first was open to work with them, the first being they came through were like I came to Michael or came to Matt Hadron was the one that was predominantly there had a personal spirit guide that stayed with me for about a decade to teach me the ins and outs about healing and also mediumship, until I chose. They gave me the choice to either continue down the path of mediumship or healer, and I chose to do the healing instead of mediumship because I felt I wanted to help people more, and it progressed also into then all kinds of entities you know, mean by entities, beings, deity.
Speaker 1:I don't really give them a name, but it can be just anything and anyone, all types of, depending upon who they are, meaning that the way I see them or they show themselves to me now is a bandwidth of color which represents an energy frequency, and within that energy frequency there is all the beings that are, you know, within that bandwidth and that's probably the best way that I can say it. So if the person that I'm working with needs like a line, color or melancholar type of frequency, then those are the beings that will be part of those. If one of them wants to let me know specifically that I'm here to help this person, then I will use the name, but otherwise it's usually a bandwidth, so they become collective. That's probably a better way. So for me it's anything and anyone and they're always there and whoever chooses. Sometimes they let me know if there's one in particular or the time. Most of the time it's just a day, you know collective.
Speaker 2:So are you aware? When something comes through, are you aware of what that being is?
Speaker 1:I don't ask it, I don't need it to ask it, so I trust it. What I've learned? I know a lot of people have an issue with making sure that you're not getting your messages from a source that is not clean or from a thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that's why I'm a student in terms of. I feel like that's what people get nervous about.
Speaker 1:So I use. Because of they, usually my full body feels energy, I feel so I use my body, all my senses. In that sense I can see them, I can hear them. They distinctly feel very different compared to if you learn to pay attention to how your body reacts. There is a completely different feeling from when it's they from the good guys versus the bad guys, if you wanna label them that way. The bad guys can sometimes disguise it, but you per se, are not gonna feel very well. You're not gonna be in a good place because of their influence, whether you like it or not.
Speaker 1:If you're not in a good place, usually I was clear before I do anything that needs to be done, but I also feel it in my body when there is something that doesn't work well. So it's either gonna be physical pain or a general ease, or it will be. Oftentimes they'll go after your wound itself and so they will enhance the feeling, how you feel about your woundings and your traumas, and so that's usually a tell-tale and I try to, but very often I just I can. If I am uncertain, I always ask who is it? Let me see. I always call upon my guides and then I'll know whether or not is something a clear channel or not, but I haven't had that kind of a problem very much.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think for myself, if I've ever come in contact with anything, I feel like it's always more of my own insecurity of like. Is this something? And what I found is kind of what you said, like I found that the energy is something that makes me feel confused, like within what it's saying or what it's doing. It's leaving me with this self-doubt or confusion. I kind of feel like there's something weird here. When it's over, if I feel like that, or sometimes, like you said, like I feel like my energy's like, I feel like I'm becoming more drained than actually, because typically, when something that comes in, that's again we're gonna call it good. I feel good, like I feel like you feel uplifted from it. But the other ones, even though if it acts like it's good, but I feel like afterwards I feel like I start yawning a lot. I feel like moshat. You know what I mean. It's like something's up, you know. So, yeah, I guess I'm trying to relate to what you're saying.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the biggest struggle when you first. For anybody who wants to start this, who wants to gain some more certainty, what is the best suggestion that I can give them is to keep in mind that you have to know yourself before you you know. In order to really trust something, you have to learn to know yourself and to be okay with it, and you also have to be okay to be wrong. The first thing you have to eliminate is that, because what we most lack is confidence in ourselves, especially when we're doing something that nobody can guarantee that you're actually doing it by yourself and you have to kinda. It's like as if you're you know. All of a sudden, you're developing your own flag for your own country and you're gonna be standing there standing by that flag and nobody is applauding you for it. You know nobody is going along with you and yet you have to convince everybody. You're telling the truth.
Speaker 1:Well, really, you don't have to convince anybody about the truth. The truth is not for you to convince anybody. It has to be your own truth. It has to be something that you embrace, not because you need to convince anybody else, but because you believe it, and that comes on.
Speaker 1:The third thing is the fact that all is true and nothing is. All exists and nothing does. It's like your truth is your truth and what you need it to be true, and my truth is my truth and what it needs to be for me, and so does everyone else, and that has to become almost like a credo. You have to be okay with that and whatever journey anybody has to go down, those are the three things, the three keys that if you embrace them and if you're able to really embody them and make it okay with yourself, those are the three things that will help you the most into then everything else will become so much easier in what you're doing. For me, what the biggest lesson was to stand by me. So trust my own. You know trusting your own thing because I grew up with the lack of that. So that was the biggest and the first thing that we worked on with my guides.
Speaker 2:Can I ask you how they went about working on that with you?
Speaker 1:Yelling in my ears to go ahead and do it, don't worry about it, we'll tell you what to say. So I'm sorry. So it was really interesting because I'll tell you the first time that I did a session and not a session, a talk about angel, and it was the very first time. It was very early on and they were absolutely pushing me to do that by constantly talking to me and they were just all around me the whole time and I had cards and you know.
Speaker 2:And this is probably before. Like this was like like now you see a lot of people doing talks and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:Yes, I knew nothing. It was early, very early on, and just dived right into it and knew nothing. So I thought, if I'm gonna be talking about angels, I should know what's written about them. And so I made myself two cards and the process as soon as I started talking, I got lost within them. I didn't know, I couldn't read them and I couldn't keep track of them. I was like I'll forget.
Speaker 1:And they kept saying just put them down, we'll tell you. And so I trust this. So I put them down and I trusted what they were saying and I went along with it. I stopped worrying about what I was supposed to say and what I should be saying, because it's what's it's out there and what everybody else is saying. And I trusted my guides that they're gonna tell me exactly what I need to say. And they did, and they never stopped ever since. So very early on, they showed me that if I let go of what I think, I perceive I should be, or I need to be, or how I should be sounding or what I should be saying, I need to trust just what they tell me and whatever comes out, it's exactly what needs to be said.
Speaker 2:When was this? Like? How old were you when this happened?
Speaker 1:Oh, this was like when I first started with the meetups, so that was about 10, 12 years ago, okay. So yeah, you were in the. States already.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, so in between that you were already having conversations with them.
Speaker 1:I was, but not as it was more in my dreams, or like they would come and tell me like I did tire cards often and they always gave me the same. We wanna you know.
Speaker 2:Like we wanna work with you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like you just have to invite us in and we'll work with you. Like no way in hell we're not doing that.
Speaker 2:So what made you not wanna do it?
Speaker 1:Because I believed the world that I had, that I needed to be part of, to feel like I was normal, like everyone else. That's what stopped me from doing it. I didn't wanna give up that world of being normal like everybody else.
Speaker 2:And then what made you decide like, all right, I'm gonna do this?
Speaker 1:Because that world wasn't making me happy. I wasn't happy, so I had to.
Speaker 2:So when you did that, like when you did that talk on Angels, did they? Ask you to do that, talk yeah. And when you did it were you like really nervous, Like what the hell am I doing? Extremely.
Speaker 1:I hate. Not, I hate, but I'm very. I have like stage fright and I'm very anxious, you know, about exposing myself in front of people and I never consider myself like a good talker or anything like that. But I had to give all that up and they were telling me you know, just go for it, don't worry about it, just be yourself, and it always works out the best. It really was the most. The one thing that I was able that they allow me to see was that the more I stayed my natural I was my true self and the better I was received and the more I saw people actually nourishing from that too, because that's really all it is.
Speaker 1:No matter what you're saying it's really for other's nourishment and so that was really my purpose. You know, like what I intended to do For what I cared the most about.
Speaker 2:Did you ever go through a period like a silent period, where they're not talking to you?
Speaker 1:I can push them aside if I wanna have a conversation without having you know other people telling me things while we're. I mean interacting with someone.
Speaker 2:I can just. That's another question actually that I was thinking about, but there was never a period like what happened. They're not around.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, I don't feel that, that. I think if it did do, it was maybe one week, but because I was, I don't remember exactly how it went about, but I may have been again. As I said, I'm very stubborn, so even if they tell me to do something, it takes me a while before actually do it, not because, but because I like to have my own opinion and sense of self, and so I try my way first, if I, especially if I don't agree with it. And I think for one week they were very, very silent. I really actually felt like I was disconnected. But I believe they did that to help me also understand how other people feel when they're not in, without that part of you know me, and that was it was I felt alone. I felt very disconnected and alone and I was like no, please come back as soon as possible. So, yes, I understand, you know I understand it was.
Speaker 1:It was a quite a it was a huge difference.
Speaker 2:Yes, and it was like like to always them be always being like the opposite.
Speaker 1:The opposite. I don't know. I mean, I guess, since they've always been there and never really minded, they've always helped me. Like I, you know, I struggle as a kid.
Speaker 1:I have dyslexia and ADD, and as a child I could never sit on my in classroom and really pay attention. And I, why would I pay that attention? I could look out the window and see a whole world that was, you know, other people couldn't see. I would see energy and in the trees and the leaves, and I would see beings within the energy, you know, within those, and whether it was my imagination or not, it was my world and I could just get lost in it. And so school was very hard for that, because I spent more time looking out the window than paying attention in class. But they, it created a world for me that I nobody could take away, you know, and I can always go there, more often than not, if I'm waiting and there is a tree out my window. I like to have to be by a window because I can always look at a tree and then I start focusing on the energy that goes through it and, you know, the other world beyond what we see actually, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. So by saying that, like you said that, like you're, you know, being dyslexic and ADD, do you think now, because there's all these diagnosis, do you think like, do you think that there's a lot of young kids out there that have the same gifts that you do? Yes, but they're being suppressed because of these medications?
Speaker 1:maybe no, the medication don't suppress the ability, if anything, that you can't really stop it.
Speaker 1:A lot of the kids in the past 10 to 15 years have been, have been brought with a with the ability to to for the two sides of the brain, for both sides of the brain to communicate with each other and work at the same time.
Speaker 1:Most often, if you're having one safe, the right side of the brain is working, the other left side they're kind of working independently. And if you have, like you have specific areas, you know they're not necessarily always lighting up all at once, but these children are lighting up on their ones and because they need that, because they they are more sensitive to the energies and to the energy of the earth, so they're more anchored to the magnetism of the earth, so that a nest to facilitate was to come for the future of the earth. And you know, in each generation from, especially from the 1950s, even the 1930s, each generation, so every 10, 15 years, there is an increase in even your the DNA, the connections of the DNA, like it keeps getting augmented, like bigger, more, more intricate and also is so is the brain and and we're becoming more and more connected to the magnetism of the earth and of all things.
Speaker 2:Why do you think that's happening?
Speaker 1:Is this a part of evolution or is like it's a little bit a part of evolution, but it's also, it's mostly so that we become more in tune to what it really is like, what the world really is about, what the universe is about, so that we become exposed to not exposed, we are better to accept the truth that otherwise we wouldn't be able to understand. So you need to have, if you've ever, if you've ever seen the movie and I hope a lot of people have seen the movie the Arrival they kind of venture the Arrival with Nicolas Cage no.
Speaker 1:No, I don't remember the name of the actress, but the movie's the Arrival. It's about the spaceships that comes. There's more than one. They come home to earth, and then there is this thing about how they are communicating with these aliens?
Speaker 2:Oh, yes, with the circles. Yes, I love that movie.
Speaker 1:Yes, it's actually. I cried watching that movie. Leo and I went together and I was bawling because it was the first time that I saw what I knew about the language or, like the timeline, how time is really perceived outside of what we perceive as reality.
Speaker 2:Can you like explain that to me what? Do you mean by that? I will, Amy Smart right, no, not Amy Smart.
Speaker 1:Anyway, I forgot her name, amy Something. Yes, you're right, I don't remember her name British Air Blue Wines.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and, but anyway, the movie of Arrival when it talks about languages and time. It means that if you are exposing and there are some scientists, this is shown in science too that if you expose yourself to languages or if you allow yourself to embrace a truth that may not necessarily be the truth that you believe, but something else outside of all your belief systems, right, if you accept, if you allow yourself to accept, a different truth that pushes the boundaries of what your knowledge, of what you're willing to comprehend, accept, or whatever it would allow you for your brain to then understand things beyond that you know. And because you won't be able to if you don't go, if you don't allow yourself to accept the truth. So it's similar to like asking questions, but you have to actually be willing to be okay to understand something different than what you actually know. And that finishes that long question. Yes, earlier, but what did you ask about time?
Speaker 1:So, time, you want to see yourself, when it comes down to time, as if you are in the center, at the center of everything, and you have these bubbles of consciousness. It's the bubbles of consciousness, but also of time. Time is more like a sphere. It's not necessarily a linear thing. It's actually a sphere and your consciousness, from the center of it, can hop in all these different other spheres, realities, if you want to call it, or bubbles of energy or time, and you can go back and forth in different, all kinds of dimensions, past and future, and also to other parts of your own self-reality. When you're doing that, you're also connecting to other. When you're connecting to your other selves, you're also connecting to other people. What I mean by that is that you have been other people and you are merging the consciousness and it kind of is the one thing that makes us almost comes as close, as I understand it on one-ness, because you have this way of communication through times and through consciousness and how you can connect with everyone else in that way.
Speaker 1:And often time we are also, more often than not there is a majority of people have while they're sleeping, they're actually going into different times of themselves, whether they are actually living in those. There's parts of themselves living in those realities, because we do have that too and we are accessing or like if there is a different, it's a parallel reality. You can access information from your other selves, bring them back to your reality right now and kind of almost solve problems and find solutions. It's like, you know, sleep on it. Why we say sleep on it? Because you actually, your consciousness leaves, can leave and go to other places. You can, same as when we dream, and have a council, you know with our councils and get information in that way. So it's pretty cool. I think that we can do that and you know, I don't know if it answers that's much better.
Speaker 2:No, I mean, when you were saying it, two things came to mind. One was years ago. I was walking in the woods and then, out of nowhere I can't explain, but out of nowhere I just saw this guy, this really tall black dude. He had like a walking stick and he had like goats and stuff like that and the area like behind him. It looked like I'm just going to say Africa, but I don't know for sure, but it looked like that and he looked like it wasn't like an African American, like he looked like. He was like I'm a tribe or something the way he was dressed and he was looking at me like what the hell is going on? And I'm looking at him the same way. And then we just sat there and just looked at each other. I was looking up at him because he was tall, and then we just smiled at each other and then we were just sitting there looking at each other and it just went.
Speaker 2:It just like broke away and for the longest time I was like did I make like it was real, like Simone, it was real. And then for a long time I was thinking like did I just go through, like a wormhole or something? But then I was thinking like maybe he's me, like he's a part of me and there's a part of me like who wants to go and search for him. You know what I mean, and I don't even like know if I would remember exactly his face. I think I do remember his face, actually, but like I know I would feel it is what I'm trying to say like if I saw him, I would feel it like there was such a connection, I had such a connection to this guy and I was thinking like that, like something. I don't know why it happened or how it happened, what was the reason that it happened, but I know something happened where we contacted each other.
Speaker 2:And then it also brings me to something else that maybe you would be able to elaborate on is that recently, layla being in Italy my wife she was with her friend and Issa and they were at the beach and they were going back to Florence and they were on the highway driving, my son's asleep and they're going, and she said that out of nowhere they got this weird feeling and they're driving and it was like where they were driving, and then, out of nowhere, like there was no, nobody on the highway, no, no, no, they were on the highway. And the next thing, you know, there was like nobody on the highway, like there was nothing there, and they were passing what they already passed. You know what?
Speaker 1:I'm trying to say yes, yes, I do.
Speaker 2:And Layla's like didn't we just pass this place? And Megan's like yeah, and then Layla was thinking so she's like, did we go into like an alternate dimension or something like that? And she was like just thinking it. And Layla you guys know Layla, she's really not like that, but Megan is and Layla said Megan said out loud, what if we're in like a parallel universe or something? And Layla got like scared because she was thinking it.
Speaker 2:But then they were going through and she's like not only was it like there was nobody on the road, they were passing something that they just passed already, even the GPS. You know, with the GPS, when it goes the nighttime, it looks it's night. On the GPS, the GPS was half daytime, half nighttime and they tried to call me. It didn't work, like nothing was working right. And then out of nowhere it just went and everything was back to normal. But where they were coming from there was all these cars, because there was a car on fire and Layla was wondering did something pull us out? Because that could have been us. You know what I mean. Like she didn't know how to explain it, so I'm bringing it up to maybe by what you're saying the day, somehow, like so we can do that in two ways.
Speaker 1:We can time hop if you want to where?
Speaker 1:we can either hop on a loop and move forward faster, slower or repeat it. You know we can do that with just our consciousness or with a physical body. I've seen it where we and when we do that, we can pierce. We pierce through that barrier of, like the timeline barrier, but also the multiverse or the different dimension type of, you know, if there's more than one. The only time I know that I do that, often the only time I've seen it like from someone else's, it was you, leo, where, you know, I saw actually a fissure of light appear right in the middle of the. You know where I was. I was at work and I was busy doing my thing. Well, I wasn't thinking about you at all but, this light.
Speaker 1:it was a bluish, whitish light and it just looked like a fissure and it opened and you pierced through it. I saw you and then you pop back out and pop back in and you were done and it made me, made me feel just really weird and dizzy and just all kinds of you know. My body reacted to that. Now we use the, the magnetic field of the earth, to do that kind of thing, our consciousness can actually break those, those.
Speaker 2:So I have a question. You, like you weren't aware that that happened. No. So so how? What do you explain from that? Is that like a part of Leo doing it?
Speaker 1:What they told me is that he was thinking about me so much that he made it so that his consciousness could push through those barriers and made it so that he traveled through time and space just to be to connect with me. So that was from his consciousness point of view.
Speaker 2:And you were just like picking up on it and I was picking up on it. I was able to see it. So we're probably just doing this all the time.
Speaker 1:We do it all the time, we just don't see it. So strong emotions of love, fear can make us do all kinds of things, because our brain goes into that overdrive and it starts using the majority of the brain to get us through whatever, and so that helps as well. The other aspect, what happened to Leila and Megan was we're driving. If it was when you're driving, you go into a trance a little bit. A lot of people go into a trance. So even if you're anxious or you're trying, to drive somewhere.
Speaker 1:If it's like the same kind of thing, you can go into that trance. That happens for a lot of people when they're painting or when they're doing something with their hands. Anytime that you do like a repetitive type of thing, you go into a trance that allows for your those time loops where we can. Our consciousness pushes us into these bubbles of energy where we are re-experiencing things. It also makes it so because we can time hop. As I said, we're in the center. We have all these bubbles that we can hop into it. It to us may seem to appear as weird when we are repeating something, but it can happen. Very often you get the sensation of like I've done it already, I've done this, I've said this. Didn't I tell you this already? Didn't we talk? About this.
Speaker 1:Didn't we do this, and so you are, if you're the type of person that actually has the ability to astral travel. I guess that people call it or time jump. I like time jump because that's really what it is. You will experience this in moments like that. In her case, it was both, because Leila needs to open up a little bit more, needs to see things from a different perspective. It was a little bit to avoid for them to get stuck into traffic, so they pushed them ahead of time and Issa was with them too, right? Yeah, Issa is very powerful as a being, so he definitely he loves kind of getting into these, you know, seeing himself going into, even though he may not necessarily be aware, but it's subconscious.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what I wonder, right? Because Issa, like, when he was a little kid he saw all types of things and he would always talk and he still remembers some of it, but a lot of it he doesn't. But then for the most part it's more when he hears me speak and I can see like I don't even think that he believes me anymore. You know, with some of it, some of it he does and some of it he doesn't.
Speaker 1:It can be experienced in many different ways and kids tend to be, you know, like the ones are most open to that. So you can do all kinds of, you can have many different experiences. You've had a few as you were a child also, leo or even as an adult. You've told me about of, not as much you don't call them as time jumping, but like having, even when people are meeting with entities that they're not necessarily aware, like going into that meeting God, or having going into the zero point. They're all really like the same kind of thing, they're all along the same kind of thing.
Speaker 4:Yes, I had experience, some of the experiences I had when I was meditating, and one of the experiences was I was sitting and I purposely wanted to go into a meditation and what I saw and this happened real quick. But what I saw was just blackness, but there was like a very, very slight hint of light and it looked like a curtain was opening up, sort of like an order, a movie or a stage, but it's so dark you could hardly see the curtain and I felt myself go through it. Once I went through it, all of a sudden everything stopped. There was no sound, there was no temperature, there was no color, there was no emotion. That was one of the biggest experiences, the most memorable part of it. It was just, there was no emotion, there was no thought, there was no fear, there was nothing.
Speaker 4:And at a distance there was like a little tiny red dot and it was the most incredible experience I ever had, because at that point it felt like that was my pure consciousness, very still in the point of time, just existing, not so much witnessing, processing information. It was just there, I was just there, period, and it was the most amazing experience. And then, as soon as you know, like a moment later I was out of it and it came right back. But I never forgot that and I think that if I had to analyze it, I would say that was like the mind of God. He was there, it was just a peaceful place, and he's not judging, he's not being critical of anything, he's just I am. He was there, this is me, and sitting in this vacuum of space and just existing, I mean I don't want to keep rambling on about it because it's like I can't find the right word to describe what I went through, but it was a beautiful, beautiful place and then it came back and then, you know, the drama of life just took over.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's interesting, right To have those experiences. And then you come back oh yeah, I don't. I it's, I don't know.
Speaker 1:So when you, when you were saying that you know at least what they were showing us or what they were saying is people want to have I know there's always a lot of interest for people to have these type of experiences- and not to.
Speaker 1:You know what I usually try to tell people not to complicate things, not to think that you have to try so hard or that you have to learn to manifest or learn to meditate or learn to astro travel. What you really want to focus on is the frequency and vibration, and the vehicle for that is really magnetism. And to understand about magnetism, magnetism is almost like as if it has the ability to bend time, to allow you to create war, taxes and to create, to warp even gravity, and just to create just the right environment that can allow us to, you know, to then have these experiences. Now, the similar things to magnetism is frequency and frequency. We can actually change our brain waves using sounds, colors. You know people, I'm sure everybody knows.
Speaker 1:There's many methods and it's like it's not just one or the other. You can use them all interchangeably. Medals work wonderful. Metals like copper works wonderful to create magnetism around yourself. You can create it in your room and you can create it outside. You can use the earth as an enormous amount of magnetism when people go to these places, that they have sacred places along the lay lines and that they feel that what the energies are gathered most is because there is a strong magnetism there and that's what's allowing, almost like allowing a portal for us to actually have experiences, and you're more likely to have to just create that. And then there are certain people who have just the right frequency, and they are not even aware of it, where they can actually accidentally then manifest these type of portals.
Speaker 1:He says one of them. He has a wonderful magnetism around himself, he has a beautiful, you know, magnetic resonance that keeps going and flowing. Our thoughts, unfortunately, what are woundings? You know our traumas, a lot of the things that we tend to focus ourselves on will change the shape of our magnetic field. It will actually make it resonate, like now people can actually start seeing that along the line of like they're doing experiments with frequency and like they can see it in the sands or with music and sound and stuff like that. I don't know what it's called, I don't know that people are doing it, I've seen it. The body is the same thing. You will have these constant circulating energy fields that they're very similar to the earth magnetic field or the sun or all the other planet and your thoughts do change it and they change the structure of it and if you have wounding they kind of tend to then get stuck or get you know. They focus into an area like an area that you know people then have issues, health issues and things like that.
Speaker 2:I can just point it out.
Speaker 1:And you, leo, have these. You have actually one of the strongest magnetic resonances that I've seen in people and you also have. We have multi layers. It's also what we call the aura as part of the magnetic field, same as when you're seeing like the aurora or borealis. You know it's the same thing, it's all the same thing. I don't like to focus on how we name in them. I guess people need to understand it, but because it really is all the same.
Speaker 2:So can I ask you something from saying that, like you know, you just said that, you just said that about Leo you mentioned Issa, do you so you like from you being able to see it so easily and perceive it so easily?
Speaker 2:and then you see people like that they're wounded right and it's changing. Do you see a lot of people like, wow, this person has the potential to be something very, very beautiful of service to this world, but there's like all this, all these wounds that are keeping them down. Do you see that a lot?
Speaker 1:I don't look at people that way, but if they come to me and they have, you know, if they ask me, yes, I, you oftentimes see the person, their potential and I always try to help them, you know and to achieving their best potential as long as it's part of their life.
Speaker 2:So it's not like you're walking around the supermarket like man cash cashier. You don't even know.
Speaker 1:No, that would be. That would be an intrusion.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 1:I, you know I don't do that and I was. I was told not to do that. And they told me, you know, the only time I I don't need to see it, you know.
Speaker 1:So if I see it is because I'm working with that person, not because as a nurse, I got to say, most often than not, I do use it, use my ability very often. If I'm guided to, especially for people who are alone, don't have anybody, and they're there, or you know, if they, I know they tell me that I can help them, whatever then I'll do it, but only if my guides tell me. So that's really the agreement that I made with them. It's like you tell me, you bring the people to me, you tell me who needs me and then I'll do it.
Speaker 2:Okay, and what? What about, like can I ask you something, leo? Sure, I feel like for you to have someone like you're married to, someone that can like see all these things, get all this information. Like do you ever feel like I just want to just sit there and just like ask Emily, like for myself, I can just keep on talking, like I literally can just sit there and keep on picking your brain?
Speaker 4:Do you? Well, most people like to call the psychic hotline and like to go to tarot card readers. I just woke up to her and say, hey, Simone, can you tell me something about this? And I get the answer. So, it says it's sort of like a gift from God.
Speaker 2:And for you does it get annoying, for you.
Speaker 1:No not really he's good with that and you know he does get carried away occasionally. You know if he's asking about you know specific things, and then I said, okay, that's enough. You know we're going to be done.
Speaker 2:Well, I have a question. Another question Is it you that says it that's enough, or do they say, listen, cut him off, oh really. You think that's all good.
Speaker 1:You know he's not always happy with one answers. Then he asks another question about it, Like he wants detailed details. And oftentimes they don't like to give details, because that's the only way that we get to exercise our free will. If you know too much, you can't exercise your free will because then you're conditioned.
Speaker 4:So that's when I say that they're not you know it actually will interfere with my growth or on my journey because I know what to expect, or I know what the direction is.
Speaker 2:So saying that, like no one wants to expect, do you feel like you get a lot of things also about like, like, about like what's going to happen in someone's life, or just, or socially, like what's going to happen to the country, or what's going to happen Both, both. Is it because you ask, or they just tell you, like you'll be sleeping, they're like, hey, just like you know, this was gonna happen.
Speaker 1:It's like a clock in the morning and we just wanted to let you know what's gonna happen tomorrow.
Speaker 2:No, no, it's not like that Is that gonna run for president.
Speaker 1:As I said, I usually don't ask. I really don't. I just gonna go about my day because I know that if I need to know something, they tell me. So let's say I'll be watching TV, or if I watch a show on TV and I'm seeing something, and they'll, you know, they'll come in very quickly and they'll say that's not at all how it's going. That's not true. That doesn't. You know. This is what's gonna happen, like with the country, with the, you know, election, for example.
Speaker 1:Now that's what's going on, not necessarily because I asked, but I can ask, if I wanted to, about something, and sometimes I do. Is that true? And they'll tell me yes, no and so on and so forth. When it comes down to like they've told me things about my children, very like time, a bit of a timeline, not not enormous and not so much, so just very, you know, very small little things, like you know, how many kids are we gonna have when they're gonna get married?
Speaker 1:And sometimes I just get a feeling like I'll have a conversation with someone and I'll know it's like yep, that's exactly how it's gonna. You know, I'll adjust now and it's it's my guides feeding it to me if I and I the. The agreement with them besides bringing the people to me and I'll you know and I'll look into them if you tell me to is also that whatever information I need to know, they'll let me know, meaning that I'm not necessarily looking for it. But if you need to tell me, then go ahead and tell me. But they don't wake me up in the middle of the night to tell me. They wait until I wake up in the morning.
Speaker 2:No, because you know something, that that it's actually being friends with you. That helped me to see is like I think when I was younger I had this like idea that, like you cultivate yourself, you practice meditation and then like one day you reach enlightenment and all your problems are solved, like nothing touches you. But then I was thinking, like you know, we've been, we know each other for a long time now and I would think like during that time, I know you have your, you had your own struggles. You know I've seen you go through your own struggles and stuff like that, and I'm like, well, here's a woman that has answers if she wants, but she still goes through things. So then I was it helped me come to this thing of acceptance, like, yeah, it's just a part of it, right, like we're going to go through shit, no matter what, even if you know all the answers of it, even how to avoid it, you can't, it's just a part of it.
Speaker 1:No, there's no more. No point into leaving that then you're not really living life.
Speaker 1:You worry and concern. I never worry about tomorrow or never look at it that way. I just take each day as the common. I'm quite happy with it. Sure, I have my struggles. I still do, and I said I wouldn't. I guess it's maybe a blessing that I don't really like to be told what to do. So even when it comes down to my guides, I don't care who you are up there, you know you still not good at. I'm going to live my life the way I want to, and it's I have to live my life where I don't have regrets.
Speaker 1:You know, and if I blindly follow somebody's guidance, then it can be the most accurate, but it's not. I'm not going to live my life. And then what you? Know you're going to do. So, and you're not, shit is going to happen. If life happens, there's just you can't avoid it. Just have fun while you're doing it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:The best you can.
Speaker 2:So do you mind if I go back for that? So when they, when you do get these answers like, for instance, you know you were just talking about like the time, like timelines and stuff like that, is that something that you were interested in, you asked, or they're just like the same thing, like they're just like hey, listen, I got to tell you something.
Speaker 1:No, that actually most when people are asking for questions. That's when I get the most information. So because you're asking that question like this time then they're telling me more.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:When I was doing. I've done many workshops and lectures and things like that, and so the the information about time has been given to me before and they're giving me an image and then I can go off by that image.
Speaker 2:So that's usually how it works for you, Like it's not. Like like I've seen this guy that channels and like he, he hears it and then he repeats it. You might like he'll talk really fast and then like, and then he'll repeat what he just, but for you, you're like seeing it more, like it's not.
Speaker 1:No, it happens like that too. Even tonight, while we were recording at least two times, at least two or three times I went into that. Where it was they? They take over and they start talking more than me talking, and other times it's like seeing and hearing at a combination of both, like you know, seeing a movie and also hearing them talking, and if I don't say it just right, then they come in more forcefully. If it's something that, if it's something that they really care for you to know or for the people to know, then they take over completely.
Speaker 1:Otherwise, if it's something that I already talked about, the information is there. They say I'll just talk about this, just talk about this, just talk about it, just say this, you know, go there and that's, and I just say yeah, when they took over, was this early on, when you, we just started.
Speaker 1:I think in the beginning and when we were talking about time, at some point they really became very strongly. I think, you know, because I start talking really fast too, or like it, like I get, I feel my face becomes different, I get a different look in my face. I don't know if you can see that or not.
Speaker 4:Well, the reason I'm asking is, it's not so much that whether I saw that on your face or not, but I got so dizzy and I was unable to focus on the conversation and I hope you just kept asking away because I was useless. I couldn't think of anything to ask, I couldn't interject any of my thoughts, and I think the only time I get like that is when the beings come in, and now I'm able to speak, obviously. So I'm assuming you're not really, they're not in your body right now, chet.
Speaker 4:No, they're here Right now, but they're not taking over like they did.
Speaker 1:When they take over like that, yes, they kind of come into your body and so they probably they change, they need to change the frequency or the vibrations. So even the ones that are here, so probably you, because you were so close to me physically, you probably felt them more because of that and it takes, it makes you dizzy at first to adjust it and then you get adjusted, but they're still here and if you ask another question that they really kind of are like there is some urgency sometimes, depending upon the question that people are asking, and then they come in forcefully.
Speaker 2:Not forcefully. So I ask a lot of questions because I ask people like I just started asking people that I know, just like. Hey, if you had a question that you want to ask it like intuitive, besides asking something specifically about yourself, you know what I mean what kind of ask, what kind of questions would you ask? For I looked and it was, it is. There was a question are you lactose intolerant? But you said that to me that was the question you said for me.
Speaker 2:So there is a couple. Let me see real quick, okay, the process of how they communicate, which we kind of touched upon, and then how to teach. How to teach this to others was a question how do you teach this to others?
Speaker 1:so I want to say a little bit more about the process, process of the community so there is an area of where they're coming in and it's always in the back of your neck, the base of the skull on the back of the neck, the first like when they're coming in or touching you, they're coming in into that area. So those try and change the frequency of the area. And that area around the neck has to do also with the front, which is your throat chakra, goes up into the mandible, the lower mandibles, your ears chakra, and the back of that also connects to your spine, which goes all over down to your root chakra, and they work on your crown. So when they first come in, it's almost like a you know, like they start manipulating those area to augment them so that they can actually, so that you can prepare yourself to actually hear them or be aware of them. And it's interesting because the all those areas have to do with, like, if you're not certain of yourself, your vocal, you know your throat chakra will be affected, your root chakra will be affected as well, and the sacrum and the solar plexus are great and they need to be well functioning. But your root chakra is where everything needs to start so that Kundalini that people talk about, that's your. The seat of the soul is there where everything is, you know, surge and everything grow and they do work on those area before they, you know they start coming in. Often time they'll put their hands on your back and so on the shoulders. So if you feel pressure around your chest, your shoulders, that's another way that you'll know that they're there, ready to come in with you. Some people will pressure in the front, you know the forehead, but most of the time it's not.
Speaker 1:You know, I think a lot of people are. They try too hard into hearing them because they want to have that certainty that they're actually hearing them and you really want to think about it more, that they really, in the end, will communicate to you telepathically and through imagery. So they use your telepathic area and they'll give you images in your mind, they'll give you your own thoughts. If something just pops up just out of the blue and you have no connection into thinking you weren't thinking about that or anything like that, just you know, assume that that's a guidance that you was given to you. Very often it comes in that way and if you don't startle easily, then they'll start talking to you and come in and work. But most often we startle and that's why they come in gently. The second part of the question was what they wanted to say that I'm about teaching it oh, teaching it to others.
Speaker 1:What does that? What are they asking, like how to teach it?
Speaker 2:yeah, I guess like, how do you teach us to others?
Speaker 1:yeah that's an interesting question. Well, I guess you are with it teachable really is it even teachable is? That what they're asking, I mean what you just said how to teach others. That's what they were how to teach others well, I would think that you would teach what you know about yourself to others. I mean, if I teach anything, it's because I know it on myself.
Speaker 1:I know what I worked on me and what what I know it could work on someone else is. The thing about teaching other people is everybody's different. The first thing to know about yourself is to which pathways your intuition is mostly open, like for you, christina, like you have a very strong knowing, but your voice you trust. Your like you need to speak your truth. Like you know you need to say what you feel and you like for people to be truthful, and so when you communicate, your voice is mostly true. But it wasn't always like that. You doubted in earlier, but you worked on that, so you're doing great right now. Sorry, I hope it's not okay.
Speaker 1:And the other thing that they're shown is that your third eye is also quite open, more than you know, actually more as a crown chakra. So for you, if you wanted to expand you know your ability because those are the first channel they're coming in through your throat, in your crown chakra then the thing for you to do is to actually really not censor anything that you feel and say and just speak it. Speak your truth, without censoring, without doubting, and that would allow it. You're kind of letting them know that you're okay and then they will give more power to your voice to speak to other people. And the other way, also for your crown, is to trust your. They actually come through for you in your dreams and they can, you know, they can actually give you more intuition, even through your dream.
Speaker 1:What I mean by that is that if you have a question and you need an answer for you, sleeping on it will actually work really well and you may wake up the next day and actually know the answers to things you know. So take it easy and sleep on and that kind of thing. And if you start trusting even the little bit of things that they give you, then you can actually move on to actually start trusting your ears, and that's when you start hearing more in your head and trusting that. That's usually the process that I would go about for everybody. If I were to be the class, I would tell them. Okay, I would probably go around and tell people what the strong aspect of themselves are, where their intuition already is this you know manifesting them itself and where they can't potentiate that and which pathway to go.
Speaker 1:So that would be the first thing that you know for anybody if you want to teach it. That's where you want to really start. And then also, probably the next thing would be to focus on telepathy and the way to to focus on telepathy. We already have it, we all have it. We just have learned to mute it and shut it down, and I use it. And so the way to run, if to actually count in on telepathy, you have to trust yourself. That means that if you are, instead of questioning and doubting, start trusting, and that's the best way that you can start trusting. To trust, you have to learn your physical body, learn how your physical body feels when it you know, learn to listen to your physical body, because your physical body will respond to threat or to you know. I think you were saying earlier something about you felt something oh no, who was it? Or I think you were talking about that girl that she didn't like the person, or they were out on the day right like that I trust her in six and she went with that.
Speaker 1:So trusting ourselves and learning to feel our body and how it responds to things, that's the first thing yeah and that will grow your intuition exponentially. Just doing that doubts is there any? Me, unfortunately. Dots and fear is just that will dampen everything. So and be open to the possibility that things may not necessarily be the way they are.
Speaker 2:Be open to anything really yeah you know I that I I feel like I don't want to say I'm trying, because it's not a trying, I feel, but it is a process, because I was thinking like, as you're saying, that I'm thinking about my job, right? So my job, I'm constantly touching people and what I find is, you know, I do a very classical acupuncture, so I'm constantly touching people's bodies, I'm constantly palpating and I'm doing like everyone that comes in, I'm doing what I was taught, like I press here, I can check in for this, I'm checking for this. But almost every patient I'll do something and I just touch and I don't even know why I touched it. I'm not even thinking like I'm just doing the thing and then I'll just touch and they'll be like, oh yeah, you got it, and they'll say that and I'm like why I just did that? But I always know, okay, I know so that intuition worked. But then the thing is like okay, thanks, you show me. You show me where it's hurting. Now, what do I do about it? And then I, then I rely on my training, right, but there's a part of me and I know some other, I've talked to you about this before there's a part of me that feels like I don't need to do any of that. There's a part of me that's just saying get up your heeled, like I feel it so much and it doesn't work, it doesn't.
Speaker 2:And then I know, like whoever's listening, like now I'm gonna go far off, but yours happened twice one time when Isa was a little baby like not little baby because he was talking already, so maybe what three or four and we were at my mother-in-law's and we were downstairs and there was ants and Isa got this ant and he completely smushed it. Right, I mean he smushed it. So I said, isa, you shouldn't take a life unless you can give life. So I said let's give it energy. And we sat there and he had it in his hand like this and I probably it'll make me tear up because I'm telling you like there's no reason for me to look crazy by saying it we sat there with it like this and he opened his hand and that fucking thing was walking. It was like completely normal from being smushed, from being smushed like I mean, leo, it was smushed, smushed and it was walking. And he did that another time and like my whole life I mean you can ask, christina, I've been obsessed with like wanting to do that because I always had this faith like miracles happen and I've had miracles in its own way, but not like that, not like that biblical where Jesus like get up and pick up your cane and go go home.
Speaker 2:You know, I'm not that for this and I believe it and I feel like it can happen and for some reason I try it and it doesn't happen, it doesn't work. And I feel like my mind, is it my? I feel like I believe it, but maybe I just don't, maybe I'm really don't. I'm kidding myself.
Speaker 4:I think his son at the time wasn't trying, he was just yeah, of course I know I was it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know it was it and the only time he did it. He did it again when he was older and it worked. But I think the reason why it worked is because he thought it could. It's just a normal thing, because he did it, you know, I mean and now that he's 10, I don't know I think, like he, well, you kind of yeah, yeah, he's starting to I feel like he, like in his past two years, I feel like he's going further away.
Speaker 2:You know from it whether he comes back to it. I don't know. You know, I mean, but also like my teacher. He told me, well, you don't know, because I asked my teacher, because he's a Dallas priest and he was being taught, like all these different type of, you know, meditation, cultivation techniques from a young age and one time I asked them do you think I should be teaching ESA this at this age? It goes, I don't know. Is that his path or not? You know, I mean, and I don't know either. So I don't want to press something on him because I'm really into it. Maybe he's not, maybe his practice video games, but I don't know. Anyway, yeah, no, no.
Speaker 1:I think you gave the answers. It's really the trying, unfortunately, most of the time yeah, I'm trying there's always an intent, and the intent may not necessarily be clear.
Speaker 1:The thing about healing is that it's not. It's not about whether or not you believe in miracle, but it's more about whether or not what is the right thing. You know what's your, what's the person's path, what is it you know? If it's it's, you have to when you're healing, you got to respect what it is, that the person that has a choice, that you cannot interfere into the life path and all that kind of beautiful stuff.
Speaker 1:Can you do, get up and you know and walk, sure you can. We all can. We can do it for ourselves, we can do it for other people, but it may not necessarily be part of you know someone else's path. So if you try it, but you're doing it without like if I were, if my guys were to tell me go ahead and do this, then I would, because I know that it's, you know, it's part of the person's path and I'm not interfering with anything.
Speaker 1:So my suggestion to you would be to cultivate that trust into your spirit guides and allowing them to tell you when to do it when is the right time, and that way you're not doing it because it isn't necessarily right, yeah, I know I get that and so I don't you know that's, that's probably say yeah know what I know about you and you know what you're supposed to do.
Speaker 1:You do have to grow that confidence in yourself that I think in the steps that you're gonna be doing in the next couple months are gonna definitely be putting you into the right path, where you're supposed to be going all along you know.
Speaker 2:So can I ask you something with that? When you say that, is it something that you're like, they're showing you something, or they're they're telling you that?
Speaker 1:they're telling me and showing, and they're saying what I probably told you since the beginning. That's what they're telling. We've been telling him and we've seen you from the beginning and you're getting closer to it.
Speaker 2:So which is great and it makes us happy.
Speaker 1:That's what they're saying. So they always want us our happiness. You know so. But miracles are a beautiful thing. The best way to do it is to is to believe in miracles, but not to try to do miracles right, not again, even like I wait, like before.
Speaker 2:You say it.
Speaker 1:I already like nobody.
Speaker 5:I'm sorry, I'm not trying to lecture you no, no, no, I know it's just yeah so so you saying that they see his path right, do you see where that's leading him?
Speaker 1:but you won't tell him because it's for something he has to figure out on his own, like even though you might see where his destination is, and like gonna end up, you see it, but you can't, you won't tell him, because if he, needs his free choice if they tell me not to say to someone, then yes, okay, so they told you not to tell them where he's made head in a few months he knows, he already knows, but I, if I say more, it will be interference right, so yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 2:Thanks for trying to get the extra information.
Speaker 5:Well you're he would focus on wall. Samona said that I'm gonna be here in three months and so you're not forging oh, you know that's a good question, because you know what that's a thing.
Speaker 2:This to the next time that's what they're doing like.
Speaker 1:I've had many clients that. I work with where they asked me the question about this and I said I'm sorry, but I'm not getting anything. That's their way of saying you know, we can't tell you. And then I say but I see you six months from now here, right and hint, you know, so if you're here in six months, then you know.
Speaker 5:That kind of gives you answer kind of be like oh so you know, am I gonna marry John? And if you say yes, but then here comes Tim and he's this wonderful man. Well, it's not 10, because she said it's John right exactly that was someone else that sent a question said.
Speaker 2:They said do you think? Do you think what they said, what they see and say more or less likely to actually happen, had they never said it to the person they are speaking to?
Speaker 1:interference, that's what they're talking about.
Speaker 1:So more often than not, whenever I'm talking and working with the client because they're already telling me what their difficulties and what they have to overcome is and then we try to you know the I always try to get the person to shift. And what it means to shift is that they are merging at part of when, the part of their self themselves, with that is part of the subconscious, with their conscious selves, and depending upon how that shifts occur and what they're letting go whether it's their emotional attachments to the memories of the event or it's actually a core programming, which is what I usually try to do that would actually change then their future. So often time I try, I work on that first and then we go into the next, depending upon how the person goes. So it's never to people the same. Then sometimes they'll tell them something that is supposed to happen to them, so they'll give them the idea, plant the seed, or will give them the carrot so sometimes you need the seed and sometimes you need the carrots.
Speaker 1:If you need the seed, then the encouragement or the thing that gives you the motivation then you'll be given a piece of information that will give you that. If the person needs the carrots, then you'll be given something that will also motivate in the person. But they need to make their own choices and earn decisions, and in order for them to do those decisions, they're given the carrot, and so they usually know the people better than even themselves, and that's why you're coming to me to help you maneuver around life and get into a better place, and so that's how it works so.
Speaker 2:So from that I know we're trying to be like a conversation thing, but I feel like I'm just going to question after question but don't jump in at any time. So you know from that you're saying like you're you're planting the seed or dangling the carrot, type of thing. So planting the seed or dangling the carrot, to me it's like you're trying to, they're trying to create a look in inertia for this person's life, right, to do something, to shift to what they got to be. So in Chinese medicine, so in like, in Chinese medicine, you know, buddhism they talk about like karma and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:So in Chinese medicine they speak about on or not, in Chinese medicine, taoism they talk about like a curriculum, right, like you come into this world with this curriculum and you're here to work on like certain things, right, and I remember, like my, I remember one of my, my teacher students saying like well, how do I know why I'm here? Then and they say he said, just look what you keep having the same problems and there you'll know. So I think, like my question is to them, or you know, to end, to you is to do all this work, like for them to give you that inertia, to give you the seed or to get dangled the carrot to get you to shift. Is what's the motive behind it? Like is it to evolve? Is it to like to not come, to not reincarnate? Like what? What's the the reason? Like what for them? What is the goal? What's the goal of us being here and in incarnating in this, in this well?
Speaker 2:you're asking two different yes, I, yeah, I know, I realize that that's okay.
Speaker 1:So the the goal of progressing is really to limit the suffering because, unfortunately, we we come.
Speaker 1:It's a very blind world, this one, and it's a world that we're like stumbling around and bumping into everything pretty much when we're here, and it's constructed in a way where we're stripped of everything pretty much and we have to regain all these ability I don't want to call them ability, that because or not but their perception, these, these senses, you know, and learning to trust ourselves. Oftentimes there's just so much for us to to get into a better place, and oftentimes that is the purpose of being here just to learn how to navigate through and, you know, so that you get into a better place for yourself. And it's really more about the choices they were making and whether or not we're able to make different choices. It's a, it's a huge playground. That's what we're here to do, which is use playground. It doesn't. It doesn't have. It can have more meaning for you if you need it, or it can have less meaning for you, if you need that, you know. But it's, it's a playground, so we can have it in whichever way we want to.
Speaker 1:In a way, and that's for the first, what was the second question? You said what is the? What was it?
Speaker 2:what? What's the purpose of it? You know right, is that what I said about like, like it, or what's the purpose of it? We here to evolve from it, like or like. Is there like, is it kind of like, is or destination. You know, like in a lot and a lot of spiritual paths, it's like, you know, to unite with, with God or to reach enlightenment, or. But you know what I mean like what's the reason? What's the reason even to incarnate here? Because, I'll be honest with you, I feel like if we came from somewhere else where we were closer to I don't know something, where there's less suffering, and then you come here, I kind of feel like, well, one already. It's like we should all thank each other, but you, we got, we got balls, we all came here. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Like we do we definitely have balls and we definitely forget. So the thing is that I look, if it's to me it's not about enlightenment okay, the reasons why we're here. I know that's what a lot of people need, because we all need a purpose, because without purpose, we have very little motivation.
Speaker 1:But then why is there oneness? If we're all one and we're already in the image of God and we're all our God, then why would we need enlightenment, right? What are we really achieving if already are all that? So that can't be the answers, you know. So it's not enlightenment that we need to, and often time when I work with people, I know a lot of people want to work on their past lives, on, you know, tons of stuff that didn't even happen in this current life and it's really that's not to me, my own reality and what I believe in is that whatever we're working on is whatever is happening in this current life. So let's deal with whatever is happening right now, because if it's something that happened in your best life, that would be the first thing that we would get rid of, because it's really easy, very said rarely. I work on past life in people. Most of the time it's like you know what stuff happened to you now should happen. Let's get rid of it and work on that. And it happened right now. What is this reality?
Speaker 1:The world for us, from different many with reality, is just. It's the one place that we get to experience so many and an array of emotions and feelings through a physical body that otherwise we won't don't have. When you go away from this I've been on the other side it's absolutely freaking. Gorgeous and beautiful. The feeling on the other side, heaven. You know what we call heaven, that feeling. You all you feel is an enormous amount of love, peace and just a swelling of like contentment. Like it just it's indescribable. Okay, it just it's amazing.
Speaker 1:Come in here so harsh and so wicked. It's just very harsh. Your physical body is heavy, it's, you feel, everything. Pain in itself is heavy. Having to, you know, deal with eating food all the time, or just in to nourish yourself, drinking water, even that sleeping, and how your physical body reacts to you know, just not getting the necessary thing to survive or even to be at well, that's an alone. It is a harsh truth. It really is a harsh environment. But we're here because we don't get this otherwise anywhere else, and so we're here to try different things. It's a playground and we get to experience all kinds of things that we get to come back to play different roles in different aspect. Is it enlightenment? It's not necessary. Alignment is just learning. So for some of us, we're learning different things and then we get to choose whether or not we come back to do more or we come back to do less. Or we go other places or we go experience different beings and different aspect that's what.
Speaker 2:I believe, at least that's what they tell me too because, like, I was thinking like, like okay, I'm in this, I'm in this body, right, you know we can go, each individual right, born immigrant family living in the United States, blah, blah, blah. But then I'm like well, let me compare myself to like a kid that's malnourished, living in Africa, like in some place where, like you know he's not eating well, and then I look at him and I can feel like well, that's unfair, right.
Speaker 2:Like why does this kid suffer, not me? But then there's this part of me that feels, that feels like, well, it's actually the same thing, it's, it's one, it's like one life manifesting in different ways, right, and there's this one that's going through me and this one that's going to this kid, to you or everyone else, and then it goes through this thing that I call me, this thing that called bow. That's that's having this experience. And then I can say, well, why am I lucky that I'm not having the experience like that one? But then then comes this, this to myself.
Speaker 2:If the reason I'm asking someone to see what you and you guys take and their take is that I've, there comes a sensation I like okay, but also I'm having my own sufferings, right, like I have my own sufferings, whether it's like, you know, chronic health issues, you know trying to raise a family, you know like whatever it is right, like no one's life is easy, right. But then I can try to compare it with this kid. That's completely different. But at the same time, this kid has his own sufferings but also his own blessings, because through their own or own sufferings at least for myself, it's through a lot of my sufferings where I get these awarenesses and kind of like these, like these awakenings and these awarenesses that happen because of it, and I feel like so it's almost like, and I'm gonna say God, I know people don't like that, we're about me, he's got like. It's like this thing of like where you get to see these aspects of that oneness and this kid is seeing that oneness too, right.
Speaker 2:So then I was having this thought of like oh, so that means, if I came, if I, let's say I went to Africa and I came across this kid, do I not help him because he's living this trajectory, that's helping him have these awarenesses through these sufferings and through whatever life he's experiencing? But then this thing of like, no, but by me helping him, that's how God sees God, that's how life gets to meet itself. Does that make sense? And then it kind of like when Jesus says you know, when I was, whatever thirsty, did you give me something to drink, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I kind of feel like yeah, like it's it's God meeting God constantly, like even when we're speaking. It's that. It's like yeah, I'm talking to Leo, I'm talking to Simone, I'm talking to Christina, but it's actually just life talking to itself you know what I mean, and then I wonder okay, but then what's?
Speaker 2:maybe it is that the purpose of it. It's like, it's almost like this consciousness that's trying to know about itself. It's it's exploring itself experiencing yourself with different.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, I didn't mean the way I look at it. Oftentimes they show you know how there is. I think it's the aspen trees, or that they are more like a underneath underneath the ground.
Speaker 1:They're all connected, so they are a colony of them yeah and and or like mushrooms, you know there is a lot of. There is a lot of plant life that grows as a connected at the roots, through the ground. The movie avatar shows that too through there you know kind of thing. And I love that in the most because, even though on the surface looks like we're all separated, underneath it all we are very connected and through that connection you can have one of the trees, one of the mushrooms and then it's not doing as good as everyone else. Maybe they're nurtured more by the Sun, but maybe they're in the bad position and don't get enough Sun or enough nutrients or whatever. But it's still part of the whole thing. Each one is experiencing their own life separately, but doesn't mean that they are. We're connected underneath at all. You said it well that it's like you know you, it's God meeting God, and that's really very good.
Speaker 1:The other thing that people don't probably think about is the fact that the universe, everything that comprises the universe, responds to consciousness, so even our, you know, quantum physics, the the way to manifest is to think that your consciousness, that the energy that comprises the quantum, is just waiting for a consciousness to tell them what to do and what to become.
Speaker 1:The quantum field is like a parent and loves to mimic and loves to become something, and so it has not as much control. Besides, whatever consciousness is actually in front of it, whatever is the strongest and whatever is actually manifesting, you know, whatever it's all. Whatever is the strongest in that regards us being united, being one and being the oneness, and God, speaking to God, it's part of is to understand that that consciousness, the more the consciousness evolves to something, to actually see where we go as we grow this consciousness and we become more united and we become more aware of how much we can do with it, you know in that sense. So if there is anything that we're here to do, perhaps, is that we're a little far from that, but eventually we'll get to the point where we're going to see an experience and be more aware of how much each of our consciousness that really connected, but they also how much we can interact with that, and I hope you know that's at least what they're showing right now.
Speaker 2:Do you think the way the world is going, like there's this thing like we were speaking before, before we started recording like about these groups of people wanting to get closer to nature and everything else oh, we're going for an hour, these people that are wanting to get closer to nature but there's also this opposite thing that's happening, where people are pushing more towards technology. So do you think things like that like everyone's talking about AI, like that's like such a hot term and stuff do you think that's going to take us further away from it? Or do you feel like there's no stopping it, because it is just what we are?
Speaker 4:You're saying, yeah, I think it will take us further. Oh well, because what it's doing is we're not. We're losing our connectivity to everything. We're relying on electronic devices to entertain us, to do the work for us, so we just sit around, do nothing. Our brains don't evolve, we don't think, we don't create things anymore. All the machines do everything for us, so we just do nothing.
Speaker 4:I think staying away from electronic devices and social media and everything like that enables us to communicate with other people and through that communication, through the relationships we have with each other, that's how we grow. That's how we learn to share feelings and learn from other people's experiences and learn from our own experiences, whether it's pain or laughter, everything else. Social media is just distracting us or taking us down a different road, and I don't know anything about past civilizations. When you talk about people, talk about Atlantis in the past. But if it's true and it's true what they said, that it was their technology that was their downfall, well then I can see us going in the same direction and the technology will be out with downfall. We're no longer learning to play with each other and have fun and live, love and laugh. It's more that we're playing with some inanimate object that has no feelings or emotions.
Speaker 2:I know what you're saying, but at the same time, I never post anything on Instagram. But I like going on Instagram because of the memes. Some of the memes are so funny that it makes me feel hope for humanity, because sometimes my Christina will send me something and I'll be dying laughing looking at it and it makes me feel like the fact that someone took the time to make this and it was just so perfect and so funny. It makes me feel like we're going to be alright.
Speaker 2:I don't know why I get like that, but I feel like we're going to be alright, because someone put it out there and obviously people are watching it. People are looking at it and they're passing it around.
Speaker 5:Well, there's a lot of things sometimes where you think that you're the only one that's thought of something like that, but there's a meme about it so clearly. Everyone there's more than just yourself. That thought, that thought.
Speaker 2:In a way I'm in agreement with you. I feel like it separated us in a lot of ways, but in a weird way, sometimes I feel closer to people. I didn't mean like there's somebody that I'll probably never meet, that made that and I feel like, yeah, I'll watch a video of someone saying something. I don't have TikTok, but, like Christina said to me, TikTok videos or something. Some of them are so funny and I'm like I don't even know this person, but I know we would be friends.
Speaker 4:I go through the same thing with Simone. She sends me a lot of TikToks and it's hysterical. I mean, sometimes she shows it to me and she's laughing so hard that she can't even hit the play button.
Speaker 2:She totally loses it.
Speaker 4:But I think what happens is there's a balance. You can spend an hour or two hours doing that and you're laughing hysterical and it's a good feeling. But when people do it for eight, 10 hours a day and their whole life just comes to a screeching halt, then it's a bad thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah of course.
Speaker 4:It's, I guess, a balance, because we also I can stay inside the house and whether it's on a computer watching TV or watching TikTok videos, and there's a certain amount of satisfaction from it. But when I go outside and I'm in touch with nature, my God, it is a completely different thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it is different.
Speaker 4:And a lot of I think a lot of young kids. Today they don't go out in nature. When we were growing up, we would go outside and play with our friends outside all day long. We would just come home at night to eat dinner and then we'd just run back out again.
Speaker 2:Just this neighborhood here, leo, it's full of kids, right Like it's full, and you never see them. Never, you don't see one kid here. But when it's time for the school bus, I'm like damn, there's a lot of kids in this neighborhood. But ESA is not friends with anybody.
Speaker 4:They're not socializing yeah, they don't come outside. They're not developing the social skills.
Speaker 2:I also found that it is different. Like ESA will come home and he'll go on this video game it's called Fortnite and he'll be with his friends and he'll do his homework as they're playing. What would you get for number nine? Yeah, all right. And they hang out, they talk, so it's almost like it's weird. It's like they're playing in a virtual playground. They're playing in a different way, so it's weird.
Speaker 2:So there's a part of me that wants to judge it, but also I'm just not a part of that generation and so I'm always wondering am I right about what I'm saying, or am I just becoming that older guy? That's always like it was better in my day and I'm always trying to find where is that balance? Because I find myself being like that a lot and I hear music that ESA will be singing and it'll be like to me it's completely stupid and I'm like rapping to sing Like I didn't rap. And then it will be like what did I listen to? Like NWA, like talking about, like killing cops or whatever it was, and I'm like, yeah, it wasn't that much better, like it was still, but it was just because it was a time when I was a kid, so you know, and then I. It was just that that was the time. So sometimes I feel like I've tried to watch myself before I judge what they're doing, because they're just in a part of their you know their environment of their time and my time passed in that sense.
Speaker 2:But I do agree with you, there's something different. Like sometimes I'll play with these, so like we'll play on the video games together and I'll just play with it for a little while and I feel weird. Like I feel like my mind gets weird, like I feel like I don't know, I just I don't feel well. It's almost feels like I can't focus or something. But then I go outside just for a little bit and everything changes. You know, I feel like everything feels calm, and I see it with Issa too. Like Issa, maybe he's dyslexic, he has ADD, whatever it is. But then when I take him into outside and to go hiking in the woods or something, he complains every single time, but after he's out there within within five minutes, it's a good. I love you, daddy.
Speaker 2:I love you, oh, did you see that frog? And then he becomes totally different.
Speaker 4:And think about what you just said. It stirs his emotions, it grounds him. Yeah, it grounds him, it brings him down to the present moment, and if we all believe in reincarnation, it would almost seem like it's kind of a joke that we get reincarnated to come down here and then spend our life playing video games. This is the video game. You know, life is the video game.
Speaker 4:You know, you feel like building relationships with people, whether it's painful or good. Life's lessons are learned from all the experiences we have communicating with other people. And you take that away, then we're just nothing but robots.
Speaker 2:I agree with you, but I also, I also have the feeling in the summer I would like to hear your take on it but I was thinking like, but what if that's just a part of it? Right, I think, like you know, like when something goes one way and then all of a sudden it goes the opposite, you know what I'm trying to say Like it's happened with me personally a lot in my life where I had this one way of thinking and then, like, at one point it's almost like I became the opposite, right, and then it's like I became the opposite way of thinking about that same topic or whatever it is. So what if it's like? As a species, you know, we were like I mean, think about like our ancestors, like and we don't even have to go back that far Just going back to like my grandma and grandpa, like poor is anything, that they had floors in their house, like they didn't even have flooring and you know, just living as close to the earth as you can be.
Speaker 2:And then you try to get, you try to evolve away from that, especially in modern times, right, but what if that's supposed to be? That now? Now we got to a generation where now they're always here, that maybe because of them, maybe them or the next generation where it's going to be like man, have you guys been outside? You got to go outside Like it's, you got to just put your feet on the ground and watch what happens, because it's going to be so foreign for them, that's going to be amazing for them. It'll it'll change. It'll totally change them.
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 2:That's just I don't know. Sometimes I think I'm like that, like, like whatever you call them hopeful, romantic, what's it called? Yeah? You know, what I mean. Like I'm always hoping for the for the best thing to happen. You know what I mean. So I don't know how much of it is really true of what I'm saying and how much is that Like I'm hoping that it's true because I would hate from to watch everything go to shit. You know what I mean, but I don't know.
Speaker 1:Well, you know, from my take at least, from what they're showing, is that what we're not taking into consideration is the fact that the brains of the children at least you know the past decade or so they're much different than our brains and also the environments that they're supposed to is much different. This earth right now is not a peaceful earth. It hasn't been for 10 years. It's very erotic, especially in the areas that are highly populated. It's I have a difficult time being near, being like, even in small towns. It affects me and it's the reasons why I always tended to go into a different, like looking world outside of myself. Because the world this world is very loud, is very harsh in colors and sensations, and the one way to get your brain and because the brain is actually of the children and I feel that their mind works in the same way is that, for all those people there, neurodivergence I think that's the name that they're using nowadays and it's why there's so many there resonating to that is that we pick up everything. We pick up everything that is going on, not just from everything, from everybody else, you from like a mile away from, even if people are thinking of you on the other side of the country, on the other side of the world, people that you know they're sending you text or you can, actually people can feel that and it's an offense and it's an attack to your own persona that you have really no defense from. The only escape is when you go into another world, and so we become. We tend to gravitate towards either playing games, reading books for hours or kind of submerging yourself, where you can actually shut down the brain and make it okay for that short period of time until you have to again go back into that world where you feel completely and often inundated by all the harshness that it's actually there.
Speaker 1:Now, this is a temporary thing that is happening to humanity because there, like you said, there is a transition to allow for the brains to function at a higher resolution, at a higher I don't want to say frequency. It's more like a more powerful you know where you can actually use a lot more. You're going to run into these kind of things because it's an adjustment. And so kids nowadays they're not as willing to be outside because they're actually just the environment of a school environment is harsh. It's very, very harsh.
Speaker 1:They need a break from all that, and the only break that they get is when they try to recreate an environment that is better suited for themselves. So the indoor becomes better than the outside. For that reason, and I think we tend to forget and yes, I can say my childhood I grew up in a certain way and I tried to give that to my own children. I think they weren't happy with that. But at the same time we're no longer in that world. That world no longer exists. We're in a different world. We kind of have to accept the fact that we have to make a job.
Speaker 2:We're model T's Leah yeah.
Speaker 1:We get accepted, fact that we have to make a job Running on four cylinders instead of eight. Yeah, so that's what I think it's, that's why that's happening and eventually. So I always see the world, the world that you were talking about, that where things are going to be better, is going to happen around 2300. So 2300 is when I see the world as being as peaceful and as more normal, adjusted with all the things that we are struggling with now. They're all ironed out. It's at that point and I do hope that I come back and reincarnate on that time, because I definitely want to get this, to experience that world. At that point You're done, you're coming right back.
Speaker 4:I'm done. You can stick a fork in me anytime You're coming right back. I'm done I know, I remember it like I think I'm an old soul. I've been doing this too many times.
Speaker 2:I'm done One day my friend, I did a reading, had a session with you before and he you probably don't remember he asked you because he told me later. He asked you about our relationship, like our friendship, and you said you guys, like we're friends, like you know, for a few lifetimes, whatever you said that you guys will cross again. I think you said like for like eight more lifetimes or something, and he was so happy about it and the whole time I was thinking Eight more times, yeah eight more times.
Speaker 2:I don't have time for this, but I remember because, like, he was so happy because we're going to do eight more lives. And then inside of like, like I'm smiling, but inside of like no.
Speaker 4:What's wrong with being friends on the other side of eternity? Exactly yeah.
Speaker 2:And the truth is is I do love it here, like I do man. It's amazing Like even the feeling, like every feel, like man, like it even feels good to breathe, like like there's things that I really, really enjoy about being alive you know what I mean, and I don't know.
Speaker 4:Here's my take on that. I had my own kind of like lessons from angels At least I like to think it was them teaching me all these things. And for us to be to have wisdom, we have to come here through many, many reincarnations to develop that big, large encyclopedia of knowledge and wisdom. So if you come back, if you're here today as a person who has money and you know, you have a job and you have your health, you know that's one aspect of your reincarnation Next time you could be that other person you were talking about earlier, halfway around the world and you're malnutricious, you have, you're living outside your port, your skinny. Then another time you're going to come back as the opposite sex, experienced life and that it could be a good life. It could be one that you are abused.
Speaker 4:You have to come back at least I think you do a different way every time to experience life in a different, from a different angle, from a different point of view. That's how you grow. That's how you I don't know become the souls that we were destined to become. I know you mentioned the word earlier about evolving and that may not be true and that, and I'm not sure if I'm making any sense, but I don't believe you're gonna come back the same person or the type of person every single time it was then. You're just stagnant. You're right. You're not learning, you're not growing, you're not doing anything, you're just reliving the same thing. What's the point that at?
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 4:But if you come back, a different sex, a different ethnic background, one life you're poor. One life you're wealthy. One life you're sick. One life you're rich. One life you're this. One life you're that. It's through a series of accumulation of experiences and different types of life that make us who we are. You know, christina is your sister in this lifetime. Next lifetime she could be your brother. Next lifetime she could be your husband.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean when he was a kid he used to always say I used to be your dad. You're my dad now, but I used to be your dad.
Speaker 4:He used to always tell me that I was your dad before daddy, and a lot of people talk about that that you have a soul group and every time you come back, the soul group comes back, but everyone plays a different role. Yeah, that makes sense too, because you're experiencing you're a soul group from a different point of view.
Speaker 2:So I have a question that brings up a question for me. So like, so I'm gonna go back to Simone, when you were talking about, like the alpines or the mushrooms, right, that it's all one but individual. And then you were saying like, okay, you're coming back and you're learning all these different things, right, but that's saying that there's this individual energetic that keeps coming back, right, this sense of self, right, but always connected to that one. And then you said it's our destiny, like, it's like this whatever your destiny is, is there a need for destiny if we're always constantly, we're always going back to the one?
Speaker 1:I don't think so. I don't think there is a not necessarily a destiny. You also have to think in consideration that we have the ability to split like we are, our consciousness or soul, if you want to call.
Speaker 1:It's not really a soul, so consciousness is split and living multiple lives of months, it's not a destiny. We have a purpose for a lifetime. There are main purposes, there are sub purposes. There is usually a larger umbrella which comprises all the people that you're involved with throughout your lifetime, or the multiple lifetimes to achieve that main purpose. But underneath that umbrella of the main purpose then there is minor purposes. It's, you know, it's not as, it's not as important as a destination, or just enjoying, you know, just doing it, just.
Speaker 1:I think sometimes we concern ourselves too much to give reason and to justify the reasons why we're here, to justify the suffering that otherwise we go through, and I think people need that just so that they can masticate, they can tolerate better what they're experiencing instead of, well, not really, nothing is really ever true. Whatever we're experiencing is because we are accepting this truth, and the moment you accept a different truth, you're going to experience something different. So what are you gonna? What are you gonna say then? You know, and I much rather be open to the fact that I want to see what else is there. I want to see more.
Speaker 1:So I don't want to limit my life by thinking that I need to have a purpose, I need to have a destination, I need to have a reason for me to be here and much rather, if I'm here, whatever the reason is, I want to. I want to see it all. I want to not know it all, but I want to experience as much as I possibly can, and I don't want the limitation of, like gravity, the fear that people have often time of dying, the fact that we believe in death. We actually believe in death. Think about that, because we all die. We believe in death. Right? Can you really consciously tell yourself that you don't die if you already know that you're going to die? If you believe in you injuring yourself, if you believe in illness, if you believe in all that, can you actually tell your mind that you don't die? And that alone, those knowledges, those belief systems that are anchoring into this world, it's what's preventing us, or our conscious self, from the ability to perceive something else outside of that. And that's what's so?
Speaker 2:what do you think is the process to undo that? You know what I mean. Like I understand, like wounds and things like that. Like there's many modalities like therapy, whatever it is to like work through that, but to change like beliefs sometimes is very, very difficult, right?
Speaker 1:We can't change the belief about gravity because we experience that we can't go on top of a roof and jump off and think that we're not gonna get.
Speaker 2:But yeah, but yeah. There's been people in history that have done that right, Right, so it's possible.
Speaker 1:It is possible through manipulation of matter, and through manipulation of our consciousness is what changes matter. There is people who have been able to pass through walls. I think the. I don't remember necessarily which civilization was capable of doing that, but there are people who are capable of doing that, I think Tibetan monks. They what their training is specifically to bypass these beliefs. They're ingrained because this is our reality, is what we know. I haven't found a way to get around that, but what I know that gets me closer is the fact that I'm open to any truth.
Speaker 1:I don't take any truth as the only absolute truth. I lead it open to see something else, and that's usually been the one way that I've been able to get you know, experience things beyond what otherwise would be the norm. So I think, more than people focusing so much into trying to understand it, make yourself available and open into experiencing something very different, that it's outside of what you think you know.
Speaker 2:So by you saying like, like, by having a goal is kind of missing the point, because by having a goal you already put a bound you on it.
Speaker 1:You're defining it yeah. And if you're defining it, it's the same as putting blinders. You know, and you put in limitations and you're no longer allowing the beauty of what, if you know, to show up in your life.
Speaker 2:Because I enjoy like.
Speaker 2:I enjoyed when you say, when you talk about like it doesn't like, like it's kind of just for fun, it's like play.
Speaker 2:And then you also said about like the destiny thing You're like it's more just like you're here having this experience, because I like, when I think about my own stuff, when I'm just caught up in playing and I'm just having fun you know, everyone has that experience right. When you're especially when we're younger, you're having fun and when you're having fun, the craziest things happen right and they create like the memories that we remember them with your friends when we're older, like you'll remember that time, but it's because we got caught up in that. So when you say that that's the way I'm feeling, it's just like you know. I'm not even trying to link it to being like being in the now or whatever, even though it kind of is in a way like yeah, in a way it is. But I feel like, because we already link that like being in the now with certain already type of schools of thought, it's already limiting, it's kind of like the word God right when you say God it limits, everything right so yeah it's nice, I like that.
Speaker 1:We worry too much about the finding. That's the one thing that I find the most resistance in people. There's so much fear if we don't have a definition of something, if it's not explained scientifically, proof or labeled in a very specific way, and all of that says is fear. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And fear of the unknown, and I grant it there's, you know it can uncertainty is, it's a huge thing, and I guess it's easier for me because I guess I'm never alone. It's not even about not being alone, because I don't feel that that's the issue, but I think it's because there is this connection to what is on the other side, and so for me there's always a certainty, and I've been there and I think, without that, for us, for people who haven't had near death experiences, have this, it immediately creates a limitation of like, I'm limited to this, like, oh, this is all I know, and I know that everybody around me has died, I've seen people die, I hear about people dying, and I think that concepts of death and dying, for those who have not had some kind of a glimpse of the other side, I think it's what's preventing them from experiencing more, because then they need to have that, they need to create more certainty around themselves.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, my cat recently died and so every night for like a certain amount of nights I would do like like chanting and prayers for him to, like you know, be free, I guess. And then what was interesting is just the other yesterday it came to me that it said, when you were doing that, you weren't free in Nutella. Nutella was already free, you were free in yourself from Nutella, and I don't know it was. It was interesting because, like, until I that information came, I felt it, but before I felt like I was doing something like I'm helping my friend you know assistance.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, exactly, but like no, it was already. Okay, it was, it was, it was all me like it's all here.
Speaker 4:Thank you, you like to do something, but you didn't know any better.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I didn't know any better, yeah.
Speaker 1:That's what it is. I mean that's it's a beautiful place on the other. I mean it's beautiful because it's beautiful for us, because we're experiencing so much harsh, harshness in this reality. But that's why we're here, because otherwise, on the other side, all there is is that beautifulness. But how are you?
Speaker 1:You know, we can't know the light without the darkness, and you were saying something before about that. I don't remember what you're referring to and I was like, oh yes, the, the awareness of a child who is suffering hunger, and you know, through world countries, and that kind of thing, it's always been a source, object for myself, to I, you know it's. I wish I could help everybody, but it's not the case. You know you can't, but at the same time, then there, the awareness of that is allowing us for us to separate, to then, you know, create the separation. And as much as we want to talk about one, this world is about separation as well. Not separation, the separation that we're doing to each other, but the separation of yeah, you're here to experience cold and hot and hunger, and you know, and plant-efulness, and you know all kinds of things. Yeah.
Speaker 1:The one place that you probably won't find anywhere else. It's hardly ever. You know even altitude. You know I don't like how to do, I don't like to be up on top, but you know I wouldn't know what that is unless I was here. We wouldn't know of that difference. You don't experience that when you go on the other side.
Speaker 2:you know yeah, because I wonder, like, even like, like, you know, a spirit or whatever type of energetic that never experienced being in a body you know, not even just a human body, like, even like as a squirrel. Yeah, I wonder what they like. I'm sure there's a lot out there, but like, wow, I would love to be. I would love to know what that feels like. To feel like what it feels like to be hungry and then eat something you know. Or to feel what it feels like to have sex, or you know what I mean. Like these very earthly feelings you know, like that you probably don't have it other places you know, maybe there are, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Not in the intensity as there are here even just eating like ice cream, something sweet, like.
Speaker 1:Sometimes I get to experience being another being and I can feel and hear them saying oh, I miss eating. You know something because I haven't been back in Earth, you know, for a long time. Or like they. You know they experience the world and like they from there, the way they're built and the way they're created. They're so different that they don't get to. And occasionally they tell me you guys are so lucky you don't realize how lucky you have it when you're here. And yes, there is some, a lot of stimulation. It's why we get so overwhelmed, because it's a normally stimulating world. It's not like this. Everywhere I have a good question to ask.
Speaker 4:Do you know?
Speaker 4:Now, we're all humans and we're having the human experience and we all know what it means to be happy and sad, and you know all the other human emotions that we have, whether it's anger, frustration, joy, bliss, whatever and this happened more than once where I had, I think actually I think it was during meditations where I went into this other state of consciousness and I actually felt an emotion that I can honestly say. I never experienced this state of emotions. It's like it's not even human. It's like this is like this is something you know, maybe another species on another planet experiences, I don't know, but this is. I don't know what this is, but this is something different. What was that? It's like I'm putting you on the spot. I'm putting them on the spot.
Speaker 1:The world that you're talking about at least what I'm feeling from the being that's the being that came through it almost feels like there is. They have a world of water or at least a fluid-like type of beings, and there is a almost like a vacuum type of planet, or it is definitely a being from another planet, and it just feels like that they can glide through things. I think you asked me about this before because they're making me feel. You know you've asked about this before, but there is a sense of so the closest thing that I can reference to is probably how, like a fish are mermaid, but it also feels very gelatinous. You know, either it's their body's gelatinous or the substance that they're moving through. It's a weird planet. It's a very weird. Probably I think it may be just because either there is a gravitational mass or gravity is stronger. That may just be stronger, and so it feels very different there because of that.
Speaker 4:And that's an ascentian being.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So how did they cross paths?
Speaker 1:Well, when you meditate, if you can, you know, like when people try to do us a travel, you can also. Through meditation, your consciousness can leave your body.
Speaker 2:Alright, it's like something Leo did on purpose. You kind of just like boom.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you just go and as you go up in the way you go through, you start breaking through different dimensions. But dimensions are also through time and space. Time and space is the same freaking thing. So when you go through time, you also go through space. Again, it's magnetic field that can do that. It's like you're going, it's in a loop and whatever. Now they don't want to explain that too much, but you start breaking through both time and space and dimension and you can meet other beings. I've done that too occasionally.
Speaker 1:It's kind of spooky because you're just here being speaking a different language you never heard and you know I did that once and it's freaked me out. Did it. Yeah, and I came right back I understand there was a voice, you know a very loud voice over here that said something, wasn't threatening or anything, but I was like what the hell? I was meditating? Came right back in.
Speaker 2:You know, I keep on laughing because, like when you were saying like experience in, like food, and you feel like the spirit being like I haven't had this in a while, I was thinking like I'm sorry, I keep on thinking like it's nighttime and like you start going like this to Leo and Leo's, like you know, he thinks like something's happening, he's like it's Frank. Anyway.
Speaker 1:That's funny. No, that hasn't happened yet we haven't. All right, Should we? Should we close?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I guess my two hours would be like is there anything before we close, if they feel like there's something that they wanted to share, that that we didn't ask, or like a closing statement. Yeah or closing statement, and also my second part of that question would be like is this something that you yourself enjoy doing and do want to do more of it, and if it's something that they want to keep on doing, I absolutely enjoyed and they would love it.
Speaker 1:They've been actually waiting for this because they know that they can share information. You know, as long as, not as long as, but you know, with questions, would love to have people you know, and this is a direct invite for people to ask questions and give ground to answers. Yeah, if there is, let me see if there is. I feel like we've given already a lot as it is, and also there was a lot of energetic downloads into this discussion, especially about, you know, to help other people also kind of move shift through. So more than this, but what they're saying now, because they're already embedded a lot of information in there and I think that's enough.
Speaker 1:All right cool, unless you guys have something to say. You had to.
Speaker 2:No, I don't think I was going to say, I mean, we don't have to record it because I didn't want to really man the whole time, like I don't really see a lot, but like you can stop it for me.
Speaker 1:No, it's like people may want to hear that I like I don't see a lot of things.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean, but I'll see lights, like I'll just see, yeah, and usually I see it when I'm working with a patient and I feel like they say something that I feel that's important, like the or or. I'll see it over their body where it's like okay, I got to focus on that or something like that, and usually it's always a blue light or a green light. But, man, like the whole time I was seeing white lights over you, leo, the whole time, even to a point where, like, I don't even see auras but I can see. I still see it like this thing over you, but at one point it was going like this, like it was clear, it wasn't like colored, but it was like this.
Speaker 4:I don't know what was happening, but the first hour of this and I was glad you were talking and asking.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so you weren't talking. I am so sorry, I was like I'm going like this.
Speaker 4:I'm like dizzy, I can't, I can't even follow the conversation.
Speaker 2:I put magic mushrooms in the sausage.
Speaker 4:I'm going to have it done. Give me the recipe. I don't know what was happening with me and that's why I was saying was that on the first half, when, that when, when, when you were channeling, because I was really messed up, I, I couldn't function, I couldn't think, I couldn't even form a sentence. I feel like Joe Biden Now I know what it's like to be him. I was like excuse my language. I was fucked up. For a while I was like okay, leo, you're all right, the energy is, something is going on, maybe it's the food, I don't know. But I am just going to sit here and, please, God, let just Paul just take it away, because, like, if you look at me, I'm going to go. I don't know what happened.
Speaker 2:If Joe Biden's on the news later tonight and he's like, I don't know how to explain it, but I was at this dinner with these people.
Speaker 1:I will be, they will be. Show me that, you know. I think, if anything, they're trying to get you to have more confidence in yourself because you have. You know you have beautiful beings and tons of wisdom, but that's your choice always to do stuff. What I found that was interesting is that your lights kept flickering back and forth not the same when you have many around here and they kept moving, you know when things were being said and it just flickered and it was pretty cool, but lots of, also lots, of lights around everybody.
Speaker 1:you know you had Archangel Michael on your side all the time. It was very cool.
Speaker 2:That's so funny that you said that because when I was chatting that thing with, they were saying about Natala that's what they said. Archangel Michael is with you all the time. That's exact words and they said and Archangel Rafael is within you all the time.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I don't know, it was interesting to you and you know I was wondering, and obviously I'm not saying something bad about you. I wonder, like is it hard because because you have someone that's very talented in this realm, that's your wife, right? So it kind of be tough because you kind of like the kind of like how I was talking about with the cooking, right? Like I'm like sorry, guys, if it didn't come out good, because I never need to do it because my wife is great at it, so I just place it on her. But then when I do it, I really enjoyed doing it, like I was like I really liked it, I really enjoyed doing it. But I just don't get myself. And then I was thinking like why don't I cook for Leila? Like Leila would enjoy to have the Palanta, or you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:And then I was thinking like what if someone asked you a question Because I felt something was going on with you? That's all I know. I don't know what it was.
Speaker 4:I've been told a lot of things. I was told that and I think Simone actually reiterated that too Is that I have the ability to hold a lot of energy in my body, and one of my friends told me says because you're able to hold the energy for guys or angels to come in and you can hold a space for everybody, sort of like the heat. You use the analogy of like I'm like a big broadcast antenna that I can broadcast energy or I don't know. And I've been told many times that, like I'm a great healer and I know that when I work on people my hands get red, hot and but I unlike like Simone or maybe yourself, I don't know what's going on. I don't, I don't get the guidance, like, oh, this is what's wrong with this person. I just know that I can work on people and they like my godly, that was amazing. And I'm like really, because to me, all I did was put my hands on you.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 4:I don't even know what's going on. I don't have any. I can't communicate.
Speaker 2:I think all healers are different, right, because I always wanted that. But I realized I'm not that type of healer At least I don't think I am Because I noticed most people that come to me and when they come back, it was never something that I did that healed them. It was always something that I said and it's always something that I don't never remember, but I it's almost like I said something that just they clicked and then they start getting better and I noticed that for myself. I know my voice is really important, like I know it. That is my voice and it's funny because I've died with issues. I think I always have issues in this area, right, like I always have sore throat, I always like, but I also know this is the thing. So I wonder, like maybe you don't need to know, maybe you just need to do it and you see anything now, because I'm getting dizzy again.
Speaker 4:No, yeah.
Speaker 2:I did when. When you said about the big antenna, I saw again all these lights flash around, so I'm getting dizzy all over again.
Speaker 1:So so the interesting thing is that, yes, you are meant to speak to people and that's the changes supposed to come, and you're meant to channel, like I've told you many times, and to let go of. You know, you're how, how convenient sometimes we have. We hear things about ourselves that we hold on to because it's conveniently fits what we prefer, we feel safe to hide behind, and you've been hiding behind that antenna and I don't feel anything and I don't know what's going on for a long time. And you have an opportunity or at least you, whenever you're ready, you can let go of that and maybe embrace and have the reality that you wish to have and to be the healer that you wish to have, without judging that as being a negative. So what? You don't know what's going on Do you have to know?
Speaker 4:Because if you have to know that, it's because of you only in the sense that I feel some kind of direction or or I'm able to monitor what's going on, but what if you don't need that? Then how do I know? It's not in my head or my ego saying oh, you're good, you could do this, you could do this but your ego heal and not know what the hell I'm doing.
Speaker 1:But your ego is driving you to question yourself that way. Because you don't have that certainty, as I was saying earlier, and because without that certainty, you don't feel confident in yourself that you actually already are doing what you're supposed to do. And because you question yourself, you close yourself off to what you could be doing. And it's like like anything, if we don't take the first step and trusting without knowing, we have to trust, like the blind leap of faith, that you know what. I'm just going to do it because I trust what I know about myself. And once you take that step, then they'll show you the next step. But if you're not willing to take that leap of faith, they can't show you the next step. That you have to take that up and then the next leap of faith is one leap of faith after the next leap of faith, that's all it is. You want to grow your ability or you want to really embody who you're going to become? One leap of faith you're about to take one.
Speaker 2:I know, simone, I agree with what you're saying. But where I feel Leo's pain is that I understand that I've taken those leaps of faith before in life, right, whether it was to move to Italy, move back from Italy, go to acupuncture school, go approach Leila. Like I think there was things where it's like I don't know what I'm doing, but I know I'm supposed to do it. But then there's some times where it's like you don't even know what that leap of faith is Like. It's just like I know I'm supposed to take a leap but I don't even know where you know what I mean and like I don't know what that leap is supposed to be.
Speaker 2:And you're sitting there and then you have this feeling like it's almost like a not an anxious feeling, but you feel it, like you feel life is telling you again like okay, it's time for the next place. And you're sitting there and you're like, okay, all right, and cause usually it comes with a feeling right and you just do it. But sometimes I know like at least for me in these past few years it's like and maybe it was just that it's the bubbling up, like it's coming. You're approaching, you know in the end of Joins, where he steps and there's nothing there, and you know it's like that, it's you know appreciate the trust that you're not gonna fall.
Speaker 2:I feel like, well, maybe it's just I didn't make it up to that cliff yet, but I was just walking up to it and I know I'm gonna walk up to it.
Speaker 3:But the whole time I'm like, well, where is it, where is it?
Speaker 2:So I don't know.
Speaker 4:And then when you do make, that leap of faith, you know, you say to yourself well, is that what I'm supposed to do, or is that what I want to do? And I'm talking myself into thinking. You know, that's my leap of faith.
Speaker 2:Well, you know, what I found, at least for myself, is that I don't think there's a difference. I don't think there's a huge difference because if I sit there and I say like, like, for instance, tomorrow I gotta go and have this hard conversation with my boss, right, and I can say why am I stuck on this opinion of what I'm gonna do? Is it my ego, or is it because that's what I'm supposed to do? Like I feel deeply in my soul, like inside, that's what I'm supposed to do. You know how? I know it's the right thing Is because when I sit there and I just close my eyes and feel where it's coming from, it's not coming from my head, and I know the difference.
Speaker 2:Like I practice enough things to feel where I feel things in my body. That's one thing I know I'm pretty good at, and every time I check with myself and I don't, I always feel it's in here. So I know I'm gonna do it, but I just don't know what the hell that's gonna bring. You know what I mean. And it's different because up until now, anytime those decisions came, I was alone, right, because after I got married with Leila, those things kind of stopped and it's like, okay, now I found this comfortable comfortability.
Speaker 2:Comfort zone yeah comfort zone, like I started raising a family. You know I'm doing this stuff, but now it's like now I'm gonna have to take this another leap, but now it's like I'm taking a leap and I support a family.
Speaker 2:And that brings me a lot of fear, but it's like well, I gotta do it anyway. I gotta do it anyway. You know what I mean. Because what's also that I feel and I'm talking to myself to kind of relate to you, not to talk about myself is that feeling of going back to the kid in Africa. What was I gonna say about that? Is that, like my life, the design of my life is different. Like again saying, like what I was, that's right, cause I was using that kid as like I don't have the same sufferings as this kid, but I do have sufferings, they're just different, right.
Speaker 2:And I guess, like we say what's worse and everything else, it's all subjective, right, but at the same time they're my own. But I can look. If I look at the trajectory of my life, it always is that it always ends up working out right, and I feel like it always works out every time. I follow that feeling and that's all I'm going on. You know what I mean. But if I end up asking you for some money, can I count on you? No, it's not a joke, but so I guess like. And then I guess like this you can't, you're way too friends, but no, so I guess that's kind of where you're at too. You know what I mean.
Speaker 4:Yeah, there was an experience that I went through and that kind of stopped me from my tracks and I know Simone's gift and I know it's real and I know it's amazing. Everybody loves her and if anything, I'd rather spend all my energy, you know, supporting her in every way, not that.
Speaker 4:I'm not saying I'm not looking to pursue what you guys were talking about earlier. You know about that. I have gifts and whatever. I'm still open to that. But a few years ago and I already moved out here to PA and I had two meetup groups. One of them was about angels in healing and I actually channeled a couple of times and I'm more, I guess, something similar to how she does it. I don't hear the voices. What I did get was like information and I would just repeat it, and the information came in like in a sentence or maybe a small paragraph, I know we just blurred it out and then another one and I just kept doing it that way. So I decided to go all out and I said, okay, I'm gonna hook up a set of schedule. Are you familiar with Reena's Rocks? Was it Reena's Rocks? Reena, Reena?
Speaker 2:Oh, Reena's Rocks in.
Speaker 4:Worship. Yeah, yeah, and I'm gonna channel the angels. I said I'm gonna go all out.
Speaker 2:Oh, you're gonna do it, I was gonna do it, oh, okay, large.
Speaker 4:What was that? I thought we would just talk about that leap of faith. And here I am, in Indiana Jones, you know, and I'm gonna step out trusting that they're gonna hold me and I'm not gonna make an idiot of myself in front of everybody. Did you do it? I did, but I failed miserably. So when I do that, I get very psychic in a sense. And there were there had to be about 40, 50 people. Oh, about 40? Oh, you were there. Simone, no, you weren't there.
Speaker 1:Oh, I think I was All right.
Speaker 2:So were there other people, or was it just like they came out to see you?
Speaker 4:They came out to see me and I'm sitting there and everyone's facing me and I get stage fright. But I pushed myself through it and I started to get information and then I can feel this person judging me and I can hear people maybe 20, 30 feet because the store is long and narrow, so not everybody was like this and it was just like rows and rows and people sitting back there. I can hear their thoughts. Some people were tuning me out. They just started talking to each other like I was boring and I kept going in and out, in and out, in and out, and at the end I was like, wow, I really messed up. I'm probably a joke in everybody's eyes because I didn't really do anything special and I don't think yeah, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 2:But that was the first time.
Speaker 4:But I just gave up and it says you know what she's the real thing, Let her do it. Let me just step down or step aside.
Speaker 2:I mean, but like any, I feel like it's also a skill right. So I also feel like you listen to any comedian or any musician or anybody talk about their craft. They all got boot off stage. You know what I mean and, in fact, go on YouTube and type my name in. There's two videos of me on YouTube and I've talked several times. I talked to Circle Miracles many times. I've talked to them many times. My worst two talks are the only ones on freaking YouTube. You know what I mean. So, and I asked them to take it down and they said yeah, and they never did and they're still up there.
Speaker 4:I mean, I guess they're up there for a reason, but but what really got me wasn't so much that you know on the surface, you know, or okay, leo, you're a failure, or you know you're. You know you're pretending to be a channel, or whatever. It was the felt, the way I felt of being portrayed.
Speaker 4:And the angels, like you know, like come on, guys, you couldn't force your way in, you couldn't just like Leo, just step aside and we'll just do, we'll help you, we'll take control, or you know, don't worry about it, we got your back, kind of thing. So I felt betrayed and abandoned and that sense has. You know, it was hard for me to let go of that and I said I don't ever want to put myself in that position again, you know. So that's why I just never did it.
Speaker 2:I think we got to put you in that position again.
Speaker 4:I don't know if I will.
Speaker 1:You know what's the hardest leap of faith as much as you know which goes against what you guys were saying it's actually changing your perception. It's not about going with the feeling. If you're going with the feeling, you're already following your intuition, so you're not necessarily changing your perception. Changing your perception and your meaning that you have to change your thoughts and your way of thinking, the way you perceive a reality. If a reality is perceived in a way that it creates a convenient environment, so that I don't have to feel challenged in my limitation and what I perceive, my limitations are and I'll never have to change. That is the one thing, the main thing that stops most people into taking the leap of faith.
Speaker 1:The hardest leap of faith, it's change how you feel about yourself and about your mistakes, your faults, your you know that's for everybody. That's the biggest struggle. It's not blindly making a decision because we are I'm gonna just, you know dive into this thing without even knowing what's gonna happen. It's doing something against everything you believed about yourself all along. It's to try and something in a different way for once, instead of repeating the same story over and over and over again Whenever a situation similar appears in front of you over and over again, because the only thing you're doing you're recreating the sameness that you're trying to evade yourself from, to escape from. That is the biggest and hardest leap of faith. And until we're willing to make that leap of faith and dare ourselves to do something against all the fears that we feel, all the inadequacy that we feel about ourselves, and then we'll just create the same, we'll just stay exactly where we're at. That's the leap of faith. That's the hardest thing to do for most. Can I smack you later?
Speaker 4:I'm sure you will. Yes, you will. Thank you, ma'am.
Speaker 3:As long as it's not Frank. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1:So and you know, even for me actually I don't think that I don't have any doubts. I have doubts about myself all the time, Like I do. I paint, I create many things, but I leave them there because I'm my worst critic and I tend to analyze and over and analyze and think about it and question myself and not really give myself any credit when it comes down to painting, because because I don't have any as a feedback. You know, similar to you as a channeler, you got a negative feedback, Although I think that a lot of what you felt and perceived where you're were more from your subconscious fears that the actual reality of the place. But the one thing that I know and that I remind myself of is that anytime I did something without worrying about what it was or what it was meant for, where I was just having fun, I created the best stuff that I've ever done and it's like it never fails, Just like go. Whatever you're thinking, doing it because you're having fun, because you have to try, because you're experimenting, because you are who cares.
Speaker 1:It doesn't have to be for anybody's pleasure as to be for your own and that's usually the best way, because then you get to see and perceive a different world and even a different version of yourself, and especially you get to be in a place where you get to see yourself through the eyes of someone else's. If you are going in front of people, you're doing something and you perceive a negative feedback is most often because you're already going there with a negative feedback about yourself. You're already engaging other people with that uncertainty of fear and every time that I've engaged people with uncertainty of fear, all that gotten back is uncertainty of fear. So they mirror those, those that energetic frequency immediately and I immediately snap out of it.
Speaker 1:I know already that I just came through, that I've already just been there, be goofy and do something whatever, start whichever way, and even if I make a missteps, it's okay because it doesn't matter. It's not about my mistakes and it's about having fun and engaging. It's not easy. We all have them. You get there, all right. Anything you guys want to add to it.
Speaker 2:No, I think I'm good Anything to say. That was wonderful. She like would you listen to it?
Speaker 5:Yes, I would, because it's stuff that's interesting to me. I thought that was wonderful, all right.
Speaker 2:I'm just interested to hear Simone's voice, if it picked up well on the mic.
Speaker 1:I hope so too, so we're going to say goodbye to everybody. So this was Simone Mananti, and oh, Paolo Prapato. Oh, Christina Prapato.
Speaker 4:Leo Di Stefano.
Speaker 1:And we invite everybody to send in questions and to stay tuned for the next podcast. Take care Bye.