Flowing With Spirit
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Flowing With Spirit
A Discourse on Perception, Enlightenment, and Reincarnation
Are we capable of seeing life purely, free of all lenses? And what is the role of ego in this pursuit of truth? This episode dives right into these captivating questions, engaging in a dialogue about perception, enlightenment, and the intriguing dynamics of manifestation. We examine how our past experiences shape our capacity to attract what we truly desire and scrutinize the importance of comprehending how past experiences form our present and future.
The conversations in this episode are not just constrained to the earth. We expand our horizons to include reincarnation, the feasibility of experiencing life on other planets, and the idea of a purpose that transcends multiple lifetimes. Our discussions shed light on life paths, the concept of free will, and the idea of scripted lives. We also touch upon the fascinating concept of past, present, and future selves interacting through dreams. Our discourse takes a deep dive into the complexities of relationships and self-identity, the dynamics of manifestation, and the profound impact of ancestral healing and cellular communication.
We conclude the episode by addressing some compelling questions on the existence of dark energies in the afterlife and their potential implications for our quest for self-discovery and inner peace. We open up about our experiences with non-human emotions during meditation, powerful spiritual experiences, the journeys of our consciousness and the physical manifestations of stubbornness. Join us, along with our insightful guests, on this enlightening journey of discovery and exploration.
To all listeners, we welcome questions and or input, feel free to send us any inquiry about topics of your interest.
So you were saying, as we grow up, we start to look at life through a different lens. Right.
Speaker 1:And my question was do you guys think it's possible to eventually drop all lenses and just see truth for what it is? Because I don't know. Like I feel like as I grew and older, I've dropped a lot of things, right, I've dropped a lot of conditionings, I've dropped a lot of things, but I still don't know what I don't know right. And I do find the mind to be a tricky thing, like you think that you've, and just even saying that is also showing me that I don't have it right, the fact that I feel like, okay, well, I've attained something, but what is it that I have attained? And what I'm wondering is can I let go of all of it? That I can just see life purely as it truly is? That's my. That's for me, I feel like, is the goal, because if I'm looking at life without any lenses, then I'm seeing God right, whatever we think. You know. When I say God, I'm hoping you know like a Jesus figure.
Speaker 1:Where Not a Jesus figure, the all, like all of it. You know, and I know, as a physical being, perhaps it's impossible to truly grasp all of it, but I'm just wondering if I can really reach that place where I can draw, I can truly drop all of it, all my ancestral conditions, all my social conditions, all my physical conditions, like all of the conditions that make me who I think that I am. Can I drop it to, to perceive all of it?
Speaker 3:And then I can pick it up again.
Speaker 1:Right, because there are moments where you feel like that feeling of ecstasy and then you go back to work and you go back to your daily things and then you know what I mean. But can we, can we reach that place? And to even say place, I already know I'm far from it, because I don't believe it's a place or a state, it's just it's more.
Speaker 4:I would think it's more of a state than a place. It's a state of mind. But I think my take on that is when we look at life through a lens, I think that lens can also be described as the ego. So, depending on what aspect of the ego is shining through, that's how we see life and it's going to be judgment. There's going to be thought, a thought process around the situation that we're observing.
Speaker 4:To be in a place like you are staying, like in a state where you're just a full acceptance is is the absence of all ego. But I think and I don't know what I'm talking about, but I think that while we're still having the human experience, there's always going to be some aspect of the ego, Because we always, how many times in life, oh, now I understand, and then a year later, and no, I don't. I thought I did. I thought I understood because I was able to overlook something and see past what was happening. But then I need to see past what this observation of, what that other observation was. And then, when you see that, then there's going to be another place of observation about seeing how I was here looking at this, looking at that, and I don't know if that ever ends or if that goes on to infinity, or how far it goes, because we always think we?
Speaker 4:how many people will say oh, I reach, I'm enlightened. I don't think you really understand what enlightenment is, and I don't think I understand it either. But to be totally enlightened is to understand everything, about everything. And I don't think as humans, we can never get to that place, because we're having an experience in this third dimension, which has, at least like I don't like.
Speaker 1:I think of a person like a monk or something that's not not into if you're, if you're in like a monastery, where you don't have to engage the ego all the time. Right, probably maybe there's more of a possibility to be how you're saying, in a state like that. Perhaps I don't know, but in a world that we're living in, where we're constantly engaging in the world, we have families, we have jobs, you know communities and friends and you were constantly engaging through our ego. Because if not like a way I look at it is like if I didn't have my ego, I would be like a little toddler that would just run in the middle of the street when there's a car coming.
Speaker 4:They don't know, totally carefree.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they don't know. So I understand that. But at the same time doesn't Jesus say you enter the kingdom, you got to come in like a baby. So do we go back into this state? I can feel you got an answer to this or something.
Speaker 3:the same, I'm just giving you guys time, whatever.
Speaker 1:So that's why I figure. So I don't look at the ego as an enemy. You know, I know in a lot of spiritual circles, like people talk about, oh, it's ego. I don't look at it as an enemy. I look at it as something to be worked with because it's helping guide me through the world, but it's also a knowing that it's not what I am.
Speaker 4:I believe the ego. The ego is not a bad thing. It's not necessarily a good thing either, but it's. It's a necessary part of our being, because it will challenge us, it would make us make mistakes, it will make us do stupid things not all the time, but in doing so we learned from it. And if the ego wasn't challenging us constantly in every aspect of our life, we wouldn't be learning anything. The ego is like a sort of like you know, do this or do that, or how about this or how about that. If you didn't have the ego, you would wake up in the morning and do what we yourself. You have no other thought other than why, I don't know, just survive.
Speaker 5:I also think about what Anthony D'Amello says. He says don't fret about enlightenment because we're on the path there. So I take that as like we're going to be in the enlightenment in our afterlife. So don't like you know what I mean, don't fret about it now we're all on the path, the same path to that place.
Speaker 1:Did he say that? He said it that you'll be in enlightenment in the afterlife.
Speaker 5:He didn't say the afterlife, but I take it as we will get there eventually, because we're all going to enter into that afterlife where we're going to feel what, that feeling I think that you want to feel.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying I want to feel anything. To me it's not about feels.
Speaker 4:It's about feelings, it's about truth and I think, while we're here, incarnated in this life, this is the classroom and the fact that we're in the classroom, we're still learning.
Speaker 5:And even those people that maybe are living in truth, like you say, those monks or whatever. Do you think they live in that constantly? No, I don't think so, but you just want to feel like a glimpse of it.
Speaker 1:No, I don't know how to verbally say what I want to say Let me help you.
Speaker 3:I think this will help you and help whoever's listening to you. You want to think of it as anything that you do in life, like if you decide to be a carpenter. That's what you like to do, leo, and perhaps you like to cook and you realize that you're much better cooked than you thought, given room that you can do that and I'm not sure about your, christina, but there's something that we always drawn to. Let's take carpentry for a good example. Anything artistic, depending upon you know, when you're talking about whether or not you can see the reality of what really is there without the impediment of the lenses that condition your emotions and how you feel about your perception is also the same way that you decide how far you take your specialty in anything that you're doing for fun or for creativity. So, if you're a painter, if you're a carpenter, if you're a musician, if you're a chef, if you're a cook and whatever, when do you decide what the size? More than when is what the size? When it's enough, how much? You know it's going to be you. You're going to decide that At some point you're going to figure, you're going to try it all or you'll try up to a certain point and you want to figure that in order to be a really a carpenter that specializes into recreating antiques and time period, you know pieces. It requires too much time and effort and it's not for you, and so you go back to whatever you feel comfortable. If you're learning to, you know you want to become a great cook and you experiment with different type of cuisines and you realize that certain ones are not for you, they're too much, requires too much effort, and you just stop at some point and you stay there for as long as you're comfortable being there and when you feel or you decide, or it's part of your life path, because that has a lot to do with what we get rid of, you know of those lenses how many of them then you, at the right time, you'll be either ready to go on to the next step or so on and so forth.
Speaker 3:It's not about trying to figure out what is the right. How much of that is right for me, based on because I'm chasing something that I don't even know what it is. You know, because I want to arrive to a point. There's no arrival. You can go as far as you want to go and some of the things are more like when you really have arrived.
Speaker 3:You get, you understand concepts like where you don't look at whether or not you don't look at that. You need a sense of self-worth or a sense of self-acceptance or self-love. Those concepts no longer are even meaningful to you. You're beyond that. When you reach that point, you've actually unified with all that there is and you know and you can, and it can take whatever long time it wants.
Speaker 3:If that's where you want to go, that's where that will take you to this understanding that all those things were necessary to get you to this point. But once you're there and you pass them, you can look back and say you know what? I actually don't need them anymore. I don't even need to identify myself with any of those things, but they're necessary to get there. Same as if you're a carpenter, it's necessary for you to learn certain things along the way techniques and modalities, just so you can get there. That's at least the easiest way.
Speaker 3:And if you even want to think of like a kindergarten teacher this is the other part that I think in the beginning we may have missed, because the audio, which I was the audio person, did not work very well, think of a kindergarten teacher and the difference between one that you know is just started and one that's had 20 years of experience, the kindergarten teacher, or any elementary teacher, will have the 20 years. You know, the one that has 20 years of experience, the, her experience is not only based on her capability him or her, you know, he or she not based on their capabilities, but mostly whether or not their awareness of all the challenges and beautiful happenings that the children bring to their plate and whether or not they're allowing themselves to grow with the children and understand and learn, or if they decide to stay where they need to stay, where they're comfortable staying, which oftentimes that creates stasis and it's not always the best teacher. For the children, life is the same thing. You're not just you yourself. You are inviting, and if you are, if you are to invite the people around you and if you are to invite what you can learn from everything around yourself, then you can. You know, it's like getting spiced to your life, you know, and you can look at it from a different way, and that's at least how I look at it and that's usually always helps me.
Speaker 3:In regards to the ego, ego is your inner child's voice, nothing more than that, is the subconscious voice, which is the inner child, and we have labeled the ego, because it was pretty much a bit of a warg and I you know towards the ego, but it really isn't. It's the temperament. So the characteristics of your inner child, which are part of your subconscious, which are often disregarded, put aside, ignore because we don't want to see it. Those are the parts of ourselves where we keep in the dark because we felt not accepted or we felt that it didn't fit into whoever, or because of the feedback of the world outside of ourselves. That's what the ego is. So it's not to do war to ego. This actually needs to be integrated with the rest of us and to love, to be loved and appreciate and understood. So the majority of people, if they're going after the ego to want it to get rid of your try, as if you're trying to get rid of parts of yourself that you have been attacking since you've been disregarded them.
Speaker 1:So, going off of what you just said, you're talking about the inner child, the subconscious mind. It makes me think of things like therapy and all these different modalities that we have to use to start to do that, to integrate our subconscious mind.
Speaker 1:And look at ourselves in a more deeper way. But I also think about how much time is wasted, or could it be wasted of? Just sometimes we get too much into that, but now it becomes like a big psychological game and I feel it's beautiful. It's done great things for me to cultivate myself and look at myself and do all types of work. Even now I'm doing, like that, parts work which I find very interesting, and I find it very interesting, but I also feel like it's a work that has no end. You could just keep on going and keep on going and keep on going if you want to, and I realize that perhaps it can become meaningless. After not meaningless, it starts to suck your time.
Speaker 3:It's tiresome. Yeah, it's tiresome, but that's when you decide that you call a quits, just like you would come up with a carpenter.
Speaker 1:When you were speaking, mind me of. I remember a talk of Eckhart Tolle speaking about a cat and he was like you know, that cat that's old and it's just laying there and it looks at the mouse and doesn't even care to run after it anymore. It's like it's done being a cat Because it's probably not going to come back as a cat, and I was thinking about that. But when I'm talking about this thing, I'm not talking about enlightenment, I'm talking about that. You know, when you hear the Sufis and they talk about this longing, this longing for God or longing, I don't know how to explain it.
Speaker 1:To reconnect or to yeah, it's like this thing Like this, thing that you know is in you and outside of you. It's everything. But there's this part of you that's not. It just can't quite get there, and I don't even know if that's just made up bullshit in my own mind.
Speaker 4:But it does miss.
Speaker 3:But it's like this feeling like.
Speaker 1:I constantly have this feeling like I'm longing and there's nothing that I feel that can feel that void and sometimes it does In prayer it can, but like nothing. Like my wife, my son, my Like you know, they're the closest things to me. But even with them, and feeling complete in those aspects of my life, there's this thing like, but I know there's something more, and it's not an intellectual thing, like there's more out there, I know it. It's not like that. It's like this feeling inside of my heart that I feel like there's something that I'm longing for. And the only time I can feel I can connect with someone that understands that is when I read, like Sufi poetry or something of that, usually in the Sufi roms and the Christian mystics a lot of the times as well. So at least it makes me feel like, okay, I'm not bullshitting myself. There is people that are feeling these feelings. It's sort of like you want to return home.
Speaker 1:Exactly yes.
Speaker 4:But we don't have that memory of where home is.
Speaker 4:Where home is or what it is, but that's part of our being, that we know we came here, but we didn't originate here. We originated someplace else and as someplace else it could be, you know what we were talking about earlier, as a place of peace and no judgment and you just exist in a state of I mean, I can't put a word to it because it's not peace, it's not necessarily bliss, it's just a place where all the aspects of what we know to be life doesn't want you. There's nothing to do. You don't have to worry about eating, you don't have to worry about going to work, you don't have to worry about family members, everybody's okay, everyone's happy. You just exist in this place that doesn't have any physical demands or needs. You just there. It's often, like I said, I think having the human experience is trying. We can't describe something while being in another dimension and trying to explain what it's like up here, because we were using the words and the experiences that we learned from here to describe something that's not here.
Speaker 1:Right, and I guess it will be trying to describe like trying to tell an angel what an olive tastes like.
Speaker 3:How do you?
Speaker 1:describe it to them. It tastes like this. It tastes like how to describe that.
Speaker 4:It's like trying to explain geometry to a dog. The dog's brain is not wired to comprehend what it is capable of. It's only capable of comprehending what it knows, and when you're trying to take it to another level, it's just like you know, they just look at you, that tilt their head because they don't understand you.
Speaker 1:So here we are trying to describe.
Speaker 4:I was listening to you with my head tilt, so here we are, tilting. I would have tried to describe something that we can't describe, because words can't describe it.
Speaker 1:But there's a difference between that and the dog. The difference is the dog. Unless you sat there and started talking to geometry, the dog will sit there and be like what the hell is this guy saying, right? So for us, we all I believe we all have that feeling that I was describing, or I would say a good part of the human population has that feeling.
Speaker 5:I mean.
Speaker 1:I think, in my opinion, it gave birth to many religions, many practices, many you know. So there is something the dog will never care about geometry but I think, no matter what, I think people will always care about that spirit inside of ourselves.
Speaker 4:And I think, and I think that's the two parts that we try to put together and you can't. You can't understand something and feel something at the same time, like what you'll describe at least I think you know, maybe I'm. I hope I'm like what you want to feel what it feels like to be connected to something, but it's a feeling because you can't. Our brains are not wired to comprehend something outside of this dimension.
Speaker 1:It's not about again, it's not about a feeling.
Speaker 3:Like I'm going to say, something.
Speaker 1:not to talk dirty or whatever, just to me, like you know, when you have sex right, as guys we think about it right, and then you get it and you know it's the first thing you think about. It's not sex. Like you don't care anymore, right, at least for that little bit to the hormones, come back, get over or whatever, but for that little bit it's like that desire was filled and in that it's just like this rest. There's this peace. You understand what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 3:Yes, I do. So what I'm, you know some of the experiences, the most major experiences that I had that are indescribable is was especially the two times that I had a very brief meeting with what we call God. Now, I don't define God like you. You're called, you know, the same way as you do. It's indescriptive to me. It's not attached to any religion, it's not just a God, it's just a energy being to me and whoever you know, whatever anybody wants to call it, that's perfectly fine as well.
Speaker 3:But the meeting of that and having and being in the presence of that I think some people call it the zero point, or, you know, in the presence of God, and some people have gone into that experience it's very indescribable because the feeling, the way that it makes you feel, is like nothing else and it's it makes you long for being at home. You know I want to be back home. I felt the same with my near and test experience and also the few times that, a few times, if I go, and you know, through the mediumship and communicate with somebody in heaven and connect to that realm and I can see it, and just often time I take journeys there, I get the same sensations and it's just a feeling of my God. I'm home and I can't wait to go back there. And after the near-death experience, it was really traumatic to be here and having this experience there and I, for the longest time, I had this feeling like I wanted to go home and I can't wait not because I'm wishing to be dead, it just like it's it can't wait to be back there.
Speaker 3:For you, what they're showing when you were talking is that when you were a child, you had an experience because I'm showing you were about. You were maybe six, six or seven years old, unless it's no, it's not. How old was I when I?
Speaker 3:died. Oh, so you had a near-death experience. Yeah, I don't remember it, but I got, I jumped on like a 5, 6,.
Speaker 1:And my God Father shook me upside down and came out, but like they like.
Speaker 3:they said I wasn't breathing no longer Because they were they were saying you had, you know, you had an experience around between the ages. You looked to be about six, you looked just like Issa used to look, you know, when he was about that age a small child or whatever but that that the seed of that sensation, of that feeling, that wanting, was planted at that point, but it was also because it's part of your life. Path is the, you know, like last time we were talking about the care or the seed, it's both. For you, it's that, that umph, that is supposed to lead you towards down a path that it has up, you know, all along and it will continue getting you where you're supposed to go.
Speaker 3:So, for a lot of people that have these, any mystic, anyone that you know, feels, wants to find out the question of what else. You know, what is there after life? You know what else? Is there something else? Is there? Was there more to life than this? Or you know the question why are we here and where are we coming from, and all that it's. I think it's a little bit of human nature, but it's also very much to help us not getting stuck in a complacent place, because otherwise we would be. We're creature of habits as human being and we would easily get complacent into just being existing without really going a little bit further. So many of us have these experiences, but for you, there's definitely that experience is the cause of that. So you're constantly searching for that feeling and it is the God presence. You know pretty much our home, that's where we're coming from, so we're looking for that.
Speaker 1:But at the same time, just that feeling of wanting to go home also especially now as I get older, it makes me also appreciate being here. You know, like now, like when I eat, like even when I was joking around with the multidale I don't know if we were recording that before but like eating multidale, like eating, like simple things are eating not honestly.
Speaker 1:I can just stand by when I eat your breakfast I'm not even like a big, like you know God that's in the food, but like eating. Or when I wake up in the morning and I look at the sun, like the morning light, and I look at Leila, and I feel like such a deep gratitude because I know even if there is reincarnation and I come back, it's not going to be like this Right. And then I'm not saying I don't have my own sufferings and everything else, but I am grateful for like I do. I have a deep gratitude for like everything. And again I have my own issues, but I'm also grateful for those because they keep me kind of moving, like how you were talking about like it kind of comes up, and that's part of the classroom is to deal with your issues, to heal from it, to learn from it, to experience it, to move past it.
Speaker 1:You know, when you say that, when you say the classroom keeps coming to my mind, I keep seeing it is our aunt when she was close to passing away. It was one day that she was sitting down and she was holding my hand and my other aunt's hand and she was saying what was she saying? Deve cambiar, deve cambiar. Remember she was saying you need to change, you need to change. So my other aunt in Medea was saying you need to change, you want to change your clothes, you want to change your clothes. I'm like, yeah, I think she's saying Right.
Speaker 1:And then she kept on saying dovete cambiare. She kept saying that like you need to change, you need to change. So she kept going on about changing your clothes, my other aunt, so finally, my cousin you guys know Frankie, right, frankie, that's his mind. I have a cousin named Frankie, and then Frankie, he got kind of angry. He's like listen to what my mom is saying.
Speaker 1:And then she got up and she starts walking, so Medea's on one side and Melea on the other side and we're holding her hand and she walks. And she walks or goes into the kitchen, walks, you know, around, like it kind of makes like a circle. And then she goes back into the room where the fireplace is, and above the fireplace it was like all the you know, all our relatives that passed away, like her brother, a picture of her brother, my grandparents, they were all there and she goes in front of me and she goes to sit down and somebody ran and got the chair and put it behind her and she goes and she sits down. She says sonarivat hara skol. She said I arrived at school.
Speaker 2:And she's just. You don't remember that. I never heard that story. You weren't there.
Speaker 5:No, I wasn't there for it, yeah.
Speaker 1:And then everyone was like, oh, she's like hallucinating, she thinks she's at school. But I didn't feel like that one bit, you know. And they were still face out, they were still obsessing, and she wanted to change her clothes. But yes, but she said that like I arrived at school and like graduation. Yeah, maybe I don't know, I don't know, but I'll never forget that. So when you said that, that's what, yeah, like I saw, I see that image of my aunt like looking at like all our dead relatives saying that.
Speaker 4:You know, it's interesting when people have a near death experience. Sometimes they witness their entire life in a split second and it's almost as if you're judging your own self, how you lived your life and what happened to you, how you treated others, how other people treated you, how you responded to it and how you didn't respond and everything, and it kind of. It kind of make. It kind of sounds, at least to me, that you're judging yourself and like I wish I didn't do that, I wish I could have done something different, as if you're already making plans to come back because you needed to fix all those particular things that you made those mistakes, errors or experiences that you wish you handled differently.
Speaker 4:You know, so it's. I wonder how much of that is our own doing too. You mean, how much is our own doing to come back, yeah, because when we do cross over, I think we're going to look at it and like, wow, that was a hell of a ride, you know. But we know it's temporary, we know it's not permanent, we know it's not who we really are.
Speaker 1:We tell ourselves now what we hear right, so we probably agree to do this If that experience happens and they show like our life, you know life in front of our eyes as a movie. Just sit there and be like, yeah, I forgive myself for all of it, I just say it. And it just like walk through the tunnel, man. Yeah, I don't know, man, I know it's.
Speaker 4:The way I look at it is the fact that we here either we need to be agreed to be here because we need to learn something, we need to fix maybe something from a previous life. We need to achieve a certain level of wisdom and you don't necessarily get all that wisdom in one lifetime. You may have to come five, 10, 20, 30 times.
Speaker 1:You believe that there's a conscious choice to be like okay, I'm going here, you know, because the way I kind of look at it is like if I get like a little maze or something, right, and I start to put like water into the maze, but depending on the tilt of the maze, the water is going to go in a particular way, right, Right. And sometimes I feel like it's like that, like I'm just like a splinter of how we talked about this. All God, whatever you want to call it, and I'm just a splinter of it. They're just manifesting because I just happened to be this and I don't know if I made this conscious decision Like I'm going to come, to come back and I'm going to come back through these parents and everything else. Or is it just like because of the way everything is resonated, like this energy, resonated with this energy, and that's where you go? There's no, there didn't need to be a decision like, yeah, that's what I'm doing. I don't know.
Speaker 1:But at the same time, I know when, a week before Leila Farnashi was pregnant with Issa, I kept dreaming about a little kid in the woods that just wouldn't shut up. He just like, this kid will just keep on talking, keep on talking. I would wake up and, like Leila, keep dreaming about that kid. And then Leila Farnashi was pregnant and I knew, I knew I'm like it's going to be a boy and it's going to be Issa's that kid for sure, like in the dream. The kid was like six, around six years old, and Issa's older now, but when Issa was that age, it was that kid from the dream for sure. So I don't know, was there a choice? I don't know.
Speaker 1:Do you have any information on that? Oh, no. I'm holding your mouth.
Speaker 3:Because Leo started talking One thing.
Speaker 4:I want to say. The analogy I come up with is this we all daydream. Right Now we may want a daydream about me owning a car I wouldn't have liked to have that car or me climbing a mountain, or me taking deep sea diving classes While we're awake. This would be the equivalent of being up here in heaven, wherever you want to call that. So it doesn't cost us anything to dream about something because we know it's not real. So we can dream of going camping and being eaten by a bear. Oh, yeah.
Speaker 4:I can't believe that crazy dream I had, and we may think about it and we dream about things that may hurt us, but we're willing to do it because we know it's not real.
Speaker 1:So I have a question Is it not real?
Speaker 4:The dream.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 4:I don't know, maybe that is real in this, wherever that dream exists. But once we're conscious of having the dream, we know that there's no harm in us.
Speaker 4:Okay yeah, in the dream we die, but we don't feel the pain necessarily. So now, when we're up here in heaven whatever we want to come down here to have this dream, because in a sense, it's a dream. We don't remember where we came from, we're not lucid enough to know why we came here, but this is the role that I'm playing. I'm married, I'm a male, 65 years old. This is my role right now and I agreed to play, to be part of this, to play this role, and then eventually I go back and, oh, that was a hell of a life that I lived. So I want to do it again, but this time I want things to be different and I want to experience this, whether it's good or bad, painful or blissful. I want to experience it because it'll make me grow.
Speaker 4:And while we're down here, oh yeah, the pain is too real. We are like you know, life sucks. I don't want to experience this anymore, like what the hell's going on? I want to go back again and then, when we go back, we laugh because this whole existence is in a split second. At least, I think that's the way it is. At least I would like for it to be that way. I don't know, maybe I'll make it, maybe I'd like just like to believe in this, but that's what I think is happening Now. We're gonna pass it on to a higher authority.
Speaker 3:No, I know it may sound like I mean, it sound like I speak with authority, but it's just. It's really what I believe for myself. Nobody else has to believe it, but this is what I know for me. It's easy to answer, in my view, is because if you just think of all the little children, especially up until they're like three, four years old, there's a lot of children that will say I chose you mommy, I chose you daddy, I chose my parents, and they have no idea what they're talking about. And yet they're saying things like that. Or the many children there's tons of stories of children who can recall their past lives and they know the names, who they were, where they lived, and I love reading those stories and I think it's fascinating.
Speaker 3:What I know about our past is that we do have a life path, that we get to choose. We sit around, even as a conscious person. I've done it many times, not many times, a couple times for myself, where I sat with the council, or at least the spirit guides wherever you wanna call them, it doesn't really matter just a group of beings and they caution me and it's like if you wanna make any changes, because I was certain I wanted to make some changes about where my life path was going, and I wanted to do it differently. In this sense, there is no going back if you're gonna make these changes, and so I did that.
Speaker 3:I've also done that for people, for clients and with their agreements and as long as it was, you know, with everybody's, even the guides. It's never anything that you do it on your own, but your life is not scripted entirely. The way they show it to me is that it's as if you have a line, there's your life path you can have, and you have these permanent red markers. They're like mile markers. Those are the things that will happen, whether you try to get there or you try to avoid them. They will happen, no matter what so?
Speaker 1:would you liken that to like? Almost like your astrology chart, Like there's certain things that are fixed.
Speaker 3:Yes, and they're gonna see those. They are along those lines, and then there is however you get to those points, there may be many different paths than where you exercise your free will, and there is much of that and there is many plans. Like, often time I'll look at a person's life path, where they're at and where they're going and based on how their decision making is evolved, meaning that if it's to touch from their emotional traumas, their emotional wounding, if they work on their shadow self which is the same thing it will show different path that they can take, but the points where they're gonna get to is gonna be the same. Unless you know, I can definitely say to someone okay, if you go this way, this is what's gonna happen, if you go that way, this is what's gonna happen, and if you want this, this is what you have to do. And if you want that, this is what you have to do, and it's I've seen it over and over and over again. Like even, for example, before I met Leo, it was about 10 years before I met him, if not maybe a little even more. Like even 10 to 12 years before I met him, I had a and we were talking about dreaming.
Speaker 3:So I'll go into the dreams to add an amazing lucid dream, as, if you know, I was there where I saw him from his back. I saw his from behind. I saw him, this bald person, and you know exactly how he looks. I didn't didn't let me see anything else. I had a. There was very quick vision woke me up immediately after it. They let me experience the love that I would be experiencing with this person and at the time I was married and I was like no way in hell. There's no way in hell. This is ever gonna happen, because I'll be married with the same person for the rest of my life. That's what I wanted to do and that's what's gonna happen.
Speaker 3:So, if it's, the life is not scripted, why not? Why getting, why having those type of experiences? I had a time that you can actually see, and even for the majority of my time I've dreamt little snippet of, or got even, you know, like visions of my life three years ahead. So I would dream in three years later, see, things will happen exactly how I've seen it. It's never anything major, you know. I mean, there's just little nonsense, but that's okay. So, in my opinion, yes, we do have, we have a scripted life to a certain degree. Not everything is part of that, and some things we can change and when we dream we have the capacity to I think I said it last time too I think the most fantastical one if anybody has ever, you know.
Speaker 3:Be curious to hear if you guys have had experiences like this, and I feel that you have. Christina, you've had an experience like this, like I had this many times. There was a period of time that was I would go to sleep and I would wake up and I would have to reorient on myself where I was, because I felt like I was remembering that I was just, but I was just ironing clothes at this house and I was about to stick my head out the window and call my family. I would call my family to come in and eat and it was a completely different kitchen and house and even person.
Speaker 1:The way that I was.
Speaker 3:And where I was looking around I had to say wait, what's going on? Where am I? You know it's like who am I? And that kind of thing. And it took me about five minutes to reorient myself and that would happen over and over again and the experiences in the other life were absolutely very crystal clear, very like even physical sensation of hot worms and that kind of thing Like feeling tired from having been there. And what I was shown was that and I guess there was something that I needed to retrieve from being, from connecting to the consciousness on myself, on a different life, a different parallel life or even a past life, because we can go into the past, our past life cells, and gather information of anything and whatever at that period of time, I needed to connect to that person.
Speaker 3:Sometimes we do that because they need us, so we can a past self of you from a past life, even thousands of years ago, with their consciousness. They can go ahead in time, so into the future, to connect with the future self. That has better understanding. Sometimes what we even conceive as our I am, our I am, presence, is actually consciousness of ourselves into the future, of our future lives that we already lived, because time is not linear, it's all around us and we can actually gather that information, understanding, and while we're sleeping. I think that's just fantastic.
Speaker 1:Simone, before you go on, can I ask you something? Yeah, not for so. Do you think that's like a practice you should try to cultivate, so you can do that at will, or is it better just to let it happen when it happens?
Speaker 3:I believe things are always better to let it happen, if it happens.
Speaker 3:Not everybody has is structure, energetically, physically, frequency wise, especially frequency wise.
Speaker 3:It's the one thing that you have to be careful, because here's the one thing Like, even as we are talking, I was quiet for a little bit because I wanted to clear there was some energies that were hanging around into the room and I wanted to get rid of them.
Speaker 3:If a person has fissure within their frequency or their energetic field and you go and you ask your consciousness to leave your body intentionally to go to other places, whether it's after travel or lucid dreaming or whatever names we give into all these things, it's you're actually allowing for. It's as if you're traveling through energy fields with a broken ship, if you have things attached on you already, if there is an entity that is bothering you already next to you, or if you have an accumulation of energy that is creating friction because of your own traumatic experiences wounding or whatever and then you try and do those kind of things that can actually make it so that your experience is not gonna be as crystal clear as you would like. So if you do it, yes, you can train yourself. Should you do it. Sure, I mean, if you're interested, if you feel drawn to do it, why not?
Speaker 1:But you know, I feel like what you just said. I feel like the conversation can go in many different directions.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 1:One going with like doing, like cultivating, that I remember Razor would always say, yeah, if you wanna do the techniques, do them, but you don't need to do any of that. You know he would always say that, so I'm not gonna go. I guess deeper into that, but I did wanna go into because Christina had. I asked her she had any questions that she would like to bring up tonight and she did and I'll let you bring it up in a second because you were talking about energies.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I also wanted to know what she thought about before we were asking, where we were talking about life path, decision making, even of a Diego, but even of stuff that we talked about last time, I wanted to know what you're and then we'll go back unless you wanna finish whatever we were talking about no, no, no. Yeah, anything that you have to say about what you heard, even up until now.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I don't really have any questions or anything about what we talked about.
Speaker 3:No, your opinion like opinion about past life or your life or like how do you feel about knowing is it okay for you to know that? I wanna know your input about knowing that your life is scripted, that you actually decided for certain things. Like the one thing that I get often time is that people say, well, what about if you experienced something really awful? And it's like, yes, unfortunately even those, we do get to choose them and I've had my fair share of things. So I'm not talking from lack of experiences. I'm actually talking from a lot of experiences and it's not fun while they're happening. But I wanna know from your point of view about knowing that your life is scripted. If you were to know that, if that were to be your truth, how do you feel about that?
Speaker 5:If I were to know, or how do I feel knowing that? It's scripted yeah yeah, oh man, I don't know. I guess my question is if it's scripted right. My question to you is because now the full buzz is about manifestation right, yes, yes, so nice. So my question is is that possible? And to change like, okay, let's say, in this lifetime I was I don't know like my life's already planned out right, like I'm gonna live like a mediocre life, like whatever? Can I like? Manifest something greater than that?
Speaker 3:You can, as long as it doesn't interfere specifically with what you had in mind. So what would happen would be that, for something like that, which is not a major life change, okay, it would be where, probably while you're sleeping, you're gonna have conversation. You're gonna wake up feeling like, oh my God, I feel like I've done so much work, like I'm super tired, right, and oftentimes when you wake up like a little discompobulated from a sleep, you probably have had meetings with your team of spiritual counselors and guides.
Speaker 3:Probably not like that most of the time and you never feel around. You know, and while we're doing these meetings, they tell us okay, this is your plan, you wanna go this way, you can, but this is what could happen, or you may have to give up on this or that and then help you make decisions. So, even if you were trying to manifest it, you could not manifest. Not that you cannot you would have to take that in consideration Doesn't mean that it cannot happen. It will, it can.
Speaker 3:And then the other thing is that what people don't understand in manifestation is that manifestation is yours or somebody else's consciousness being replicated by all there is around ourselves. So all the you know, all the energies, the you know the quantum fields, whatever you wanna call it. What it means is that all the particles of energy that are around us, seen and unseen, known and unknown, are on waiting for some consciousness to you know to be present. Now, what's the difference between my consciousness, your consciousness, or your Paolo or Leo's consciousness? It depends on who's the strongest, who has the most particles, the most energy or frequency. Which one is the loudest? It really is about the frequency. So the loudest frequency is the one that wins over whoever is manifesting.
Speaker 3:Now, into that equation. You have to take in consideration your subconsciousness. What you don't know is running all the you know all the dialogue that is running in the background that has been running since you were a child, that has been manifesting things for you 30, 40, 50 years ahead of you, and then you have to counteract onto all that manifestation before you even see something happening, which means that you have to do it religiously. It's why the monks or someone who prays prayers is effective, because people that believe into prayers or mantras or any form of dedication, it's the same way as manifesting. You are using your consciousness to do something over and over and over again, until the universe is fine. Fine, yes, this is the stronger consciousness I'm going to give you.
Speaker 3:This one Doesn't say it that way, but you know it's a conscious. The universe is a parent, or quantum field is a parent. It loves to mimic, but you are fighting against all the other things and we don't know what else we put out there all through this time. It's like you throw in a pep into a lake, but the lake is infinite and those ripples that you threw into the lake when you were five years old are still going and they're way ahead of everything that you throw into the lake in this moment. So what's going to manifest first? Right, the old stuff.
Speaker 5:So how can you like catch up to the old things, or?
Speaker 3:is there a?
Speaker 5:way to yeah.
Speaker 3:Your best thing is probably to focus on one thing at the time what is it that you want to bring to you? That is the worst. You know what is it that you want to that you want the most? You know what is it that try and focus on? Whether you want peace, happiness, joy is the same thing. Or you know a lot of people want things, so they want wealth and they want a job. And even if it was that, you do want to have one focus and then you can kind of out of, let's say, if you're looking for a job, right, if you want a better job that brings more money to you, that also requires the fact that you know, then it will bring you happiness and joy, if it does. Whatever.
Speaker 3:What has been interfering in your life all along? That's the next question you have to ask yourself what has been in the way all along that has prevented me from living the life that I would like to live? And instead of looking outside of yourself because a lot of people start doing that you have to start looking within. How do I feel about me?
Speaker 3:Do I feel confident? Do I feel I can hold a job even though I don't know anything? Do I feel I can, you know, do perform well, or would I be? Or do I feel like inferior to others all the time? Or do I feel like criticism is bothering me all the time, or do I feel, you know, I have a ton of fear, or I overthink, or, you know there's a ton of stuff, because all those things are in the way into manifesting what you want to be wanting. So, even though if there's something that you've always wanted that hasn't come to you yet, there's definitely something else in opposing force that has been working behind the scenes into creating a different not a different, but the actual truth of how you feel about yourself and that never fails. That is guaranteed.
Speaker 4:That analogy that you use, that you were a child and you threw the pebble and that pebble created ripples which you may not experience 20, 30 years in the future. Could it be ripples in that same lake from a previous life that we haven't resolved and we still catch up to those two, or we have to resolve those as we come along, as it comes along?
Speaker 3:No, I'm my belief and what I hear. I just ask, as you were, because I asked them to and they even show me. The lake is very still. There's nothing from the past that is interfering like from a past life, so it's a clean slate.
Speaker 4:It is.
Speaker 3:I yesterday was a yes or did day before. They gave me an understanding, because I hear a lot of talk about ancestral healing or things that were being passed down. What they were showing, more than ancestral healing, is that there is women, especially in women. When you give birth to a child, you keep cells of your child within yourself until you die. They stay with you and they're there all the time. That also means that your mother has your cells. So when you're born, you have your mother's cells within as much as you do, or you're connected to your mother, your mother's connected to her mother, and so on and so forth, and what they're saying is that the cell themselves of the child, that is, whether, depending upon what, even if it was a failed pregnancy or a tender or not that you still have these cells and they can communicate with you telepathically. That means that everything that the mother is experiencing can be passed energetically through telepathy into the child. It isn't necessarily from past life, but it is passed on in a way or communicated, because we are being that, we communicate energetically and we're all connected at one point or another. You know in some ways, and so that's that if you have a very strong connection which I think if there's a lot of markers like you're similar in frequency with your child which many parents have at least one child you can have that experience. Then you will be communicating that much, and oftentimes it's more from the women into their children than the men, not because the men can't do it and they also have that strong connection, but it is more from that.
Speaker 3:So, no, I don't feel that it passed life, unless it's really something that you need to, and I've said this last time too. But we're not dealing with anything from our past lives. Most of the time, 99% is everything that we got acquired during this lifetime and hardly ever from past. I think sometimes that a lot of people are putting focus on that, but in truth it's really just stuff that we're dealing with nowadays, is that it? Yeah, I thought that was pretty cool about how we telepathic communicate with our children even in that way. So imagine the strength of you know like when, for example, when both my children were born, my sense of self was not very good, like I didn't have confidence in myself. I didn't feel accepted. I had a huge problem with that, and it wasn't as much with my first child but with my second child. I do feel that with her my own reflection of myself where kind of created a bit of an energetic connection to that and kind of manifested into the child as well.
Speaker 1:I think that's what I've been working on for the past I think year or so with my mom.
Speaker 1:Because, and I didn't even know when Layla did like she went to do like a past life, when I was having that pain on my right side, like that gallbladder pain, and later did a past life, I said later, can you do a past life regression on it? And I didn't even go to a past life, I just so, I didn't see anything. But I felt like I was in this thing and I realized that I was in my mother's womb and then, and I could feel everything that she was feeling, I could everything she's eating, like everything. I could feel everything, like I felt everything and it didn't feel good. And I remember saying that it doesn't feel good and her thoughts, like she didn't feel healthy.
Speaker 1:And at one point I saw like this it looked like a light in my chest that came out of my chest and went into my mom and when that happened I just broke down crying because I felt as if I lost the most precious thing in the world. I don't even know what it was, but it felt like very something very precious. And then I saw these, these white beings, and these white beings actually brought me back into the body and and I just remember being very upset, saying that that my mom is wasting it. I gave her it and she's wasting it and I don't even know what it is, but all I know is it felt like it's the most important thing you can have. So Leila brought me to like one of my guides to talk and that my guide was laughing and saying like you're like 45 years old, like, and you're still fine, don't worry about it. Like you're okay.
Speaker 1:But what's interesting is like then talking to my mom. My mom had bad gallbladder pains when she was pregnant with me. In fact, after she gave birth to me, she had her gallbladder removed and I was born very sick. So it's interesting and it's interesting that my whole life like you know I was talking about like those heart palaces is always in the realm of health. I'm always preoccupied with looking at my job. You know what I mean. But I'm getting to a point where, like, I'm tired of it, I'm tired of thinking about health, I'm tired of talking about health.
Speaker 2:I just feel like I don't resonate with it anymore. Like I'm just kind of like.
Speaker 1:I do it because I know I'm good at serving people in that manner, but I don't feel like I care about it as much as I used to. I don't because I don't feel like it's mine and in fact I don't even think it's my mom's. I've always think, I always see my grandma, but anyway. So when you're saying that about being passed on and I'm not even a woman, but I feel like from my, from my mother, yeah, yeah, it's interesting, it's all very interesting and I want to also say because I, you know, sometimes I just talk, but because things are with certainty with me and I used to having these conversations.
Speaker 3:you know, with myself other people so much that I forget, but past lives or anything else outside of what I may say, you know, like I said, everything is true and nothing is, and everything is real and nothing is, because everything really serves a purpose for whoever needs it at that time. So if you need to come to some common understanding and the best way that you're going to accept that understanding is through working through a past life then absolutely you know, that will be presented to you in that way.
Speaker 3:So it's not true. You know, it doesn't necessarily mean that that scenario isn't true or validated or doesn't validate the past life. But in reality, if you're asking the reality of things from outside, and outside a really wide point of view, then I can tell you that often time they don't play a role into someone's difficulty, into what they're dealing with in their lifetime.
Speaker 1:No, no, I feel it yeah.
Speaker 3:But I want to, you know, for those, for people that are listening, I just, you know, to me it's anything is part of. If you need it, it will be there. So my truth is my truth. But you may need a different truth from someone else's and so you're going to resonate with someone else's and what they're saying and that's perfectly okay For you.
Speaker 3:You know, it's very interesting, like when, when my second child, I was very sick. I had morning sickness for like almost throughout the whole entire pregnancy and it was because of the goldbladder too. So I really had a difficult time. I did not like my pregnancy and I complained about it a lot, and I often feel at least after they gave me that information, I was like, oh, I wonder if that also. You know how we feel. That fetus within yourself feels all your emotions. You also, physiologically, you're releasing a ton of chemicals because of the emotions that you feel in. Those chemicals that you know are interpreted and they give certain feelings because of that. The way that you feel is also because you know when these things are being passed on with. There is this tie between the child and the parent.
Speaker 3:Whichever way it is, you've had to be a certain person because your mother hasn't wanted to be another type of person, the person she was supposed to be, and she hasn't shifted yet into that place.
Speaker 3:And oftentimes we hold on to those roles.
Speaker 3:You know, even for you, leo, and I'm sure you've probably, kristina, come across where you get tired of fitting into those roles, because that means that if, for as long as I have this job, I have to do all this for all these people and it is exhausting, you know. And when you try to get away from those roles, then people get upset with you because you change no longer that person, what's happening to you. And they are burdens, you know, because you may not necessarily yes, I was this person at one point, but doesn't mean that now I want to move here because I feel better here. But the people have been ordered for you to move here. You have to somehow. You know you may not be able to bring everybody with you in that same place and you may have to kind of distance yourself or put some boundaries or, you know, be okay that they may not necessarily interact with you the way you want to, because, but you're happier here. That sometimes, I think, is one of the most difficult things for people to do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3:Let go of the family so that they can have a happier life for themselves. And then they're called selfish or egotistical or, you know, you only think about yourself or whatever. Whatever being sad, it's very, it's hard, you know I do think that's the hardest part.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think the hardest thing is changing because of the people that you love around you, how they take it.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so if you eat a lot of, it and you live a life of just acceptance, then you're perfectly happy. Where you are Right, you don't have to achieve anything.
Speaker 5:Right, you're right, you're right, you don't have to. Because the ego is such a subtle thing, Right because I'm like you know I'm 41 years old, I've never been married and that's joke I can't tell you the last time I've been in a relationship. I don't have children. Everyone around me is like that and I'm like is it just because that's something that I grew up with and you see around you and everybody's doing, and do I really want that, or is it? You know what I mean. I don't know.
Speaker 3:I don't know. Would you be willing to look into that on a recorder or you want to do it outside of recording?
Speaker 5:Do you guys want to for the podcast? Of course, okay, yeah, we can open the podcast.
Speaker 3:All right.
Speaker 3:So the interesting thing you asked a question about manifestation and things that you're talking about that didn't come to you don't really fall under what you need to manifest, because not necessarily, because manifestation is more about, yes, you are in charge, but you're kind of asking something else to come to you, whereas you're more likely to prevent yourself from having those things come to you because of things that happened to you in the past. Your last relationship, or at least one that was important, they're showing that you had one around between the age of 27 and 30 or around that time. So there is something around that between 27 and 30 years old. There's also one that you had around 22 and there's a 17 year old and then they went to 12 and 13. So those are all the ages that we kind of have to go back in, and it starts really at 12 and 13.
Speaker 3:For you, the 22 was really, really important. Do you remember the name of the guy that you were seeing then, mike, mike? And do you remember the name of the guy that you saw around the age of?
Speaker 5:27 and 30? 27 and 30.
Speaker 3:Between that time, if it was 30, could it?
Speaker 5:be 32, 33?
Speaker 3:Or just give me the first name and I'll tell you which. There was a Mike. Okay, another Mike. What about the other one? That one?
Speaker 5:Was it Moonier?
Speaker 1:Was he older than you? I think Moonier would have been a little bit younger.
Speaker 3:Well, he feels, how old would he come around? Moonier, moonier, yeah.
Speaker 5:He came around when I was like 25. 25ish, yeah, okay.
Speaker 3:So he plays a little bit of a part too. But there's someone else's around. I do a clip in 33, 34. It's connecting to that age because you kind of stuck, that's where you're stuck. You're stuck between the age of 30 and 33, 34. When it comes down to relationship, you just have a mood from there. So whatever happened between you know, even 22, well, between 12 and 30. So, but we'll stick with Mike, but there was something. Anyway, all right.
Speaker 3:So they're also showing you say you're 41. So they're showing that you have a soft marker for when you're 43, for someone coming into your life, and then a much stronger, like a red marker which means it's definite for when you're 44, 45. Now, oftentimes these are general guidelines because it involves other people, so it doesn't necessarily mean, depending upon them, like he's the person who's supposed to come when you're about 44. He's dealing with a lot of stuff, so that could happen even all the way up until 47, you 47. So that's like a three-year span that he can come in at any time in between those three years, depending upon how quickly he goes, he could even just make changes quicker and he could come in when you're 42 or 41. Well, you're 41 now, but I don't feel he's very close. So it's you know that's what I mean by that. All right, so now I just want to look. I'm going to look at your energy field and see I was writing things down as they were showing on you, which are a figurative way, but it's like getting a mapping of what's going on within you that created this delaying for things to come to you. So, specifically, they're talking about a person that you will have a long-term relationship with.
Speaker 3:So the first thing that they pointed out is that your left hand and I'm seeing this more as a, you know, younger person, so probably it happened around the age between 12 and 17, and it's you're holding it behind yourself and there's also a cord into your index finger of the left hand. So that means that you've something happened to you that created that. You created like a promise that you made yourself. And oftentimes these are the promises that we take on our own. We make because of what we saw.
Speaker 3:You know what we perceive and what we experience, and there are sentences that we say to ourselves like, oh, I'll never do this ever again, I'll never let someone do this to me ever again. Or, you know, I'll never do what my sister did, or I'll never do what my mother did, and things like that. Right, and these are the promises that hold us back, because we don't realize that, even though it was made, in the moment it's actually we're kind of asking our inner child, which is our ego self, to hold that promise for ourselves. So they're putting they're putting all kinds of parameters in place to make sure that we don't, we don't run into that experience. So my question to you is do you remember thinking that when you were a younger child and if not, there was a guy that you liked or that you were involved when you were a teenager, wasn't there? 17, 18?, 17,?
Speaker 5:18? Well, yeah, it was 18 was the mic, the mic until 22.
Speaker 3:Okay, so that's when you met him, right, Okay?
Speaker 5:So you know he wasn't my first boyfriend, but yeah but he was an important one. He was the important one yeah.
Speaker 3:Okay, so it feels like that you really felt. You know they're showing that you really fell in love with him very in the beginning. You were very much, it was very, very tight and that you had this image.
Speaker 1:Sorry, I was just going to say put it on so then it doesn't hear all the clanking on the table. Yeah, sorry.
Speaker 3:And if what they're showing is that that you had this vision, you know a young version when young you. This is going to be the guy that I'm going to be married to, this is going to be the person I'm going to be with forever, and this is, and that could be, the promise, in a way, that is holding you in a bit in a sense. Who broke up in that relationship? I did Okay, and was there cheating involved, or was he?
Speaker 5:Not that I'm aware of. Okay, there was. He was into found out into drugs and stuff like that.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And which is in a form he couldn't cheat. It. It's a form of cheating because it's their interest is somewhere else, outside of you, right, like I'm not enough and you have to go for the drugs and that kind of thing. So it's a form of cheating as well. Okay, and can you think of, after having that experience with him, what kind of promise did yourself, did you make Like I'll never want?
Speaker 5:Oh man, that's such a long time ago.
Speaker 3:How do you feel about people who do drugs?
Speaker 5:Yeah, I don't have a date on anyone that does stuff.
Speaker 3:And so what? What does a person that could possibly do drugs look to you? What kind of things you would be, would you be looking out, you know, as as warning sign that this person could be doing stuff that I don't want?
Speaker 5:Like what kind of things they'd be doing. Well, things that he did. He never had a license, because he was always. When he did have a license, he'd get pulled over and they'd find stuff in his car, like all kinds of things. Can't hold a job, you know. You always had money, but I think he sold drugs as well.
Speaker 3:So Okay, perfect. So you also are the type of person who takes charge of things, right. You're not like if someone has to do something, if the job needs to be done, you're going to get it done. Okay, so your right foot foot also, they're showing is pointing inwardly, so it's pointing, instead of saying pointing forward is pointing towards your right foot. What that means is that in your decision making, there is a, a handicap that you feel that is interference with you moving forward. So, and that that string on your index finger is because oftentimes, when you start your relationship, when you go in in any relationship friendship you know, even with your family you immediately take the role of the one to take care of everything, that that takes care of responsibility, that jumps in to do the hard part, the difficult jobs, and that you are more likely to excuse someone of their weaknesses and of their difficulties if there is a good reason enough, right, okay. So in that case, that means that even though the type of person that I feel that you want, someone who is takes charge, someone that doesn't need direction, someone that is capable of taking care of themselves, that's financially secure, has a job and all that, like you said also, you cannot have someone like that if you're the take charge type of person, because that would be two people that go and kind of going against each other. You cannot ask the universe you're talking about manifestation. It says if you're asking the universe in order to protect myself, I need to continue being the one in charge, the one, the strong one, the one responsible one. But I also want you to bring me someone who can do that for me. And the universe is looking at you a little confused and say, well, which one is it? You can't have it. Both you either are asking for someone to be there, for you to be taken care of, because in, in the end, that's actually what you crave, and you crave it because you have this line across the waist. So it's interfering with your sacro chakra and it's cutting you in half a little bit. It's an interference, an energetic interference, and it means that what the way that you're in your child processed the assault of you know, of the way that that, in that I'm sorry that relationship went on, it made it so that you went more into. I'm just going to look out for someone like that and in order for me to look out, I can just be in charge of it all. I can just be the one that you know, and then they'll never get me, they're not going to treat me into being in this relationship again, right, does that make sense? There's also this bar of metal that goes from your crown chakra all the way down into your root chakra, and they haven't shown that what that means just yet. But that's okay, and we're going to do it a little quickly because I don't want to take too much time for the podcast as well.
Speaker 3:So I want you to think if you could ask for three things that you want the future person to have or to be for you, like the main top three, what would they be? Three top, main things, if he was to be the one, and how would you recognize him? If you were to kind of pinpoint to three things, what would they be? Probably emotionally mature, definitely be one, okay.
Speaker 3:So the few things that came up as you were thinking, because this is how powerful your thoughts and your emotion that you hold onto, like any one of us, is that I ask you a question not because I'm looking for you to give me the answers, but I'm looking to see where your subconscious goes, because that's where the problems are in the person and your subconscious at least most people's subconscious is very loud and it will say things you know. When I ask the questions, it's eager to answer. I want this and I want that the person may not necessarily know consciously because you haven't really thought about it. So the first thing that came up was that you want someone that is responsible, that has the knows how to take responsibility and stay true to that Trustworthy. You definitely want someone that is trustworthy, that is picks the truth the same way as you do.
Speaker 3:What did I write there? My God, I got my glasses. Loving and understanding and what I felt with that one. The way that you like to communicate love. Your love language is more with holding conversation. You want someone that engages with you in conversation, that you can have discussions, that you can explore each other, that you can have fun with and move about. What do you think stands in the way of you getting that in someone?
Speaker 5:Can you repeat that? Yeah, sorry, I didn't say it.
Speaker 3:What do you think? Why do you think hasn't come to you yet? I don't know, I feel like I don't know If you were to kind of think of what has, what's the biggest difficulty that you have with yourself, what is the one thing that you've been trying to work on yourself and you haven't been able to, or like the repetitive pattern that has been happening in your life?
Speaker 5:I feel like I lack a little bit of self-esteem and confidence. I try to work on those things a lot. Especially it was really bad when I was younger. I feel like I've gotten a little bit better at my older age.
Speaker 3:So what I heard you say was not being believed and heard. There it is. How do you, can you tell me of an example when you were younger or feeling like if you were, you weren't heard and believed. And it doesn't because it's right in the center of you, it doesn't. It seems like you felt that, often from family, and sometimes what that means. It also could be the fact that, like in big families, sometimes children they kind of fall off the wheel because there's too many people or there's louder people or big personalities, and the second child is often the one that is not seen and not heard and they just sit there and watch everybody and what they're doing, you know, type of thing, and so it could have been a scenario like that for you. So there's definitely a sense that it's almost as if you had to convince people of the reasons why you didn't want to be with them. And if it wasn't people, it doesn't mean that they did that, but you felt that way, you understand, or something similar to that, and that's what's in the crown chakra, and I think last time I said to you that you speak, you need to speak the truth, and you have a very strong. It's your parameters. It's what you're supposed to be doing and often time when there is that need and we don't feel heard or believed, it goes against. We try to sense of what we say and how we feel so that people can accept us, which is what you've been dealing since you were about three, four years old. So this started really early on. And in regards to a person, because of all the experiences even the second mic or the other guy I still feel like that.
Speaker 3:If there is one thing when you go into a relationship is that you feel like you have to work extra hard to get the reflection of, especially communication of the other person. So you may not necessarily feel confident enough to hear or to trust that the person really loves you, but they're saying it's really the truth of that, they really are going out of the way for you because they do love you. It's almost as if you questioned that a lot. That's what's been leading to that. So let me get rid of that one into your crown chakra and then, even though you may not necessarily see it, because we're doing it really fast, I don't want to go too much into details because of privacy and you know it just wouldn't be good for you. So I'm going to remove those two things that one, the line, the metal that goes down your crown chakra, and then the one at the waist, and if I'm not going to say anything, I'm just then afterwards going to cut it, but I'm going to remove that right now, if you're okay with that, and I hear yes. So in the meantime, I want you to think as if you have that you know, that string that I told you you have on your left hand. I want you to kind of, in your mind's eye, pretend as if you're removing it and you're choosing to let it go, and that you no longer need to protect yourself from someone else's not being truthful to you or not being responsible, and that you are welcoming a person into your life at any point in time.
Speaker 3:The thing that is missing from you is really this this deserving. The line of disruption that goes across your sacred chakra has to do with creativity. Most of the time, when there is disruption, there is to do with deserving whether or not we feel that we deserve something good in our life, and that's something that you don't have enough of. So what you can say, the two words that you can say that the most powerful is I deserve it and I am ready. So, just saying I am ready for this wonderful person, and you describe it whoever they are. You know how. I ask you describe three things. You really want to kind of sit there and kind of write down all the things you want this person to have, and then so I deserve it and I am ready. And you keep saying that over and over again and that will make it so that it will fix whatever else it needs to be fixed in the process.
Speaker 4:Okay, you went through. Whatever you went through just now, right Is like what I was saying earlier is like we're just experiencing things and we're learning, and we're learning to accept, to process, to grow. It's all good. It's all good, that's why we're here. You know it's not supposed to be peaches or roses, because that's what it's like out there, you know, and you always hear about. It's like how do you learn? You learn from pain. You don't learn from happiness, but you learn from pain, and it sucks, but that's the truth.
Speaker 4:So I'm still learning and I don't think I'll ever stop learning because, like we were saying earlier, just as I think I know enough, I have no clue. I don't know what I'm talking about. There is so much I need to know and you don't know. Like you said, if you don't know what you don't know, it never stops Very. How many people do you know that are completely blissful? I mean, there's some people that I know, like that actress, betty White. She seems like always happy, you know, and maybe I'm not saying she's enlightened, but she definitely is in a good place. She must have had great parents, didn't have a lot of trauma in her life, but she was always happy. She was in that, because she's like 90 something years old when she passed away.
Speaker 5:She always had a smile on her face. Yeah, she was 99. Wasn't she like a year off from being 100? She died right before turning 100.
Speaker 1:How can you not be happy on the set of Golden Girls? That's true, but I lost my dream. I agree, I lost my dream. I thought with it.
Speaker 5:Christina, you want to go with your question, my question, yeah, so my question was, I know, the last time we had talked about, like you know, when we pass, or the afterlife, it's peace, and you know, I've listened to a lot of NDE's and they all experience or talk about the same thing why are there, and if, after we pass and we experience this bliss or complete love, why are there energies that are so dark?
Speaker 3:What a good question, my goodness.
Speaker 4:Lord goes to her for the best question of the night.
Speaker 3:So for what? I was told about that? Because I clear a ton of energy, especially negative entities and things like that of all kinds, but not because I necessarily believe in them, but because there are people who do so. There are people who believe in, you know, the demonic or the would do, and they practice certain things, and their belief in that belief into entities that other people hold their dear and they experience it makes it so that I also experience it.
Speaker 3:So it's as if when you the way that they explained it to me was belief system works this way. It's as if you go to a different country without knowing the language and they have different way of eating. Let's say, some countries they eat bugs. You know, they eat all kinds of things that you may not necessarily be familiar to. That you only experience when you go in their country. It doesn't mean that they don't exist when you leave there. They exist for them and so they work for when you're around. That then you will experience that as well.
Speaker 3:So for negative energy, negative entities, that's usually the way that works, at least what I was told about that it's I wish there weren't and that we wouldn't have that kind of thing, but they do.
Speaker 3:And then there are certain because it's part of you know, because, if you think about it, consciousness creates certain things or anything that we believe, like horror stories, movies, horror films and that kind of belief. So, you know, anything that is created out there doesn't take much. It takes the congregation of people believing into something. It's enough to create a certain reality so interesting, and that's why we have sometimes as experiences of God or angels. Now, do they exist really or is it a fathom of you know, fathom of our imagination? That's probably a little bit of both, meaning that if we are oneness and we're part of God and we are God, then what we perceive as things, anything outside of ourselves, then it's part of our consciousness. So, therefore, something that we created, not necessarily true in a sense, but it is real and it is true because we created it, just like, you know, god has created everything, that kind of thing.
Speaker 5:So to take religion out of it, like, let's say, a serial killer, you know does harm, you know he did on this earth. When he passes, he still experiences the same thing. Oh, I had got all the religious stuff, so when someone that was evil on earth when they pass over, still experience the same thing.
Speaker 3:They do. I'm not using terms that are religious for because I believe in any religion, but just to give to define it so that it's the easiest way for me to get to the point. But yes, they are. Whatever they chose to now I do. I have seen where people have been completely overtaken by negative entities that have been with the person for so long that they actually are the one that run in the show and they're they're pretty bad as people. I mean there's a certain level of disconnect and deathness between themselves. They're no longer you're not longer really interacting with the soul person. There is that instance. And then there is the instance of people who have chosen to be the bad guy. Somebody has to play the role of the bad guy at times and you know we all have done that at one point and then on another. Does it mean that if you're a good guy in this version of this lifetime, but in one of your past life you were a bad guy, which which one are you? Are you good or you bad?
Speaker 1:So I've gone back to you were saying like horror movies and stuff like that, because it obviously with like media of TV and movies and all these things, is that helping by? You know, a lot of horror movies are very popular, right, it's popular in our culture, in our pop culture. So do you think that actually helps to create that type of I'm going off on a tangent, but the same when he was doing mushrooms he had this experience where it was, what do you say? It was like almost like things are being created as we imagine them, right, so it's almost like the, the thought through our science of saying like, oh, there's black holes and at the same time, black holes were actually being created. Like it's almost like.
Speaker 1:It's like it's like how you were talking about, like God and angels and all that. It's like it's real but it's not. It's the same thing. It's like it's real and it's not, and we keep making it as real as we want to make it real and we keep making it. We create, yeah, we keep creating it, and sometimes I think about, you know, films that are very negative, like apocalyptic movies and stuff like that. Like we're putting it into our consciousness for us to go that way, and then we're helping to make it real.
Speaker 3:No, there is, there's a lot of that. I do believe in that everything influences because, you know, consciousness is really a congregation of thoughts.
Speaker 3:That's what creates your consciousness so consciousness is a little bit different, but you know you're conscious of what you're thinking and that thoughts are made of words and or visual imagination and that's what's really that constructs everything. So your words are powerful, your images that you think, anything you think is powerful and then it can create. You know, I think sometimes what we fail to see is the fact, the instant creation. What you were talking before about, when you were asking the thing about manifesting. People fail to see how much you actually manifest on the day-to-day thing, and it's the way when you start paying attention to the little thing, it's one of the most wonderful things ever to just happen these little synchronicity and you can see the little miracles that happen on a daily basis. It's just wonderful.
Speaker 3:I always kind of tell the story. I was on my way to work one day and I really wanted donuts and I thought wouldn't it be wonderful? One of the patients that come in you know the burguest donuts, and I got there by 7, 30, by 9 o'clock, a patient came in with the big thing of donuts and I got the donuts for the day and I was like, yes, thank you, you know, somebody heard me. But it happens in other very simple ways. But you know we can't really think that because you're manifesting or creating, only creating good. You know everything gets created, so the good and the bad along with it, and everything in between.
Speaker 4:You know, I like to talk about what we're talking about. Just right before this, when you, when you, christine, when you were saying something about if someone comes and does something bad, do they still experience that? And well, what was explained to me was like for now I'm Leo, my name is Leo, I'm a father, I'm a brother, I'm a husband. I worked in a couple of different jobs, but that is not who I am. Those are the roles that I agreed to be, you know play, when I came here and, just as you agree to be a female and everything in all the other aspects of your life and everyone else. Having said that, we also want to experience good and bad, and some of us agree to come and be a good person generally speaking. You know, we may harm people and hurt people, but that's also part of life, but it's not generally the role that we want it to play, just to be a good person, a good nature, and we are all coming from the same source, like you said, like a splinter of God. We're a part of God, but we all came to and agreed to play a million different roles and that soul elected to play that part and, from God's point of view, he played that role perfectly and from that we learn to have more love for each other, more compassion, you know, but they're all temporarily, because I might have been a female in a previous life, but that's not who I am. Just like who I am now is not who I am, it's just the role I chose to be.
Speaker 4:Just like Christian Bale agreed to play Batman in a movie. He's not Batman, that's just an actor. He played a part in a role in a movie as an actor, and that's another way of looking at it. We're nothing but actors in this movie called life and we all play different parts good, bad and the ugly but then we all go back up here again and the funny thing, or the strange thing, is that some of us might come back as the bad person the next time.
Speaker 4:Because for us to grow at least if what I believe to be the case, for my soul to evolve and grow, I have to experience what it's like to be on the other side of the fence, to be the mean person, to be the one who maybe murders somebody or commits some kind of hideous crime. Because how would I learn, how would I understand love and everything about what it's like to be a beautiful soul unless I experience all the good, bad and the ugly of all the different aspects of existence. So from God's point of view, he had to come to do that, for us to experience a lot of different things, and that's how I had to agree with that, and it's possible that we may at some point agree to be something hideous or monstrous.
Speaker 1:But it's all good. So from what you're saying there and thinking about what basically we were talking about the whole time, I feel like if I got one thing out of our conversation tonight it always comes down to resonance. Do you think so? Because when you were talking about manifestation, it's about what you're resonating In this lifetime.
Speaker 1:Yeah in this lifetime. You're saying, maybe I'll come back as the bad guy. If you're resonating, what you feel like you need to learn would resonate in that way. So I feel like everything. And then you were saying, like even being an actor, right, like the guy playing Batman. I feel like yeah, if you're resonating with it, right. And even how you were saying before about the carpenter and going back to the very beginning, I feel like, yeah, in the end it's just whatever you're resonating with didn't follow it.
Speaker 4:Right, would you want to switch that? I think it's just a little bit more than resonation. I think it's like if you were to sit down as a higher being and you needed to evolve, to be like I'm going to make something up here, like to be like Archangel Michael. Well, archangel Michael knows everything about us. But to be in a position to know everything about us, you have to experience every single aspect of a human being, and all of that, and the bad parts, are part of being a human being. So it's not so much that we resonated with that. We have to experience all these different vibrations.
Speaker 3:It makes us all it is, but I don't agree with that.
Speaker 5:but I know that you had something to say, so I guess my question is well, what if it was just like you know, I don't want to be this guy and he manifested to take on a different role, and it would have changed everything. So could he have done that? Or was that the role that he had to play and that's it? So there to me, like the manifestation thing kind of goes out the window a little bit.
Speaker 3:We're always, as I said before. You know when we get, we have a life path. We always get an opportunity to do things, especially when we have these nasty roles, to kind of take a different way. If we want to, there's always plan B plan C, plan D there's a choice.
Speaker 3:We've seen it, you know, over and over again into many different other instances where peer pressure can make someone behave in ways that, outside of that peer pressure, they wouldn't like watching someone be in, you know, in a school yard, kids fighting and everybody's watching and nobody's doing anything about it because nobody else's is, you know.
Speaker 3:And so peer pressure or societal pressure kind of played a role. I think in that case a lot, which you know was not very good at all, but I do feel that he had the opportunity of not going on that way and then he chose it anyway, because then, unfortunately, if there isn't, whatever ego is playing into your role and whatever insecurities you have, if you have the sense, if you have the chance to obtain power, power is a disease that changes people like there's no tomorrow and then you're going down a path. Right Makes sense, no, it's very good. I don't think you need to experience a lot or have to go through like a rigorous learning in order to play the role of an angel or a kane or any other being. I don't believe that as a consciousness. If you wish to embody that role, we all have, whatever information and whatever We've been around for thousands and thousands and millennia, you mean to tell me we still have to learn something, just so that I can be something?
Speaker 4:else Think about it. Why are we here?
Speaker 3:Well, you don't know where you've been and where you're going. That reminds me of a movie who said that you know you're here, you're there, you know where you're going. If you wanted to adopt a different role, let's say you get a choice and you want it to be an angel you certainly can. I don't feel that you have to learn. I do wish that people get away from that, because I think that immediately puts you in a place of less than it's like.
Speaker 3:We're so constantly trying to measure ourselves up to something greater, something better, something less and something good and something bad, and we're constantly measuring that. Sure, we need it to understand, to have morals and to have directions and that kind of thing, but especially for something outside of yourself that maybe could be considered constricted as part of belonging with fantasy. If you really want to, if you don't want to believe it, that's fine. Make it all fantasy. But if it's going to be a fantasy world, I'm sorry, but I'm going to be able to do everything in that fantastic, fantastical world, you know, and if I want to be Archangel Mathis from, I'm going to do it.
Speaker 4:I won't have to learn anything. I said it last time and I'll say it again I am not coming back.
Speaker 3:And I'm telling you, you will very quickly shortly after, I'll be fighting and kicking they're giving me a vacation.
Speaker 4:I'm just fighting wearing this valet here. I don't want to come back. I'm sure the food up there is even better, but I don't want to come back.
Speaker 3:They're giving me a break, but you're coming right back, going to.
Speaker 1:I just want to, I guess, just say something, maybe, even if there's a question behind it that you said that this thing of always needed to learn something. What I found is there's times where I feel like you know, I remember, I remember when I was about 23, 24 and I was living in Italy and I just felt, I felt like I wasn't searching. That's all I can say. I just felt very, very peaceful. It was the first time in my life I felt true peace. And I remember coming back and I went over to our friend's house and we were talking because I was here visiting and I told him that and I said I just feel good and he goes, you're not a seeker, he goes. A true seeker never stops seeking. And I remember, as soon as he said that, I felt like something broke inside of me, like am I doing it right?
Speaker 1:Am I doing it right? And I went on this thing like it broke my peace right. And when you say that it's not about learning and I'm just speaking for where I feel right now and it might change in the next five minutes I kind of feel like I'm tired of seeking, because I feel like when I'm seeking it's already there. And that goes back to that long feeling. It's like there's not much more we really need to know. It's kind of really like you know they say over human beings, not human doings, and I know that's like a nice catchphrase and everything, but it's true.
Speaker 1:But what I found is it feels uncomfortable to just be, and this thing of like we need to be doing something, we need to be learning something, I feel like that's that, at least for myself, it's like all right, gets me something I got to do. It doesn't make me relax into it. And just how you were talking about when we weren't recording, about being young in Long Beach and you were like looking up at the stars and the trees and you would just be there, what you're describing to me as someone that's just being, and isn't that what we're like. Even just now, I feel like we're just hanging around, there's some tea, there's some knickknacks on the table and we're just hanging out talking and it's not. We're not trying to make it go anywhere, and if it does that's great, if it doesn't, that's fine too, like I'm really I'm content either way, we're not forcing anything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and tell you the truth, for me it's more like to record it, because it gives us a reason to make sure we get together, because I know for myself, then I get lazy and it's like, yeah, we'll do it, we'll get together, we'll get together soon. But if we're doing something, it's more like, no, we have to because we're doing something. You know what I mean. But in reality, we're doing something to just be, and at least for right now, I think it's something that I just need to explore, of just being, because my whole life I'm trying to do something and it's not working. It didn't work out, I'm great. Well, I guess it did, because I probably threw the point at wanting to do this. But you said it earlier.
Speaker 4:There comes a point where the cat just doesn't want to chase the mouse thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah exactly.
Speaker 4:So you might have reached a point where you're just content with the way things are and I don't really have to seek anything else At least not for now and it doesn't mean.
Speaker 1:it doesn't mean, it is, and you know, I don't need to look for anything, I just enjoy it.
Speaker 1:And it doesn't mean like I don't want to try to make more money for my family or I don't want to travel a little bit and see the world. It doesn't mean I want to disconnect from the world. In fact, it almost feels opposite. I feel like a new appreciation for it. You know what I mean. I feel like an appreciation to just sit here and hang out. You know what I mean. One because you realize like this may be the last time I see everybody Like who knows what's going to happen. You know what I mean. But there's also that appreciation of just like yeah, it's really nice. But there's also that thing of like, oh, yeah, that's nice. Imagine if I come back like a Chinese dude. You know what I mean. Like it's experience, like that's right, you're going to be the same.
Speaker 4:You're never going to take the same form every time.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, you come back as a slug. I mean, I would love to be a bird.
Speaker 4:A what A bird oh a bird, an eagle, an eagle.
Speaker 3:Let's start that Listen, why do?
Speaker 4:we have to go for the majestic, you know, because it's my decision, it's my choice and that's what I want. So, talking about what we talked about, I have a good question to follow up on and see what the guys are saying here. So you said how we'll come back seven more times at least, with the friendship that he has with the Southern person. Is there a time, or will there be a time, when we don't any of us don't have to come back again? And if we don't have to come back again, what? Where are we going? What is the nature of our existence from that point on?
Speaker 3:My goodness, you want to know so much. You know, that's like the question of everything Well, I'm not how long.
Speaker 4:I'm still seeking information. I see that I want to see.
Speaker 3:So we can take really long pauses. There are some people who even get like a thousand years in between lifetimes. You know, my question to you is how long do you think time is going to go? You know, I mean Earth in itself has been around for like billions of years, you know. Think of that. How long do you think time with the construct of the knowledge of human beings reincarnation, birth and death, and you know, manifesting and all that how long do you think that's going to continue propagating into the future? Exactly, billions and billions of times or years, for as long as we want to do it. So sometimes we take long pauses, sometimes we take very, very short pauses and we come right back and we can do this for as long as we want to.
Speaker 3:Sometimes people I've talked to people that I could see that part of their plan was to take a very long pause and then you know, resolving something in this lifetime and then that changing after the session and seeing that alright.
Speaker 3:So I guess they're putting into place like another plan for another life to be added a little bit sooner. And since it's interesting in that circumstance that the consciousness in the moment that the session is happening and healing occurs and there is a shift of the consciousness and also the subconscious because they work together. That also they're talking to the Holy Spirit, god, obviously they're all present and all you know, participating into whatever healing. That, even if the person doesn't know, doesn't have abilities, they're already having a conversation about their future selves through time, not just for this lifetime but also for future lifetimes, depending upon what it is that if they are especially navigating or working on a long-term purpose, I guess and you know whatever plan to decide it we think that our purpose are only for this lifetime. I see purposes that have been known for millennia, as in people you know we're talking about thousands of years and that person is still going towards that kind of thing and it's beautiful, the experiences that they're actually acquiring because of that. You know.
Speaker 4:You know, if you look at it that way and you know, like you know, there's eternity. Sorry, it's just a matter of time that we re-experience the same thing over and, over and over again. I mean, if we get re-inconvicted, just to pick a number, a million times, well, that's a while. I've done this so many times, like I'm done.
Speaker 3:But the only reason you're thinking that is because of how you feel in this moment, how you feel about this lifetime, because of your perception, of your understanding that is limited. In this realm, in this very moment, you are not seeing yourself for all that you are. You're only perceiving your life and your tiredness for the life that you lived in this moment and you're making those assumptions, or those conclusions more than assumptions because of your experience in this moment. But it doesn't mean that that's what you're going to feel when you go on the other side and you get to experience that other version of yourself. It's completely different.
Speaker 3:So it's easy for you to make a statement like that, but you're making it from a perception that is shortened, that is distorted by your experiences, just like all of us. You know, and that's why it's not easy. I don't feel comfortable making statements like that that are based on my perception of this now, because I don't know at all. I don't know what's going to happen afterwards. I don't care to know, I don't ever ask. I do know that this life gives us an opportunity to see the world from a place of friction, a place of constriction, of difficulty, or from a place of beauty whichever way you want to look at it, and there is a little bit of everything in between, of that you know.
Speaker 4:Will we ever get to experience life somewhere else other than Earth in the future and never return back to Earth?
Speaker 3:Do you want me to have a word with the big guy so that you don't get to come back? Is that what you're asking? You're trying to. You can do it.
Speaker 2:That's why you're going to come back soon because you're going to go up there and they're going to be like yes, you're going to tell me everything.
Speaker 1:Someone already told you.
Speaker 4:There was a picture of someone shared on Facebook that was going around. It was a picture of a newborn baby. It's hard to imagine this baby was able to make this expression. He was angry and the caption says something to the effect on him. Damn, I came back again. I was like oh man, I can't believe I got reincarnated.
Speaker 5:I think I saw that one.
Speaker 4:It was funny.
Speaker 5:It was real angry I was giving the middle finger on my baby picture, like the hospital baby picture.
Speaker 3:That's funny. What was the question that you asked about? With May Fun, I joked around because there was a big flash of light right over you when you asked that question. What was it? Do you guys remember, do you?
Speaker 4:remember If we go to other places, other planets, other parts of the solar system or the solar system, but universe, it's full of life out there.
Speaker 3:Different dimensions, parallel universes.
Speaker 4:Yes, because all over, Because I can see from that perspective again experiencing life, but in a different form.
Speaker 1:Do you feel like, because you're saying that about I mean obviously the way you're phrasing it about that happening in the future, but don't you feel like that could also happen in the past as well? The reason I'm asking that I meet a lot of people where I'm like this person is not from around here. You ever see that, especially these, a lot of young kids. You talk to them and like, oh, I used to have dreams, you were, you're not from here, not to sound like you know new age or anything like that. But I just feel like some people just have an energy where it's just like it's just it's hitting different, it's not like. I just feel like, yeah, they're just like they're coming from somewhere else or like not saying obviously physically.
Speaker 1:I just feel like, like the way they operate, it just comes from a different place.
Speaker 4:It just like Italians have a culture and Russians have a culture, for example, and we can, we can look at them as like wow, that's really unique mindset that they have, which is different than the Native American Indians. We just differ from Africans or the Asians. You know, every group of people have a different mindset. Well, if there is an alien civilization someplace, they are going to have a completely different mindset, Other than humans.
Speaker 1:We should do a festival called like the Pleiades in American Festival. Let's see, like you said, that I used to have a recurring dream that I was underwater swimming.
Speaker 4:Now, I wasn't a mermaid, but I remember it was almost as if I was, but my, my skin was bluish, I think, oh grayish, oh green, I don't know, I'm calling it black and I remember just not breathing, but I was in the water and I would always wake up like I'm not breathing and I would always snap out of the dream and it was like a recurring dream. Now it could be just a dream, but I wonder if that was part of me. That was someplace else in a previous life, where I was in a plan of where the species or the sentient beings lived in the water.
Speaker 1:They didn't live on the land, or what if the way Isimora was talking about dreams and stuff like that, or it's you in another spot, not?
Speaker 4:Right, and that's simultaneously living a life someplace else. Because there's no, there's no such thing as space and time, right? Everything's outside space and time.
Speaker 3:Something like that.
Speaker 4:My head saw him turd.
Speaker 3:You can track of all the things right.
Speaker 4:No, no, I'm just talking about like you know like trying to write out how it rains around space and time and multiple universes everything's happening at the same time, you know? Yes, it can be.
Speaker 3:I feel, if you think about for those people like Shaman, the Dushamani journey or anyone that invites beings in, you know to channel things like that. But even if you're doing meditations, if you do like journeys especially, and you're guided to go into a different place, a different invention, or to meet different beings, there are people who have more sensation, like you actually feel, like you're in the person's, in the being's body, and you get to experience the world from the way they experience it. And I think that's also very, very cool and I've had that a few times. You know, often times I'll feel it, you know, like they do Into, you know, going into what you were saying. I don't remember now what you were saying, but I know I don't want to be to say that so you get to chance, but you get a chance to actually feel it. And, yes, there's different types of you know lifetime.
Speaker 3:But you, like all of us, like you said in the past, many of us have been other things other than human beings. We're not always just human beings. You know, you've been all kinds of things Like you actually first you, because I wanted to say something to you, like your connection, often time with Archangel Michael and Archangel Raphael. It's usually most often, when people work closely with some being like that, it's because you already been one of them in the life prior to this, or a couple lifetimes before it, and you have that strong connection to their world and their frequency and so it's easier for them to come through you and because you have that remembrance, you know, of being in that world. That's one of the way that they sometimes do it and for you, that's definitely that you also are part of. Like at least 50% of your frequency is of the Archangel Michael and you have about 10 to 25% of Archangel Raphael and then you have like a 10% Archangel Matatran.
Speaker 1:So you, you know you in this lifetime so you decided I don't even know who that is it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3:And you know you have, you've chosen to have these kind of things and so for each one of them, when we choose in these type of frequency, is because we have a certain objective, that we're going to do some things you know, and the way you feel, oftentimes you talk, is because of that objective and where you're going in life. For you, christina, you have. So you've had a quick life. You were a woman as well. You were here in the time of like 1773. And they're showing you as one of the pioneers. You know one of the people that went across the West and and you know they travel and had that difficulty and they had they whatever struggles they had doing that lifetime. So you've had a lifetime there, one of your past life, even prior to that, if you go even further back, and that's that's where you also had the majority of the family members that you have in this lifetime. You had also in that lifetime.
Speaker 3:You were all together at that point too, and you were a shaman. You were a male shaman of the Inca or Lisa, working in South America around the, where Chile is going down the coast down there. So you were around that, that part of the you know where you guys were associated and you did not pick to have those specialties to bring with you at this time. But going into the future of this is lifetime you have. You're going to take a pause of about 100 years and then you're going to come back, I'm sorry. You're going to go into a different dimension, different being, and then you're going to come back here in about 250 years and at that point you're going to bring wisdom and knowledge with you, because you're going to be more of a teacher type of person and so you're going to lead people and teach in whichever way you feel you see fit. So I get a little break from the other world.
Speaker 3:You get a little break from here.
Speaker 5:Yes, you come back when the world is a little better. I think I might get that little break.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the world is going to be much better in about 300 years.
Speaker 3:Yeah, what is it 21? Yeah, in about 250, 250, 300 years of the world.
Speaker 1:That really gives me the curiosity to ask about the upcoming future, but I'm afraid from doing that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we'll do another time. I think we're pretty good. Do me that, alright, since you're curious. So for you, yeah, so you're going to have just about like a 10, 15 year, like little break, and then you're going to come back. You're going to be a male again. You have chosen.
Speaker 4:To marry you again is not bad.
Speaker 3:No, it's not bad. I'm just going to get a break from here for a while. You've chosen to be a hothead. You know like a, like a, not a temperamental, but a risk taker, a huge risk taker. A kid that gets to experience everything you know still, until the muscle cars and still that type of. But you get to experience and do everything you've always wanted and with you know like nobody can stop your type of attitude. So you get to experience that. You come back very quickly like 10, 15 years.
Speaker 4:So the muscle causing the stone gas power on their electric. Is this the?
Speaker 3:2023 Tesla.
Speaker 5:Do you know about yourself, then I guess too.
Speaker 3:Yeah, if I ask what they're showing, I'm not going to come back right away. I will go to a different dimension in about 30 to 50 years, depending upon how much I get to process. So I might see you there. Yeah, and then I'll come back over here they are. They did tell me that I will get to. Yeah, about about 150 years from now, I'll come back here and be part of the world. You know, at that time you said that last time too.
Speaker 1:Did I.
Speaker 3:Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2:I guess I know I'm going to be here because of Nico's.
Speaker 3:Just because he said you know eight more times doesn't mean they're consecutive or that they are going to be.
Speaker 1:This proves what I was wondering. Is that? You know you said like you said the Christine, like 100 years, when you speak of 100 years is 100 years. When you say that you're saying the 100 years, the way we would experience it.
Speaker 3:Yes, not on the other side. It could be like a blink of an eye. You're not. Yeah, it's time is not like that, right, so it doesn't really exist. It is, but it's our time here. We definitely perceive that.
Speaker 4:Remember I was, you know, for the sake of this podcast, I was telling you there were times when, during meditations, I would experience emotions that were not human. I honestly don't remember what you told me, but is that something you want to. They wouldn't like to elaborate what France was.
Speaker 3:What was it again that you experienced?
Speaker 4:It was emotions that I never experienced before, as if it wasn't human.
Speaker 3:Right. So you have very often, every time I look at you, there is this massive being behind you. I mean massive, massive, and often time, whether you like it or not, you tend to you guys shared, you know, the same consciousness, so you tend to go into journeys with him and he takes you into those journeys while you're sleeping and everything like that.
Speaker 3:Or even if you're meditating and you can do it really fast. The biggest struggle for you is believing, because without seeing, so because you're not seeing, you don't believe it, and so you tend to have experiences that you feel you're more disconnected from them than they're really your own type of thing and the beings that you were experiencing. It's often time, when they're taking you into these journeys, what they're really doing, they're like lifting, I guess we would call the soul, but really your consciousness, so it may feel as if you're lifting. The soul is being lifted after you Body, you mean, oh, the body we experience, I guess you would call it. But it's really consciousness, really, and it's just how we perceive it. It feels that way and you know how we need to define everything and like that.
Speaker 3:But then when you get to a certain level, because it's your consciousness and or your subconscious, I guess there is a certain if your mind is asleep or if you're asleep but your consciousness is starting to go somewhere else, there is a can be moments where you may feel disoriented, where you know you start becoming aware of the fact that you are somewhere else and that oftentimes it's why it's easier for us to use our consciousness to travel, to make these journeys.
Speaker 3:While we're meditating because it's almost as if we're kind of shutting down a little bit that awareness or when we're sleeping, we're going through what was you know? When we sleep, we go through all this journey. It creates less friction, but sometimes our awareness starts surfacing and we become aware of the fact that we are somewhere where we're not supposed to be, or that's what it appears to us, and that's when we have these experiences where it doesn't really make a lot of sense. We're not so sure what we're feeling, but it's like catching ourselves off mid-flight and saying, oh shit, he's awake, you know kind of thing. But it happened.
Speaker 1:Yeah, do you mind if I ask you one thing? Yeah, because I don't like to do this, no, no, no, it's not good. But because you're talking about this being and I want to talk to you about an experience that I don't think it was because of me. I actually think it was because of my dad, but I just want to see what you pick up on about it. So it was the first time that I did ever did the meditation over the breakfast house on a full moon, and we did the thing and we would get rice and we would be like, kind of like you know, in church we say like Lord here are prayer. Like you know, for this person's mom, lord here are prayer. You know we don't see her prayer, but we throw rice into the fire and my dad always had bad knees. So I don't know how old it was, maybe 1920. So anyway, I got the rice, I threw it in there. We throw it in there for Papas knees.
Speaker 1:At that time I came home. I was older, because it's when Baba bought the new the house now. So I was 21. So I go home at the time that the house was what do you call them? Rensher? So there was my room and then there was my mom Baba's room right Next next to it. I go in the room in my room.
Speaker 1:I come home, I'm sleeping and it sounds literally like it sounds like a car crashes into the house. And I wake up and I'm standing in my parents room. Okay, now, remember being freaked out because I was thinking, holy shit, I just slept walk and for some reason they thought of me sleepwalk and scared me. So I'm standing in my parents room, I'm looking at them sleeping with this thing, like holy crap, I just slept walk and I see something move on the other side of the room. On the other side of the room there was a they had a bathroom and I see this figure walking and I can see it's a man and he's wearing like kind of like an old robe thing and you know in church that thing, it's like this and looks like a ball that they go like this, and it throws the holy water, right, yeah. So he goes to the end of the bed and he goes to my dad. So now, literally, he's on like the way from me, like closer than I am to you, right, like we're a little closer, and he's going like this to my father and he's mumbling something like that, and then he stops and he looks over at me. He doesn't smile. It was as serious as could be and we just lock eyes. And when he locks, we lock eyes for a little bit and, boom, I'm in my bed, like I didn't wake up. No, I'm just in my bed. You know, it was like like a movie and to me it was something, just not a sissy deep out, because it looked just like him.
Speaker 1:Then, in the future, like when I moved to Italy and I went to visit my family down south, I went to Tupac with his monastery and they had his tunic there and I'm telling you, Sumona, it was the same tunic. Like he had this patch that I saw because it was right by me and I saw it and I was like, holy crap, like that's it, it was him. So my thing, my question, is this I pray and I do all the things that I do that. I did that rice thing, but just like everything else, you know what I mean. I didn't put any more intention. I wasn't like, come on, but I wasn't doing anything.
Speaker 1:But I don't know what happened why. Why did that happen? Like I don't understand why it happened and I always think it wasn't for me. Actually I always thought it was more for papa, because then when Baba got sick with COVID and I was meditating, I some fringes came and he said to put my mom bought me a statue of him when she was in power to go put it at my dad's nursery, and which I did, and the Papa goes and he puts flowers, like they went the other day to put flowers and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:I don't know the reason why. I just kind of abide by what was asked of me. So I guess my question was is why did I never understood that experience? Because it was so. It was such a powerful experience, because it wasn't like when you have a dream and it feels real. This was different. Like he was skin, like he was skin and bones, like if I touched him, he was there, he was as real as this table and I wasn't dreaming, I was fully awake, I, I. So I have no explanation for that.
Speaker 3:All right. So thank you, they just came back. I appreciate that. So the thing that about healers because you are a healer now, you may not necessarily practicing the healing modality that you would like to. That's why you feel tired of it, but you are a healer. As healer, it doesn't mean that you have to be a healer. What it means is a child can be a healer.
Speaker 3:What makes a healer A healer is a person that has enough hope and belief, more than anybody else is. And really what we're doing we are leaning on leasing our belief in our hope and our whatever to other people to facilitate whatever healing they need. So I have a strong belief into anything is possible and that makes it so that if someone comes to me, I can use that, or the guys can use that, or all the beings that are out there, they can borrow your belief into something that can happen to then procure the healing for another person. So you threw the rice. You did it without much intent. It's not the fact that you put the intent behind the rice. It's the fact of who you are, who you are in the moment that you're throwing the rice, everything that you represent and everything that you believe in that moment you don't have to think about all that, but your person, the person that you are. When I say, when I ask for a miracle for someone, I usually do it in seconds because I believe in it. There is a strong belief behind it. If I ask for a miracle for a person, it will happen because I believe in it, not because I'm creating it, but because I know that the other person may lack whatever it is that is creating the illness, that I may have it, and so the being is in between, that borrows my whatever to facilitate the healing. So you're doing the same thing. Oftentimes we use objects for that. It's why a rice, a rosary, a candle, a crucifix, whatever there is an object that we've been using for a long time. Because objects, we give so much importance to them that they also become an act as the procurement to borrow whatever it is that we don't feel we have within ourselves, to create whatever it is that we're trying to create. Your net explains what did there Now, because you are the healer and what it means is that you have things that other people don't have.
Speaker 3:When you're asking for an act of healing, even if it's nonchalant, you're creating an agreement with the being in that moment to come and do the healing for you. Now you can be the healer, meaning that you can do the healing yourself, but it's usually a partnership with other beings that it's going on, so it's never just by yourself and you should never think of that. You're doing it all by yourself, because if you do it all by yourself, then you eventually would start sourcing that energy within your own self and then it just wouldn't work very well for you. So you're always in a partnership and you're the one. It's like you're the expert about creating a partnership that your father wouldn't think of asking a being wouldn't even accept it or wouldn't even acknowledge that a being could actually create the healing. But you do so. You're facilitating, so your father is borrowing your abilities to create the healing.
Speaker 3:Now, the part about you seeing the being has more to do with you than it has to do with your father. And it has to do with you because for the healer that often time it's an incredulous thing about ourselves that we can actually do all this. We don't feel like we deserve it or we have to prove ourselves, or whatever it is that a healer may feel, and often time you need these experiences and if you think about the look that that priest gave you, it was more like look and see so that you can believe. You have to believe it, if you see me right, and we still doubt it, but at least now we have something that we can question, that we can hold on to. It's an experience that is very real, that it becomes our own. And then it's not the only time that you've experienced that. You've seen that same type of being, felt them, or it's been around you over and over again. But it's more to build up on your belief in yourself and that kind of thing.
Speaker 3:The way they do it, it's usually a very. It has to stand, it has to be impressive so that the person doesn't disregard it. If it's just like any other dream, you would just chuck it off with something. It's probably just a dream, so it has to make an impression on you. So usually they work on your subconscious and conscious self. They put you in this state where you're like in this halfway dreaming. That is a really weird place because you're aware, but you're also like it's just a weird, weird place.
Speaker 3:And then they have you, they give you these experiences, they allow you to see exactly what you're supposed to see. They keep you there for exactly the amount of time that they need you to keep. They wake you up fully conscious, with all the feelings and all the emotions, as if you went from dreaming to waking up, as if you it feels like you've been awake the whole time. You know, and it's because you're supposed to remember that, because it's supposed to be for your own you know, for your own journey and understanding, and eventually you know whatever you need to appreciate about that. The interesting thing is that that I felt there was same similar to Padre Pio or one of those.
Speaker 3:You know, people that created healing, that did a lot of healing for a lot of people, and they want you to see.
Speaker 3:What they want you to see is that you're always putting yourself less than you're always coming to the rescue of everybody else. You're always standing for the, you know, for the underdog and for the people that are being treated less than or poorly, but at the same time, you're not necessarily giving yourself enough credit or enough the willingness to see the worth and value of yourself, not necessarily as a healer, but even just as a human being, and that it doesn't. You don't have to feel if you're, if you, if here's the thing if we are seeing ourselves as less, it's because we don't want to be greater, but we're still acknowledging the fact that there is a greatness, a difference between greatness and less, and neither is good means that if you were to really go and understand that you were greater, you may go too much into that. You know what I mean and I'm not explaining it well, but you know we're getting it's getting late, I'm getting a little tired.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I feel what you're saying. Yeah, okay, good.
Speaker 3:And the thing is that you don't need either, you don't need to feel less and you don't need to feel greater. You just need to be okay with just being in the expression that that priest gave you, because I can see it and it's looking at me and it's like you have to honor who you are. You just need to be okay with it, just embrace it, honor it. It's nothing more or less than anything else. It just is. You know, and that's sometimes the hardest thing, and that's why that experience was there for you. In that sense, the Bosnian is never got better. It did what it needed to do. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I know, I think so in a different way.
Speaker 3:Your father is a very stubborn person. None of this should be going here you know?
Speaker 1:No, no, it's true.
Speaker 3:He's very stubborn.
Speaker 1:He doesn't want to hear anything from anybody, and Denise are going to give him that kind of an issue because he's only gotten worse yeah, because he's expendable and then he'll get an infection in his spine, like if things keep on getting worse and worse and worse. And the feel that I got was that Denise being hurt was actually a blessing, because it was supposed to actually slow him down, to start appreciating what's around him, and he didn't. And then he got the infection in his spine and I felt like, okay, here's another chance to slow you down. And then, in fact, he slowed down because he had to, but as soon as he started healing he just went back to write what, how he always is just like a workaholic.
Speaker 3:He's un-heal-ding, he's expendable. That's why all those problems with the spine and the Denise. Yeah, it's his choice, you know, and that's fine. Thank you for that clarification Sure anytime.
Speaker 4:That expendable is more of a stubbornness. Is that what that is? Makes sense, but my knees hurt.
Speaker 3:The knees are. You know, you have to bend your knees to take a step forward, to climb up, to go forward, to sit down, to do movement. You have to bend your knees. So when there is issues with your knees, it has to do with the person's inability to see things from a different perspective. So there's a difference between left and right. So, the right side being female, it's also to do with capability.
Speaker 3:So if you lack the ability to trust and believe in your own self, to feel you know, to actually know who you are, then oftentimes we will affect the knees, but more often than not people have issues with their ankles. When it's like that on the right side the left side knee is always because we doubt our own steps, we doubt our decision, we regret making certain decisions. We are constantly questioning if I should do this or I should do that or maybe it was better. If you know, something goes wrong, we start questioning all the steps that we took and it always will affect the knee. And if you don't feel it in the knee, you'll definitely feel it in your left hip or left foot, but it's usually the knee and the hip and all that just means that you just lack the perception to see yourself or see the world around you for what it is.