Flowing With Spirit
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Flowing With Spirit
From Shadows to Light: Understanding Identity, Energy, and the Supernatural
We take a deep dive into our personal experiences, unraveling the complexities of identity, culture, and personal growth. Join us as we share our journeys of shedding false personas, breaking free from societal norms, and embracing our true selves. We even touch on the often ignored topic of depression and the exhaustion of playing societal roles.
Have you ever wondered about the impact energy has on our lives, roles, and relationships? Fear not, we've got you covered. We share gems from our experiences while discussing the limitations of spirituality, the importance of living authentically, and the reminder that we are more than just our actions and beliefs. We also explore the profound impact of inner dialogue, the power of self-awareness, and the journey of redefining ourselves. We wrap up with a conversation on the impact of negative energy and how our thoughts, emotions, and actions contribute to it.
Finally, we delve into some intriguing topics like entities, their existence, and their effects on individuals. We share personal anecdotes, discuss the impact of paranormal experiences, and even talk about how our dreams and spiritual beliefs intersect with our experiences. The conversation takes a turn to explore the impact of spiritual practices on personal growth and the existence of extraterrestrial beings. Wrapping up, we discuss our beliefs about Archangels, their origins, and their impact on our lives. Join us as we navigate these complex issues, offering insights and reflections on personal growth and transformation. [END]
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But I think, like it's bringing up things, because I think it's also a thing of like can she give up that control and maybe she's realizing she's not living the life she really wants to live, and what does that mean?
Speaker 2:You know? And what does that mean for me really?
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 2:You know what I?
Speaker 1:mean Because for me. It's like I just want her to be living her true life. You know what I?
Speaker 2:mean it's a struggle, I think, for a lot of people who come from. You know the. They originally come from a different country and you're in a foreign place as much as you can be here, for you know anyway, or for many years, you're just gonna. Sometimes you don't feel. It's like you feel torn between two different places, you know. And then if on top of that, there is some wounding that you know it's not being taken care of, it can also interfere with how you perceive the world that you have.
Speaker 1:And there's also this thing of like. You know, she also comes from a culture where, like, education is really important. But her parents were artists. You know what I mean Like her family, or like even like her uncle, that they're very well-known artists in Iran. So she also had this thing of like no, you're an artist, you're an artist. But there's this also, this part of her like I need to be this like well educated. Yeah, you know, I don't want to put words in her mouth.
Speaker 1:And then you come to a country where they talk they know nothing about Iranians, right? So they think, like people ask me does your wife have to cover up, is she allowed to drive? Like, people ask me these things. And then Leila feels like you know nothing. And then why are you talking? Like I'm the like, I'm the primitive one. You know what I mean. So I think there's a lot of like, different aspects that like I don't even say you know, or I don't truly understand because, I'll be honest with you, everybody loves Italians, but the truth of the matter, it's the truth. Maybe not before, but now I feel like everyone loves Italians, it's the truth.
Speaker 4:Well, italians are very popular with everything yeah, and we fit in with everyone. Unfortunately, a lot of the wars and a lot of issues we have all with Arab countries. So she's like kind of like, exactly like we went to war in China all the Chinese people, or even Asians in general, because people put every one Asians.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly like even when you said even when you said, like that, we're like with Arabs, but Iranians aren't Arabs.
Speaker 4:In fact, they don't like the Arabs but they put it in the thing and it's like it's a whole area, the world was all the same as us. Yeah, you know exactly, the group are all together and like to her.
Speaker 1:It's like you know that must be hard. It's like these are the people that took over our country and then, and then I go somewhere else and you're like, you're like them and you're like what I'm like exactly, actually, on the opposite. So I think obviously it's multi-layered, so I think there's a lot of work for it, but I also feel like maybe it's coming up. You know something. I saw this video clip of Jim Carrey speaking and he was talking about depression and he said depression is like it's like this, it's this like tired of being yourself, like I'm tired of playing this role, this avatar, and I feel like that's where, where she's at, like tired of playing, and that's where I was in January, like I'm done being bow, like I'm fucking tired of it you know, the version of power, the vision of the version, that of heart that she's been doing, because we we take these roles thinking that we're, you know, it's gonna make us happy and you're really not living life in function of what we need or want.
Speaker 2:It's more than living life in function of can I get this person to love me?
Speaker 2:you know more or get more of my needs met into that. It's a struggle, it's a big struggle and but this year, 2023, although this, this started in 2022 this wave to get people, as many people as possible, into shedding this part of themselves like, especially associated to your left side. So, father figure, the masculinity of yourself so whether it's your female, male, you know, or any other gender that you rep, you know, you represent yourself with it is the, the steps you know, what steps are you taking to actually make everything of yourself to make sure that you are the person that you want to be. You know that start around October of last year and it's gonna end about. For some people is gonna end about June of 2024, but for the majority of people, is gonna go all the way to 25 and 26 and then try your. Prior to that, we were working on the side of the feminine side and, anyway, that's a little tangent, but that's it. I think we wanted to talk about energy in general, or was there something that you well, we, we can go.
Speaker 1:I mean, I think this kind of ties into what we were talking about like at least where.
Speaker 1:I would bring it. Yeah, so with that I would say so, what I've been finding is, at least in this part of my own self-cultivation, finding, finding those parts of those pieces of myself that people relate to in a certain way. Right, like my sister is gonna relate to me as her brother, but my her brother in a certain way, and then, like I'm a son in a certain way, I might have a practitioner certain way, and then what I'm finding is I'm done, those, those roles are tiring themselves and as they tire themselves, I feel like there's this other part that's emerging. But it has a this emergence. It doesn't have a hard time. I was almost gonna say it has a hard time showing itself. In fact it's the opposite. It's that it's already naturally there. It's just. It's just these other parts of myself feel like it has to keep playing these roles, because it feels like it has to keep putting up this, almost like a show, right, but what I'm realizing is it's almost like they're playing. They're playing a show that's bound to end and they keep on trying, even though they know the curtains about to come down. That's what I feel, like that, because there's something else that it almost feels like. There's something else that is good going to become known and I'm not trying to sound like cryptic or something big or, you know, like something cool or it's just, it's just very simple. Actually, it's very simple and I and when that happens, I think a lot of people around me are gonna start maybe even moving away even more from me, right, and but that's okay, like most of my cousins don't? You know, they don't really contact me anymore, or, and I don't contact them. So I think it's gonna be certain people around me, and but that's okay, because I feel like you can't look.
Speaker 1:I guess what I'm trying to say is that and I always go to the honey supper outside my deck is. I feel like if I tie, if the honey suckers going, going up and then to the right, but I keep tying it to the other, the other, like pole here, it'll keep growing. But it's like I'm on the outside trying to train it, right, and that's how I feel. I feel like I feel like all my conditions I've been trying to train me on how to grow, but something aside of me saying no, like I know, I know I need to go there because that's where the light is. I need to break out of this little spindle that you tied me to and I have to go that way and people aren't gonna like that.
Speaker 1:So when I'm saying that, I'm not just saying about my relationships. I'm finding that about with everything, like like a lot of beliefs, a lot of, a lot of everything. So the what I was gonna come up talk about, what I was thinking about when I was talking with Samona, was I've even grown tired of a lot of spiritual spirituality talk, because it's always confined to something. Do you understand what I'm saying? Limitations there's limitations. Limiting, supposed to be exactly.
Speaker 4:It's limiting energy and if you're not following the guidelines, then you're not spiritual enough?
Speaker 4:yeah, I think, and this could be true more for people who live in America, where we put too much emphasis on the roles that we have to play and the guidelines are almost getting to a point where it's very strict you have to do this and you have to do it this way, or, if I identify myself as a certain political view, this is the role I have to play and I have to abide by it, instead of everyone being more free to just, you know, have opinions on things, on subjects and and everything in life, without feeling that need to need to live up to it or or be bound by it. You know you have, we have a lot of roles father, brother, sister. You mentioned it earlier and I think we, I think we judge ourselves like well, am I really a good father? My really good brother?
Speaker 4:my really a good husband my really a good worker and my really good car driver. Am I really good at this? If I really you know what? Let's just enjoy life and stop worrying about how I do everything, on how or, better yet, how everybody sees me, how I participate in it it was as long in my opinion. I feel that as.
Speaker 4:Long as I'm a good person and and I think I'm doing what I need to do and I'm not. I mean, I've always be right. You know, it's okay for someone to look at me in a different way and have a bit or a good opinion of me, but I'm still living my truth and if this is what my truth is, this is the direction I want to go in, or if I want to do something, it's okay. And other people may look at it and look a little down at me, but that's they're right. And but that doesn't change. It doesn't define who I am.
Speaker 4:Someone thinks I'm a good person doesn't necessarily mean I'm a good person. It just see the part of me that's good. And vice versa. Someone, if someone thinks of me as a bad person, doesn't mean I'm a bad person. It's just that's their opinion at that particular moment in time. And as time goes by, a year later, a month later, they say you know what I was wrong about him, but her you know he's, he or she is, is different than what I thought and that's just their opinions of me. But if I take it in to a point where I let it define me, then I lose my identity, then I don't know who I am and I go through my room.
Speaker 4:Maybe some people call it a midlife crisis and it's not that. It's just that I, I, I like this, I don't like this anymore, and that's part of growth. You you tend to evolve, to go lean towards something else as you, as you get older and older and older, the things that matter to you when you were 20 years old don't matter to you when you're 30. The things that matter to you when you're 30 don't matter to you when you're 40 and to you, imagine, when you're in your 60s. All that stuff there's even matter anymore because, like who cares?
Speaker 2:you're living your life so you know, unfortunately I don't think. I mean, I love what you just said, you know, but but at the same time I don't think people are often time. You're not, we're not all in the same place at the same time, we're not all given the same experiences or even the same opportunity to develop understanding and growth, you know, or whatever it is that needs to come about. I, I do understand very, very much that you know, especially for those people who have, like, a strong inner dialogue that overrides your consciousness, overrides what, logically, you may be thinking, that you may be able to reason that way at this point. But if you have that inner dialogue that overtakes you know what you're, what you want to do, it will definitely, you know, it will definitely guide all your step, sections and thoughts, and I think that's what gets people stuck in places because they can't or they don't even realize that it's the inner dialogue, one of the hardest thing, I think, for people to really pay attention to. If you're looking to and you can probably you were referencing to the growth that you've had recently or that you've been working on and you know it's like even becoming aware that there is such dialogue within yourself. What if that seems to be, that's the way you always been, the biggest struggle for people is to understand that the way that you always thought who you are may not necessarily be really who you are. You know, and and they struggle with that and they struggle to understand that that's actually those thoughts and those patterns that were created because of situation, the experience as a child are actually creating the realities of the experiences that you're trying to run away from right now, and most often they get lost. It's like I remember being lost and all that. It was horrible. It was horrible, and when you're looking for those answers, it's hardly ever you're gonna find them, you know, because we don't all need the same answers, because we haven't been given all the same type of situations, you know. So I feel that at least the biggest passion that I have is exactly that, because I've been there and it was an enormous struggle for me to understand, you know, how to get out of all this handicaps that I felt were preventing me from experiencing the life that I wanted, and it wasn't anything that I felt that I did to myself. You know it was. It was because of my upbringing and it I dedicated an enormous amount of time to understand and get myself out of it, and so that's my biggest motivators into helping as many people as possible, because not one person is, you know, the same.
Speaker 2:So I think we struggle with that and I think also in what you were saying earlier, paolo, is that what I also know is that the what we try to when we're ready it always happens inevitably when we're ready to move away from an aspect of ourselves that no longer suits us, we don't kind of realize, oh my god, I don't like this. You know, I'm gonna take it off, I'm gonna move on and do something. It's a slow progress and it's because, throughout the time before and the now time, you've been collecting and experimenting and assessing your environments and taking statistics and, like your brain is working in the background and just assimilating all the that's happening to you and you're kind of deciding, okay, I've noticed that if, when I do this, this is the response that I get from people when I say this, this is a response where do I want to go, and you get to a point where you may not necessarily consciously say I'm ready to move on, but you feel driven to take different steps and to reassess yourself, and that's usually when we start redefining ourselves, when we say I don't want to play this role anymore and I want to do this. Is there a force that pushes us there? Yes, often I see these bandwidth. They're like wave forms of light that are coming through the entire world and that they're creating motivation or a push to help and assist other you know whoever into moving certain, a certain direction.
Speaker 2:The mercury retrogrades are perfect for that, because you know it's right at the time. It's an opportunity to review where you are in life and for you to decide whether or not you want to be here or not. But there is, you know. It's usually ongoing. What I'm talking about, but I, you know, I feel that the the biggest struggles is understanding. Then there is that inner dialogue, and understanding what part of the inner dialogue is interfering with the life that you want, and oftentimes you know it's the other biggest problem people don't know what they want. Do you actually? Do you remember knowing what you wanted when you were 20 or 30 years old, and or at least what you thought you wanted in a longer matter, is something important here the truth is, simone, it's something I think about a lot, especially now we live in this like manifestation culture.
Speaker 1:I'm like I don't even know what I want, right, but I do feel. I do feel what we were talking about, this process that I'm feeling is going towards what I want. Does that make sense? Even though it's not, I can't, I can't put my finger on exactly what it is, but I know it's going towards what I want and it doesn't mean that it like at the end of it it's like will a fortune, like, oh, you got the wash and dry. It's not like that. It's like I don't even know if anyone will ever notice anything different. You know what I mean. I like that's what I'm saying Like it feels. It feels so big, but I can't, but it will.
Speaker 2:It probably looks like nothing to others, maybe you like to you. It's going to be fundamental to me.
Speaker 1:I feel like, yeah, I feel like it's something so big and I don't even, I can't even talk about it Because I can't. And I also feel like, and it can't, I can't stop it, even if I wanted to. Like, when you were saying about, like you're, little by little, you're seeing, your noticing, I feel like it's like that caterpillar, that's like I'm looking to see where I'm going to make the cocoon and now it's like well, I only started making the cocoon, there's no stopping now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what it felt like and I'm not saying like now I'm going to come out and also know look at me, the butterfly I was just using as a as a metaphor.
Speaker 2:But it just feels like something. But you, you're 42, 42, 43, 45. Okay, so that that kind of thing started when you were 42. I'm sorry energetically? No, mostly because it started this, this what you're talking about. For you, it's on your life path. I'm actually like. Life path. For me is the same thing, but it's on your life path.
Speaker 1:Well, that's how I feel. It's like it was just like it's written in stone. Yeah, it is.
Speaker 2:And there's nothing stopping. It is because you're and even everything that you were talking about your it will. It will redo your entire life and it's meant to be that way. Yeah, and you're, you're going to be this, you know you're going to, you're on this back until you're about 48. So all the changes that need to happen. You'll have an enormous amount of assistance. Some of it will come from your guides. You're going to have experiences while you're sleeping, even though you may not recollect that, and this goes for everybody, not just for you.
Speaker 2:I'm saying this because, so that people can actually pay attention to those kind of things and and start realizing that there's so much that it's happening and the amount of assistance that you're getting from your guides, the incidents, the little interwining of all the things that happen. If you stop and pay attention which is one of my favorite thing and just see how it actually you're getting so much assistance and you get the little pushes. And often time we resist those pushes because we feel them, as you know, as friction, as something is happening to me, instead of saying, well, maybe, like you're saying, I'm training the wine. So it's not just you training the vine to go a certain way, you also have the guidance of your guides that's helping you to train that vine, and they're usually letting you know with that by creating these obstacles more often than not, and the obstacles say hey, look, you may not know this and you may not necessarily be able to see your future where we know it. So trust us when we're putting in obstacles in your way. You know in that way.
Speaker 2:But and then the other thing for you, specifically because you have this strong urge to it, your conscious thoughts need to change and you, I think the biggest thing that you're experiencing, even right now, is this change in your conscious thoughts and how you are perceiving the world. And it's going to. Even in about a year, it's going to do another 360. So you're going to, you know, and you're doing all the things that you're supposed to do to get to that point where you're going to in the process you're, you're guided to find your voice.
Speaker 2:Your guided to find your. You know your. I don't want to say purpose, but more intent into what you really want to do. And all this is going to change a lot of the stuff that you feel is going to change.
Speaker 1:Maybe it may be a world, maybe a not. All I know is consciously, before I always looked at the world as like something that, like you're trying to survive. You know what I mean Like this thing of like life is. It's hard, you got your. I'm always stressed out, chronically stressed. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:But now, like it's more and more where, even in my struggles, I feel like I see like godliness in it.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Like everything I see, it's like it may be the last time I see it, or maybe the last time I feel it and it brings me such it's almost like the angel of death has become, like a very close ally, because I see the finiteness in my, my experience and like it'll make me tear up.
Speaker 1:Now, like I feel it and and there's a the sadness is when I'm with somebody and, like you, don't feel what I'm feeling, and then it makes me sometimes feel like I want to retreat. But then this is going to where I was when I was talking about with Simone yesterday is now I'm having friends that they're constantly talking about. They're constantly talking about like all this talk of like fifth dimension and sixth dimension, all these dimensions, we're all going into these dimensions. But then, like I just got a, a call from somebody where their wife is saying, like you know, this person, close friend of mine, is like not seeing their family anymore, not seeing the kids anymore. And this person is very close with his kids and when asked for a reason like what's going on with you, the answer is like I'm in the sixth dimension, like I'm living in a totally different, higher reality, and there's a part of me that I feel like I don't have respect for that, because I don't believe it.
Speaker 1:And what I mean is like you might be in the sixth dimension, I don't know, but you're still walking around in this physical body, so you're not all the way in the sixth dimension, right, you're also here and I also feel like if you're really in the sixth dimension, you would understand about love, right, and you would understand about I'm going to bounce to another story, because I found the kind of comical and we talked about it last time about a mutual friend of ours. That kind of like stopped talking to me, right, and then calls me a few nights before the full moon and said we're going to do this mushroom ceremony. I would like for you to come. He didn't talk to me, left me a message I would like for you to come. I know we haven't talked in a while and I realized talking to another friend of mine that I didn't talk to her in a while because I felt like she needed to be alone and she told me how much that hurt her and I felt like, oh, I hope Balu doesn't feel like that, because I kind of left you high and dry as well. So I just want to make sure that you know that I love you. We're friends, you know, call me anytime and I feel like so.
Speaker 1:Six months later it took you to remember that, but then they had this ceremony and I ran into one of the guys at the ceremony and this guy had this thing where he threw up and he's and I saw him in town and he's talking to me. He seemed very, very not grounded and he was saying, like I found out I was throwing up demons and he was telling me all these things, right, and he was saying, like all our heart shoppers opened up and then we started to call everybody that we had problems with and this and that, and what he was told by this mutual friend of ours was you should call these people and tell them how you feel, because you need to be the bigger person. Now. This guy didn't realize, but when I hear that, I feel the same about Fangu, because what are you talking about? Right, and then there's this thing like Balu putting it on you now well, yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 1:Like oh, it's me right and I and that bothers me. But then there's a part of me like, well, why are you bothered by it? But then I remind myself I'm not saying I don't love this person, I love this person and I will do anything for this person, but I'm not going to take your bullshit either. And also I do feel like it's time that I can't be putting people around me that are like that, like that, are like frivolous you know what I mean because it's good for others. Maybe I don't know, but I'm realizing for myself it just doesn't do well for me because I'm one of those people that I take things to heart. So when, if I'm telling you I'm going through something, and then you just ghost me, and then I call you and then you just I never hear from you again. You can't just come back and all of a sudden like dude, I just thought you needed some time to learn, right, because if, when he was going through something, I made sure I was calling to make sure they were okay, and then I get angry because I'm expecting other people to be how I am with them, right, and but that's also another thing I'm realizing, like I realized that through Chinese medicine, right, like I always say like if I give you ginger because something's going on with your stomach, like you have cold stomach, I give you ginger and it works great. But if you break your leg, I'm not giving you ginger. Right, know what herb you are.
Speaker 1:And then herbs in Chinese medicine are never given by themselves, they're always in relationship with other herbs. So like right now, us four together is like a formula Christina brings something, you bring something, summoner brings something you know and I bring something. And we come and we make this formula. So people aren't going to call and listen to us if we're talking about how to fix a car. You know what I mean, because most likely I mean I don't know if you guys know how to fix a car, but I know myself and Christina we don't know how to fix cars. Right, but maybe if you get a few other people that do, then it's a different formula. Now we can talk about cars and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:So it's just realizing what I am and what where I don't do well in what formulas, because there's certain herbs you don't ever want to put them in that formula because they don't do well with certain herbs and I'm realizing for myself it's not that I don't love anybody, it's just that I'm not the broken bone herb, I'm the, probably the guy like, if you're having anxiety or doing something like that, do that urban there, because I know I'll take care of you, I know how to bring you down, I know how to, like, help you out. I'm just not the guy in this formula and I don't want to be in the formula where it's like that either and it's about just knowing my own energy and then knowing other people's energy, because that's stuff of the sixth dimension, eighth dimension, whatever dimension. I just feel like I'm not a part of that because I'm finding what my purpose is is actually in this, this dimension. I wish I wasn't.
Speaker 1:I used to wish I could be in the sixth dimension. Someone told me they were in the sixth dimension in my 20s. But go my god, how'd you get there? Tell me the technique that you use to get there. But now I realize I know one day I will not be in this dimension, right, and it's actually really nice in this dimension.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like even just simple things like being holding the cat while the cat's purring or all of these little things. I'm trying, I'm finding how beautiful it was and I'm 45 only now.
Speaker 4:I was the most of the feeling stressed out you think you'll be eating figs in the sixth dimension?
Speaker 1:see how friends like that grab the top they are delicious.
Speaker 4:Down here we can experience all of this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're now taking it off of granted and then I'm not saying that I don't want to aspire to do something higher, but we are here.
Speaker 1:You know that we are here and all of the spiritual talk is kind of I'm not saying it's bad, I just feel like it doesn't resonate with me anymore.
Speaker 1:You know, like that even that thing like Samona talking about, like when people saying like, oh, there's another thing, like every time we will ever go to a meditation or something like that, this thing of like sage in a black, yeah, I feel something on your life. I don't know what's going on with you because especially, you know, when I'm in my late teens, early 20s, you thinking like wrong with me, and actually you would, I would leave more anxious. And then when I came in and I was coming in because I have anxiety, because you leave thinking like something's wrong with me, do I have like spirits attached to me? What's going on with me? You know, I mean it's only, as you keep going to these things and one day you're good, one day you're bad, you realize, oh, it's kind of just like. It's kind of like emotions. It comes in, flows, right, but like some people, they get like stuck on that and they're just like constantly reading energy, I feel like you want to make a comment on that.
Speaker 2:I think you know, I think it's, I think it's all. It's all important because it matters for someone you know. So it's it's. I think the most important thing is figure out what works for you and what is important to you and it changes and to be okay to change it.
Speaker 2:I find it difficult when I listen to someone and maybe that I know that the way I talk sometimes it sounds as if I'm all or nothing of black and white, but it's really mostly because when people ask questions I don't want to show it. You know this is out, but it's. It's really coming from a source, from an outside source of me, and the answers is strictly to the question and oftentimes the guides answer in the very cotton dry like very, very exactly what you're asking you know, sometimes they go off and whatever, without the drama.
Speaker 2:Yes, it's like you know. If you're asking a question, they're giving you the true answers to that questions with the meaning that they are. They're not interpreting. They're answering the questions. You may ask the questions with a certain intent or meaning behind it.
Speaker 2:They're not going to answer to that intent, you know they're answering to the actual question, what you're asking, because energy is all and energy, energy is about everything. So when you're, what's most important is to really keep in mind that it's whatever is out there is for people to sample and figure out whether or not it's for you or not you know, and then, and then you can go on from there.
Speaker 2:You can do whatever it is that you want. It becomes difficult when people try to convince you of what they believe. That's the hardest part, I think. That's when, then, your own private dealings are interfering with yourself. When it comes down to, you know, to staging or to protection and how people interpret energy especially like negativity or negative entities and things like that. I think it's a very it's a source object and I think it would. I'd love to explore in depth and I would love to hear opinions of others.
Speaker 2:I can share my opinion on it, but it's like I've seen it very often because I do see the entities even in. You know, anytime we get together, there's, there's always something, but doesn't mean that it's as anybody at fault, but it's. You know, they're there and look the lights are flickering. Isn't that something? I mean? Look at that, thank you. So whoever is here, please cross into the light. So they just make sure that we can go into the life for a second, and that's too funny anyway, I mean the flickering and sently so anyway, the also.
Speaker 1:Guys turn it off so it isn't I can.
Speaker 2:It's. There's so much information, information nowadays I think it's very hard for people to really understand, to know what, what to trust and what to believe. It's why I think sometimes spiritual spirituality is given such a bad name, because because then you go and you go, you know there is so much and I'll say ego, I, even though I don't believe it and it goes, not what it's, not what I'm making it sound right now, but for the sake of understanding people's egos gets in the way and so their own internal wounding is dictating what they're speaking about, what they're touching themselves to, and and yada, yada. And then there are people who are actually the intent is specifically to promote change into other people. So if they're speaking a certain truth and if they're talking like your friend, what I feel your friend is going through, it's actually there is a programming that is to do for him and his own experiences. That is actually part of his life path, but also how his way of being is interfering with other people. We're not interfering, that's a wrong word, but interacting. So there is a partnership there that he is meant to be this way at this point so that he can actually cause specific reactions into the people that he comes next to. That includes his family members. So we can't stop a person from doing that or trying to change them because they're doing that same.
Speaker 2:As my own mother specifically adopted a certain role just so that it could catapult certain changes and experiences in my life, and that on my siblings, even though, you know, obviously as a person, I wish I never had to experience any of that or any of my siblings, but unfortunately they're there, but they are the cause, also certain other things that happen afterwards, you know.
Speaker 2:So I can't just put that aside and judge it as negative, because it also it functioned, you know, in relation to that. And then I want to, I want you guys to think about this and anybody who's listening to in the future when it comes down to negativity, or anyone that deals with energy, because there is a lot of, you know, like shunning away, becoming very judgmental towards people that may feel heavy or that may feel like you know that they have a certain type of energy and that and I was thinking about it either yesterday before or did they before but I thought, you know what, you know that if we didn't have people that were willing to be trash men, people. They were willing. I know there is another word for it, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry if I'm not being politically correct but, can't remember the name that is, they use nowadays sonatation workers. So my apologies, but because the sanitation workers we don't have to deal with the trash that we actually produce. We produce the trash and the sanitation worker take it away. We also produce negative energy all the freaking time, all the time any thought that you're thinking that it's not in alignment with your true self. So if you're having insecurities, any thoughts associated to security, to any of your wounding jealousy, to you being upset or said or anything like that, produces a certain negative load yeah, that you know.
Speaker 2:And if you think about the amount of time that you spend in a certain attitude, in a certain state of being Hannah more free, how you, you know, even, just even just out of percentages, what percentage of your day do you spend in joyfulness, gratitude, happiness and love, and what percentage you actually spend into all the other things that you know require a huge load of negativity. And where do you think that negativity goes? It gets accumulated, and when it gets accumulated, it forms these blob of energy then then they take a consciousness and then they become these entities. But you were the creator. But yet there's people who are there that actually willing to gather that trash and remove it and get rid of it, and it's let me tell you, it's enormously taxing on these people, but there are some, and I'm one of those that actually takes care of that do you feel like there's people that do it unconsciously as well of?
Speaker 2:course, it's always unconscious, you know. It's not that we stop and think, but yet. But I don't want people to think to start judging themselves. I want you to think that, yes, we can produce good energy. We're like a body. We have it negative sides and the positive sides. You need both and you can't help it. Sometimes we're using negativity and sometimes we're just positivity, but don't judge someone from having more negativity than yourself or in any other way. I'm not just looking at you for, but just no idea, but it's.
Speaker 2:It's more into understanding that probably that person is in a state of mind, a state of being, that maybe you know that whatever they're going through is their journey and their story and whatever, but that in our own world we produce trash all the time, every day. Yeah, and there are people. Yes, they get paid for it, but it's a job. It's not the best job, in many different ways, you know, but we have people to do that. So that's at least how I feel about it.
Speaker 1:With that being said, well, I don't feel like it's a judgment.
Speaker 2:What I'm, what I'm, what I'm saying is I think I'm tired of the judgment yes, and this is why I said and I wasn't referring no, no, no, I didn't, it was more to indicate that I think people should start looking at him more in that way in that directions and to thinking that you know, it's a product of just being and we all contribute to it.
Speaker 2:It's a contribution, so, and not to look at it as you can say it's not, for me it's, and I'm not saying that you can't say that, but don't. But, yes, the judgment is definitely not the me that I find that a lot of spiritual people have towards the negative entities and they want, or negativity in general, they want, to shun away from people that may have more or less than others, especially like we live in a world where, like, I'm constantly in contact with people, yeah, they're constantly sharing their feelings or constantly telling me things.
Speaker 1:So a lot of times it's almost like a drop-off station, right. They come over there in a room with me, they unload their stuff and then they go. So I kind of find it it's very normal that I'm gonna walk out on my day when I come home from work. I probably have stuff around me, but I can't you can't be like responsible for everything that you attach to as you're walking around, right. I always think of that story.
Speaker 1:There's a story, a disciple of San Frangesco de Paolo, what look like a story about his life, like a biography. And there's a story where there's this little girl that gets possessed by the spirit and they go come to get some frangiscos to. You know, take the spirit out, a little girl. So he starts having a conversation with the spirit and he's like what are you doing inside that little girl? And the spirit says I wasn't doing anything. He goes I was hanging on the woods with the crows. He's like I was with the crows, she went through me and it's nice, so why would I leave? I get to be, I get there, like you know, and he's like put in then somebody, just like whatever he gets rid of, right.
Speaker 1:But I always thought that story was so interesting because it's not that the spirit went looking for it, it's just like you were there and I got attached to you, right, and so a Lot of. I don't think it's, and I think just some people just have an energy where they can pick up a lot you know what I mean and and some people for whatever, don't you know. But I also believe I'm not responsible for what I'm picking up or maybe I am and I'm not, you know whatever, but I'm, I know I'm not aware of.
Speaker 1:What I'm not aware of is what I'm trying to say, but I am aware of my own thoughts. I Am, I am aware of the own negativity that I'm creating. And what do I do with that? Because I do know if I get angry at something at work and I come home and I'm in a pissy mood, eason, they look at it right away, they pick up on it right away and the changes, the whole mood of the house, and that I feel responsible for because I was aware of it and I and I still walked in the house, right that yeah and sometimes I feel like that's worse than Like a spirit, you know, or whatever some entity, and Because it's an entity in itself, but I'm saying that an entity that I picked up, my presugee yeah, it's, it's true, it's kind of it's more easy to get rid of then.
Speaker 2:Your own feeling changing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because you have to.
Speaker 2:You have to change the way you feel and if you.
Speaker 2:You get upset about something. You know how long does it take a person to get over something that you're upset about, and it can be anywhere from minutes to hopefully, and To maybe an hour to days. You know, imagine the time, the amount of energy that you're producing, if you're spend, if you're consumed by something for days. That's energy, and whether it's positive or negative energy, you're, you're producing that, you know. And yeah, it affects people. It affects the people closest to you, but it can affect people on the other side. There is times, what was it we had? I don't remember the experience now, but more often than not, I, usually I will feel a person's. They're there in trouble. You know, if they're just thinking about me, they don't. Vicinity has nothing to do with it. It doesn't matter whether they're their next door, whether they're on the other side of the world, they will. You can feel it. Now. Most people probably have not aware how much they're actually feeling of the, the energy, the shifts of energy or the quality of the energy and what you're picking up. And why are you feeling a certain way? I feel the kids are extremely susceptible to that. They're more aware of it and they they kind of it hits him really quickly, you know, because no more used to having been into that joyfulness, happy type of as long as they're having a happy, you know life on life and that kind of thing. And so if they're, if when a parent gets upset for a child, at least up to there, about eight, nine years old, maybe ten, they'll feel it more because in they'll sense it more often. There's a lot of parents that they they'll say oh, my kids knows when I'm upset, my kids know how I feel, you know, they can read me and that kind of thing. But it's more because they're not More intuitive, they're just more open. There they usually ride the wave of a more joyful existence and so when they're crossing paths with the thick, the thickness of some of these energies, then they feel it and it affects them in changing.
Speaker 2:You can't think that, you know, I think people don't understand how much energy, energy is around us and how much it affects you. So if it thought so, let's say, take this, for example you can't think that, what, what upsets you if you got upset about a situation, and so now you have an emotion that you're holding on to because it really upset you, because some, someone did something to you that has physiological effect to your own body and your own brain. It changes your brain chemistry. It also changes your Neuroplasticity of your brain. There is scientific proof of this that you know. If you are in a state of mind like anxiety and depression especially, you know, or any type of Emotional state, it your brain memorizes starts changing, adopting to that emotional state. And if it can change your physical, your physicality, it can change your chemistry and it also changes, you know, how you feel.
Speaker 2:Why are we so reluctant to think that it doesn't change energetically, that it's not affecting? And when is the our energy stopping? Is it, like you know, a few feet from our body? Is it long, more than that it's like? Why can't we just kind of accept the fact that it's actually a much larger bubble and that if it is Affecting our physical body, which is comprised of cells and membranes and fluids and blood and all that kind of thing, how is it that we find it difficult to think that it's not affecting our energy being and that will affect someone else's as well, you know?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think maybe she pay, I don't know. I just think that she passed. I Don't know why it happened like that. Like who am I in?
Speaker 5:Dean is life, but I do, I'm saying as her spirit like, what was she like in limba?
Speaker 2:maybe, probably, I don't know usually if they're not, if they're not, you don't have to be guided, sometimes they'll just. You know you you'll go there. But if what I know, most people will get stuck like they'll miss the light, but don't miss like the calling or the window, if you want to say it that way, especially if they're passing with heavy Emotions, like a fear, if they're in a state of fear, if they're anxious about dying, if they are, they have, especially if they feel regret and they don't have a chance to voice their regrets with the family members and or Any type of, you know, emotions like that.
Speaker 1:So we cut and we stopped it for a while, but that's because we had, like, some stuff going on. Yeah, and then?
Speaker 2:you cleared it?
Speaker 1:Yes so Again, like I don't. I'm not looking at clearing things as like, oh, that's bad. I'm saying like, but judging what's getting cleared, I Like I feel like I'm not resonating with that anymore, where before I did I had this very Almost like Christian approach, like there's something negative. I need to get rid of it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and now I don't look at it like that. It's just like to me it feels like everything in some way is seeking love. Right, and that's what it is. At least that's where I am now. You know it's maybe, yeah, so we talk maybe different. So at least for myself, and if I'm clearing something I always use either like a bell or I use like some type of sage or something like that. But I noticed with you you never do no kind of just sit there.
Speaker 2:Yes, so what are?
Speaker 1:you doing internally?
Speaker 2:I comment on my guides and we start working into Designing these beings to wherever they belong. Okay, so, oh, whatever needs to happen with them, I don't necessarily do the work, I'm just the witness, really in there.
Speaker 2:And just gonna make sure but, what I know is especially, you know it's not as much Again, I don't look at it as on the negative side. It's just what I know the effect that they, they can cause in the person, and I'm not saying this so people have to fear it. There's nothing to fear about it. And yes, if you, if they find they always look for a little bit, they are opportunistic, so they will look for an easy way in, if you know, depending upon also the type I don't know how much.
Speaker 1:You know, even a living thing, it doesn't mean Exactly yes.
Speaker 2:It just like that. So I look at them as as microbes. You know Viruses and microbes. I mean you can't help it living in the world, not being exposed to a foreign agent. You touch it, you know you go and touch a handle or whatever. We know we have to wash our hands. So in the same sense, I always tell people you still have to clean your energy in a way or the other. So if you take a shower, you brush your teeth and you know you take care of your body that way, you also have to take care of your energy, and there are so many things out there that you can do.
Speaker 2:But sound is actually one of the fastest thing that actually helps with this more than saging, in my opinion, especially the. You know it depends, but I think also it depends on the person's belief. So what we're? We were talking about manifestation, christina, when you've asked a couple times your belief into what is supposed to happen or not, we definitely have control over that. And then also, you have to take in consideration your life path and whatever it is that you decided you were gonna experience around that type of thing. So there's different facts are on it.
Speaker 2:But I don't take it as See, I don't necessarily believe in entity as well, because it's a part of creation, of a belief. There are certain, there are too many people to believe in that kind of thing, whether it's like white magic, black magic, you know, whatever. I don't even want to call on it because I don't care, but because of the people believe in it, I'm also experiencing the presence of meaning, that it's, it's part of this world. So I think I may have said this already, but it's just like going to a foreign country and being exposed to that.
Speaker 1:So I remember, you know, in our culture right, we have the maloque, right, yes, and even in layla's culture they have like the evil lot of Middle Eastern countries like the evil line, stuff like that.
Speaker 1:So I remember, actually, layla and I were just dating, like we just fell in love, blah, blah, blah. And I'm gonna tell the story just for the point of the story. So we were dating and we would meditate together, right, and one day we're meditating and I fall asleep and I wake up I don't know three, four in the morning and Layla's gone and then. So then when I talked to her and we're talking, I'm like I had the strangest dream last night. He's like yes, so did I, and we both had a very similar dream that we were both in this house and this house had like a creepy, like energy about it. It was almost like the end. The house itself was like possessed or something.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it was just some random house, so, okay, that's kind of just a bit right.
Speaker 1:But then, for like almost two weeks after that, it felt like Layla and I, we like when we were together, it felt like we couldn't connect and almost felt like we were together but we were distant and like what the hell? Like it was, it was like palpable. You know, I didn't mean and like it was weird because, like I'm newly in love with this person, right, and I was thinking that she was too, but not yet. And then so when, what happened was? We started talking like what happened, like because we both were we're expressing the same feeling, right, and then Layla said we, I don't know how we came about, like it all started after that night that she left the house. We fell asleep, meditators. She got up and she went home and we fell asleep and we were both feeling like tired, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So we go back to that night and we're talking about that night, and then we go back to that dream. I'm like, yeah, like don't you find it weird to be had like almost the same, exact? We started talking about the dream and how similar it was, and then Layla said what?
Speaker 1:My dream? There was a bed and like you know, like the houses where they, there's like an indent in the wall, like usually likes people put like a statue of Mary or something like that. She said in that wall there was like a note on it and in that note, in that paper, it kind of told you how to get rid of this thing. And Layla was looking at it. She's like, oh my god, eggs, which means nothing to me, but in her culture they use eggs to get rid of the evil eye. Okay, right, yes, so her and her grandma does it. So her grandma did whatever she did. But I'm telling you yeah.
Speaker 1:I didn't even know when she did it, but I knew because I felt something happened. I was like at work when I could feel like it was like something changed. So when I told my friend this, because I was living, I was living in a house with a high school friend of mine and he's like that will never happen to me and I said what? How can you say that it was? It's easy, I don't believe in it and I wonder how true that is, because I find truth in that. But I also find truth in what you said. It's like, even if you don't want to believe, even if you don't believe in it, it still exists because of how many people do believe in it Exactly right.
Speaker 4:Yeah my question would be Think about all the people that do get possessed. Every single one of them believe that you could get possessed. Is there one or two that are just innocent, but they got possessed just the same.
Speaker 1:Well, it was say that. Again, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4:I mean, I'm agreeing with what you're saying, but I'm also thinking of all of people that got possessed by some kind of spirit. I'm totally about a bad one. Did all of them believe that it is possible? Or someone just was simply living their life and then all of a sudden they got possessed. So not believing in something doesn't mean it's not true or it can't happen. To you, I guess, is what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, no, I understand what you're trying to say. I don't know anybody like. If we're talking about possession, possession like the church, the Catholic possession I'm not familiar with anybody with. That doesn't mean that I I haven't dealt with what we would consider the type of being that does possession. What I know is that they will use any entity that has, that is more. I Don't say I've danced, engineered or you know anyway, any of these entities that they will use. They go immediately go into your subconscious and it will use Everything that they can, all the ammunitions that you can possibly provide Associated to belief, that you may have had, even when you were a child, old fears.
Speaker 2:Don't make sure that even if you have one percent of fear, don't turn the heat up on that fear to the point that it becomes a thousand percent. If you have like a little bit of an anxiety, it'll become like a heated anxiety. It will render you especially on emotional level, as if you are. You go from being extremely happy to being completely depressed.
Speaker 2:I've actually seen, having worked as as a nurse, I've seen people that where they came like to an emergency room settings where there were in a pretty bad situation, emotional situation, where there was actually an entity was the cause of that and Usually when I see that, I make sure that I clear it because it's a terrible and horrible thing to go through for that person. Often time, when they get to that point, that thing has been on them for months, years may be even. Often time people don't know that they may have an entity on them because the only thing they feel is pain. Chronic pain is one of the number one Association. In my view, stomach issues is also one of the number one issues, along with anxiety and depression.
Speaker 5:A lot of our chronic I know I was diagnosed as and it was coming flying around you, what I clear before?
Speaker 2:it just kept buzzing. It kept coming here and then coming around you and I knew was.
Speaker 5:About two years ago. It was really bad, I think, or public. I couldn't go to work, I could not walk out of my house for months, I guess my question is and like so I have a medication and it's helped me a lot.
Speaker 2:So I guess my question is so, if I just had you clear it, I need medication, you know, to be like huh, yes, possibly, yes, yeah, but it doesn't mean that it's for everybody that experiences those things as the cause of it. It's for some, yes, and I'm sorry if I didn't say that.
Speaker 2:It's not, but it isn't. But once you're in that place, when you are, you know you're your fear at a base level, it's it compared, you know it involves the majority of your time, of your day, life, then that makes you more prone to being found by these type of entities, you know. And then that they will make it a hundred times worse. All right, yeah, yes, for you, that was it started as a. There was a cause that also brought you because you, you know, I hope it's, I can say this but they're showing that you did therapy, or that you did follow through with also therapy, which has helped highlight things that you needed to work on. So the purpose of of that situations were for you was for you to heal what you needed to heal, which you did really good that like 80% of it is gone. So, yeah, are you done? Fantastic. So it wasn't necessarily.
Speaker 2:Even if I cleared you, probably I would have cleared it for like a minute and then we would have gone into talking about the things that you worked into your therapy anyway, and you still would have had to go, go through some, some steps of it. You know, and I don't even know if, at that time when it first starts. When the first person first starts going through things like that, it starts with the fear so pervasive. Most often they don't want to. They don't want to talk about the things that will help them get out of that. They have a bit of a resistance towards that. So if it's not the right time for you to do the work that I usually do, I'll know and I will probably tell you anyway. And you know that would be. I would probably say you're not ready to go there because if you don't shift, but for you at that time, what I'm seeing and what I'm hearing, you couldn't you know. It was exactly, kind of when, exactly how I needed to go. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:Sure and this is another story that it seems a little, but it has to deal with this, but I think those are the best stories, yeah, so when I moved back from Italy, obviously I was like what the hell am I doing back home?
Speaker 1:because I liked it out there and then I got into a very, very bad relationship. Like it was very toxic for me and it was hard for me to get out of it. Like it was tough. So anyway, I did. But she was like very, you know, like like it was so bad, like I felt like when I would come home from their house I would always feel like I was gonna see that the wheel like it was bad, right so?
Speaker 1:so anyway, I ended up breaking out with finally whatever, but during that time I ended up getting my disease Right.
Speaker 2:So I had to get my disease but no, no.
Speaker 1:I'm seeing the states, so you know. So it was like during the summer. I get lined like at the end of the summer that winter, so we're gonna go from September, whatever, till whenever sort of snowing. At the time I was obviously working for my dad and my speaking, so I'll go snowclimbing. Same routine. We're doing these commercial properties, my dad's in the truck, I'm doing the shoveling. I go around the back of the shovel, I mean of the back of the Recall it, the building. As I'm walking around the building, leo, I feel something go like this Into my chest right and I was wearing I don't know how you say in English, or thought like a.
Speaker 1:One-z let those mechanic onesies over, like my sweaters and stuff. When that happened, when I felt that bang, I feel like I had to get out of my clothes, and I was like struggling to get out of my clothes. And not just that, I was marking off all the customers that we were doing, like one by one. So I had a piece of a little high marker, like ankle my hand, and I was going crazy, get snow trying to rub it Like. I immediately went into this weird panic. Right from that day on, all I could think about is killing myself, like throwing myself in the traffic, like the worst things.
Speaker 1:But he was going through his own Depri. He was telling me about his own depression of like all this crazy stuff, about him being suicidal and all these things, and and all I can think about is having my hand on the thing that I'm gonna jump out in the traffic and I'm like just doing that the only thing would. It is because what's my family gonna feel if I did? But that's how bad it was. I couldn't sleep, heart palpitations, everything. The only thing that got me through is at nighttime. Even at four o'clock in the morning I wasn't sleeping. I would just stay up and do my martial art forms in my mind.
Speaker 1:But the main thing that helped me was, no matter what, every time it got bad I feel like I was gonna leave the house and harm myself. I would see a chicken what do you call chicken? Okay, go red tail Hawk, outside my window, on the tree or on the wire and something about that. I always got this feeling that was Archangel Michael looking out for me and telling me just hold on, just hold on. And Like it was hard to hold on, like it was hard, but little by little I started getting better and then finally it got away.
Speaker 1:It went away now the following year, like it went into maybe most of all of winter, into like mid-spring, and then finally started like the taper away, but like it was really bad. I was claustrophobic palpitations, blah, blah, blah. So it started to taper away. I'm gonna fast forward to the following winter. It snows. I'm back again doing the same exact thing, right, so it's like triggering, it brings it up. But that time, when I was walking around, this time I stopped and they said I could feel it. You know, you feel like the neck hair on your neck sitting up, and maybe it's because I was in that same spot. That's what called on that energy, I don't know.
Speaker 4:Yeah, but there was nothing there physically, but I started saying out loud.
Speaker 1:I said I don't know why you wanted to kill me. I don't know why, but you couldn't do it. And I said I walked away the following year. So now this is a third year. Same thing. It's snowing, we're doing the same thing. I'm going around. This time I feel it. I feel it behind me and it felt big like Seven, eight feet. And I turn around and I hear in my mind say If you ever need me, let me know, like that. And I said no, thank you, I'm okay. Like that. That was it. Now I'm gonna fast forward, maybe five years later, maybe more. Now I'm an acupuncture test at this point.
Speaker 1:I'm married, I'm running my meditation classes and there's this young kid, a teenager, that he would come and I could see he had a lot of anxiety and stuff like that. But he comes. One day came late he always used to come late and he comes in people sitting around the circle, the thing and he walks across the room in front of me and he goes to sit down like near me and as he's walking like I said, I'm not usually visual I see this thing with him. Almost look like a weird dog Right with him, but the thing that weird dog saw that I could see it. And when I saw it could see it, it got like me looking and right away, out of nowhere, that I didn't think about it in years Was that thing? It like just appeared that big thing and just said you just let me know and I'll take care of him, like like a street fight, like you let me know and I will do something.
Speaker 1:And I said no because the fact that it saw me like that knows that it's days are up and it's not allowed to stay here with them. So we'll pray for him and I did prayers for him and it went away. But I never saw that thing again, nothing. But I know, even now when I talk, I can feel it. I can feel, but it's weird. It's like you tried to kill me and now you're like my friend and like it's there. You know what I mean.
Speaker 4:No, I actually feel that I don't feel that it isn't, but I just see it pop up.
Speaker 2:It's. I was gonna say it's that this is how energy works, because we're talking. We're talking about something. In the past right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're talking about something in the past. We started with the chills as soon as you know. I started with me or Christina, and then it went to you, leila, and then it's like the more you went there. This is why sometimes I try not to really go back into because, especially, things haven't been closed or doubt. With the moment you think about the situation of the person or whatever you, just you meet, you created that connection and it's like it doesn't matter at what point in time, what there's past, present or future. You're making that connection and it's gonna happen. I've watched shows on TV about like those hunting, haunting type of shows and they're showing houses or even horror movies or Whatever that may have. They may have, it may have been filmed like ten years prior and I will, you know, see the entity, see the being in there and immediately connect to it. And if I don't go at work on it, it's just it starts coming through the TV into the house and it's like Jesus. Lord, you know.
Speaker 1:My one, cause I'm gonna get rid of this right now, because it's yeah, yeah well, I guess the reason I brought I didn't bring it up just no, no, what I brought it up with was for Remember, I told you the story of something just with a little girl in the woods. Yeah, I brought that up because that's how I kind of felt. I don't feel like that thing was trying to attach us to me. I just walked into that's how I felt, because it was a kind of nowhere, just went boom and I was weak. I was going through a lot of emotional turmoil at the time trying to figure myself out. So it was like, okay, it's opportunity. But then why did it feel like it? Like what I guess, like you know, like in psychology they talk about like making things your ally, like negative, negative things or your trauma into something, into like you're running it around. Yeah, and I wonder if that was something similar in a different way, and I guess that's why I wanted to ask you.
Speaker 2:I don't feel I haven't found that to be the only time. That I found that to be the case is the very few times that the inner child Actually became an entity. The inner child took over the person so much and became in charge of everything, and when I tried to work with the person to get to and to implement changes that were beneficial to that person, the inner child became like this entity that was fighting me into, into preventing the changes from occurring because it was taking care of the person and making sure to keep them safe. And at that point then it becomes a little bit of a struggle to get you know. But I've seen that and that's you know. That's the only time that I would say that with experience, that who you're talking about to I feel like it's a what I would call, like I'm on their tongue not to tell it anyway.
Speaker 2:It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what it is, you know, but but I don't think it was what it was trying to do with you, like it does with a lot of people. It's just they use what already is within yourself and they bring it out more. It's financially More pronounced and then they do that and the will, the wanting to kill yourself. It's like a weirdest thing, because you don't really have a reason. Or if you feel like you're Depressed, but you have no reason to be depressed, because yesterday we're completely happy and all of a sudden you're in this weird Going looking down at that, no, and you're like, and you can definitely follow through with all that very easily. They're extremely good at manipulating the way we feel things and, and you know, thoughts, emotions and all that it's extremely pervasive. Yeah, in that, very sad too, because it's, you know, because you don't realize it. I don't think people realize it at the time, you know yeah so it's very sad.
Speaker 2:I'm sure you've had. You know people. When you see things right. Yeah.
Speaker 5:Just because I've experienced a lot of things that you've experienced. However, for me it's like a flip of a switch where I felt fine, and then I feel a heat in my. It either travels, it's like in my back, and it either comes off into my head or goes down into my but, and from that moment on, it's like it's like everything just has changed for me, yeah, it's like I feel depressed that feels To see from a Chinese, medical or Dallas perspective that what you said is quite it's a wind point. Yeah, that's where it enters.
Speaker 2:Yes, well, that's where we channel to, that's when I have people coming in, when they, you know, connect with me in that way, if they, the entrance is right at the neck, right below the skull, and so they'll also come. You know, anything can enter from, not not the as easily. It's a very guarded point and it's along the spine. If you felt it going down to your sacros, because that's where you know You're, the seat of the soul is. It's connected to your brain and all that. It functions together with your, you know, with everything. But one thing I wanted to say I.
Speaker 1:Believe it.
Speaker 2:Let's not say that.
Speaker 1:Because, but, she wasn't doing well, I would go over every day to like do acupuncture without yeah. And every time I was walking in the house I pretend to Christine, I pretend I was talking to the neighbors and I would just think it's just a really bad case of edge.
Speaker 2:Oh my god, but you've noticed. I don't know if you notice, but because of that experience you actually you're into it, you're a lot more intuitive. Have you not noticed that? You know for you different yeah. Yeah, you definitely.
Speaker 5:It was a process to open you up interesting that you say that, because during that time I wasn't working. Yeah, honestly, very hard for me. I hear you.
Speaker 5:But I had dreams, yeah, where I would be with friends or a family and, yeah, maybe like that the carnival or something, and I would spot like a car breeder and I feel like I don't want to go get my car bread. And as I walk up to the car breeder Everyone else would kind of disappear and like they would give me such Information that I would you know. It felt like so real to me, yeah, but the things would be that what I would wake up, I would like I would remember the whole process of the dream, but I don't remember what they told me.
Speaker 5:Yeah, it's happened a few times, yeah, during that time.
Speaker 2:It happens a lot more often. We just don't get to remember it, but it does happen a lot more often for you.
Speaker 5:So you're definitely they felt so real like someone was telling me like a fortune or like yeah, tell me something.
Speaker 1:That's so cool. Yeah, did you guys notice, when we started talking about this stuff, how all our energy changed? Yes, yes, the whole room.
Speaker 2:It's it's. It's interesting how and I'm pretty sure, not a pretty sure I know that a lot of people they're listening are gonna go up and down with the, you know, with the energy as we're talking and probably affected by it.
Speaker 3:So but I think it's good to talk about it. Yes, it is.
Speaker 4:Yes it is, you can run about it. Yeah, so you say the change to the room, I feel lighter.
Speaker 2:Yes, there's that, but there's also a shift like a different Quality to it. Also, our King Joe, like there is a when it was our King Joe Michael and met the from first, and now there's more like our King Joe Gabriel and Rafael. Padre P is always with you, so he's always around. You know, there is, it goes in and out of different realms. It's not just for us, it's also for whoever is listening to, like you. What I love about what we're doing is that the people that need to hear will find it and then they're already embedding the, just the listening like it. Just by listening the people, people will get whatever they need out of it. You know. You know it doesn't have to be majestic or major, just needs to be just a tiny little bit. You only need a seed. You know, to grow a tree we just need one seed.
Speaker 2:I I've mentioned this story before. I don't know if you guys you and Christina know this story before, but just to tell you the difference perspective about energy. So I grew up Catholic and was a huge believer in it and again, as I think I said last time, for me, mother Mary, jesus and God as energy being, they would actually show themselves to me growing up all the time and I would call upon them, but more from a Catholic standpoint you're not from the understanding of anything else but they were my companion and in my early 20s this was in Italy I became a nurse and I was working at this one Actually, I'm sorry, it was in Italy, I was here in this country. I came in this country and then I started working as a nurse and I think it was closer to my 30s and I was working at this one hospital and I had two patients that were in the process of passing in this one floor, one that had all their family members with them and one that didn't was. She was all alone. And I remember feeling so bad for that patient because she was going through the process and you know it was her time and they were both elderly patients and I remember going into but they were both mine and I would go into the one with all the family members and they were all around them and they were taking care of her and doing whatever they need to do. And then I would go into the other one and she was always by herself and one of the time that I went in she said hey, you know, I really need to talk to you. If you get a minute, you know, can you talk to me? And I said, sure, and you know I did as much as I could for people at that time, and still do. And every time that I went in, either I didn't have enough time to do, you know, to actually talk to her, or I would go in and she was asleep, or she was busy eating, or there was something else that you know something. Somebody would come in and look for me, and you know, and then I had to run away and do something else. So I never got a chance and I ended my shifts and I was like I went in the last time to make sure to see if she was awake so we could talk about whatever she wanted to talk about. And she was sleeping. So I went home.
Speaker 2:Well, that night I had a dream and I was dreaming that I was walking into the room of this one patient that was in the process of dying all by herself, and I walk in and there is this gentleman dressed beautifully in this white, beautiful, impeccable, you know, outfit, and he had a, he had even like a fedora hat, he had a cane and he looked absolutely majestic, beautiful man right, and he looks up, makes eye contact with me and his eyes turn red and he says you're too late, she's mine now, right. And I knew immediately what that was and I immediately felt like I didn't see myself. So I knew I've had those dreams before where you actually, because you're not seeing yourself, it's like as if you're seeing through a window, so you're kind of part of the dream, you're actually experiencing a dream, and I pulled myself out and I woke up and I looked at the time and it was like two, two, ten or two, fifteen around that time and I I was a little bit shooken up because I was like no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, it didn't mean anything. You know, I was like no, no, it didn't mean anything. And I go to work the next day and I found out that both women had died around two o'clock in the morning and I had the dream and that you know the person that was all alone, she actually died by herself and I really felt that she needed to get something off her chest and that if she had had an opportunity it was it would have been probably for a better, you know, aspect for herself.
Speaker 2:Now, I don't necessarily believe that there is a what is it called like an inferno or like a, you know, purgatory and things like that, but I do believe that we get opportunities to transition into the next side. You know, in one way or the other, I do feel that perhaps that instance was definitely, was real, it did happen, where there was an entity whichever type of entity you want to call it, but that because of my belief at that time, I actually still believed in the church. It was presented to me that way because of my belief, you know, but it still was an interesting, I'll never forget it. It was an interesting, you know, experience that I had. I don't know what do you guys think about that?
Speaker 5:Well, do you think that what you saw in your dream could have been just like not necessarily like something from the like? Oh, I'm pulling her into hell. You know what I mean? Maybe it was like a part of herself, that like she wanted to talk to you and get something on her chest, and so she didn't have that opportunity. So that's what that thing was.
Speaker 2:Yes, I do believe that there is a little bit of a.
Speaker 5:Because at first, when you said, I was like the demon.
Speaker 2:I do think actually it was the entity that we called the devil in per se. I do believe it was that presence. I do believe it was that presence, but it may not necessarily. But we have a misrepresentation because of the church, of that being per se. Okay, at least from my understanding at this time, at this point in time in my life, it was a true experience because of the quality of the dream, and usually when I dream that way, it has it's very different than your subconscious dreaming. I know what that is like. You know this one is like, it's very like. You're there, you feel the room and it's like you feel everything and I can. I know that I'm dreaming and I pull myself out. I've had many of those. I feel that it was.
Speaker 2:It came that way, probably from my own experience, because it was really close to the time that then I started thinking I needed to do this job. At that point I hadn't decided, I didn't want anything to do with spirituality in that sense. So I feel that it was in function of helping me transition into that role, but it also was, I think, in function of her and for me to understand that there is a point in time that sometimes you can help people transition to death, and that was part of like for me to decide whether or not I wanted to be. I wanted to be part of that role of helping people transition into the other side, whichever way of role that was, so can I? Yeah, go for it.
Speaker 1:I would ask you, like how did you feel? I'm not trying to no, no, go for it. But did you feel guilty? For afterwards I feel like I didn't help.
Speaker 2:No, not really, because what I was thinking was more about my experience, more with my mother and my father and my father-in-law. I often, because of the way she is, that I wonder if she were to die alone, if this is what she would experience, and whether or not. What is our responsibility in regards to? You know, how long do you hold on to If it's relative, like your parents? How long do you hold on to? You know, if you're trying not to be influenced by your parents or I don't even know how to say this Like for me, my struggle at that point was I was starting to feel like I wanted to put distance between my mother and I and right now I do and I have completely a peace with it, meaning that I haven't talked to her in years and I'm completely fine with it. But at that time I was questioning whether or not I should, as a role of a good daughter, as a role of you know, this is the parents and the responsibility or the respect that you need to bring to the parent, to the parental unit, you know, if you want to say that way, and so I was questioning more.
Speaker 2:If that were to happen, how would I feel? What would be? Would I be able to live with myself if I wasn't present, you know? And if I knew that my mother had passed without anybody around her and that you know, in that way, would I be okay with that? I think that was also for me to experience. In that sense, is that I don't know? At least that's what I'm thinking. Is that what you asked? I don't remember now what you asked.
Speaker 1:No, but it's a sufficient act. Okay, I mean, you were just telling me where you were at at that time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't remember the question now, so Did you feel bad for? Not for not maybe being there for that woman. No, I think it was more like, you know, I didn't know this story of her. So I remember having a lot of these thoughts Like I didn't know this story and I was really curious.
Speaker 3:You kind of took the story of your mom on there.
Speaker 2:Yes, on to her because I figured that if she's there and she has no relatives, because what I heard from other nurses is that the family didn't refuse to come even though they knew that she was dying so that's the part of peace that I didn't say, so there was a complete shunning of the family member towards this woman and that she also had been a difficult person to deal with for other nurses, but for me she wasn't, and so you know, it made me think a lot about here.
Speaker 2:There is an example of someone whose family didn't put him aside and there's by their side and helping them through the transition, and here's an alone person who the outside is saying all this, but I don't know her for that. I know her as a sweet person to me and we've been. You know, we had no problem and no problem with her and I understood her pain, you know, and it made me think a lot about how we judge people because they hurt us and whether or not you know it's like is it really right to do all this or is it? You know, how far do we allow someone to hurt ourselves, even though, you know, I don't know if I'm making any sense in that, but it made me think a lot about how I was trying to position myself as my own parent and with this example of two opposite that were happening at the same time and what it would mean. You know, I think it had a lot to do with, because it made me think a lot about that afterwards.
Speaker 1:But it sounds like a bunch of you came to peace. Yes, I did.
Speaker 2:Yes, perfectly, yes, perfectly at peace. But that was like maybe 10 years later, you know. But it's that that stayed with me and I was grateful for the experience because it opened my eyes to you know that sometimes you don't know, you don't know who the person is gone, and if you don't know what they did, can you be kind to them without knowing what they did? You know it's like, are you? Why is it that we can be kind to someone? Because we don't know who they were up until that moment. We just know them for that moment, as like KJ Michael right there, and we're capable of doing that because we don't know the history yet the family members may not be able to give them that same kindness. And it made me think a lot about that. You know, I thought about that a lot.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's difficult, right, because it's like the people that show you, kind of. What we were talking about before is that the people that don't show you the kindness or the people that kind of bring you the pressure in life. It's also what kind of makes you do things like that. When you were talking about Christina, what she was going through, it kind of helped make her go a certain way, make her go to therapy and look into things. And it's interesting, right, because if you don't, then we don't do anything and I don't know. It's very interesting.
Speaker 1:I don't remember if I told this. I know I talked to Layla about it before. Maybe I said to you guys last time, but one time I was thinking about like, alright, if I'm doing something, and then I get harder on myself, if I feel like I'm down on myself about something, right, or just down in general about whatever, and it's like, well, I'm not suffering like that kid in Africa I did talk about that, right, and I feel like it's the same scenario, right. It's. That thing is like do you let it go and leave it untouched or do you do something about it? Like you know with, I think the only thing is no matter what if it's in your face? You've always got to show loving kindness to it, because that's all there really is.
Speaker 2:I mean, and also, as you know, if anybody that meets like I'll bring my mother, for example, people from this side of the country won't be able to do that, but they'll think she's a lovely person and she's, you know, and they'll do whatever they need to do for her and I do hope that she gets that when she gets you know, whatever time she needs.
Speaker 2:But as a daughter, as a person who has understood and experienced a lot of not very good things from this person, you know it's I have chosen to put that distance for my own sake and whether or not it's affecting her in whichever way, I need to take care of my sake. It took me a long time to make me a priority and to over, in my past, the training and the conditioning of respecting your elders or to you know, you have to kind of submit to your parents all the time, and I know that there's a lot of people that struggle with that, you know. And when do you do that and is there a right to do so? I think it's personal to everybody. You know, whatever subjective choice you need to make, you make, and it took a lot before I got to this morning, but the moment that I made that choice. That was that. You know.
Speaker 1:That's the conversation I was having this morning was about, like when you're on like this path or you know self-cultivation or whatever you want to call it. I was using the example of that famous Sufi story where the kid goes to the Sufi is looking for the Sufi saint that I tell this story I don't even know. So he goes looking for the Sufi saint in this village and then he gets to the house. He knocks on the door. The guy's wife answers the door and the kid's like hey, I'm looking for a master or so and so, and the lady's like he's not here, it's time to door his face. So he knocks again. I'm sorry, I just I came a really long way to meet this man. Please can I see this guy? He's not here. I told you already he's out somewhere. Like just get out of here. He's slammed the door. Then he knocks again and she answers the door. She goes listen, he's not here. Even if he was, why would I let you talk in? Just get the fuck out of here. And slams the door on his face, right?
Speaker 1:So now he's upset and he's walking around the village and this man sees him and says you know what's the matter? He's like I came all this way. I'm looking for this master, blah, blah, blah and he goes oh yeah, I just saw him. He's in the woods collecting firewood. So the kid hears that and he runs into the woods looking for this man. And then the story you hear a different version of one, like he's sitting on top of a lion. The other ones, like they say he has this beautiful aura, whatever it is, but he sees the master and recognizes him upon seeing him. Like this man's a master and he walks over. But he can only think of one thing right, why is he married to this motherfucker? And then the master kind of reads his mind and he just looks at him and says that's my practice.
Speaker 1:So what I guess what I was this conversation was before was when you're up against something that's this opposing energy, when is it that you keep on going Because it is a practice and when is it that you're like you know I'm done with this and I don't know what's the answer to that. I guess that for myself right now, the answer would be you feel it, you feel like I'm done with this now and I can move on. I think you're kind of there now, well, talking about what we were talking about before we started.
Speaker 4:Yeah, Because I think for me I kind of went through a similar thing as for me, so I realized that I no longer want to pursue certain things, but it's just a reason that I got all the answers that I need. I'm okay with it and that's it. I'm sorry, I kind of phase.
Speaker 2:I.
Speaker 4:Daydream. No, I'm in and out. I don't know what's going on with me, but I think I want to edit this out because this is going to sound stupid or whatever.
Speaker 2:No, there's nothing as stupid, you know. So what we're doing this is to allow ourselves to say you know the freedom to say anything. You know that every time we do this, it's actually adding, like you're actually asking your body to match whatever frequency is around. So we're like Paolo was saying, we're bringing all kinds of different ingredients into this formula.
Speaker 2:But that means also all your guides, all Christina's guides, all Paolo's guides, all my guides, all the, and it becomes like it's super charged, you know, and this is a perfect opportunity to actually break through things that otherwise it would be. You know, it would be difficult for someone to bake through. So it's like I always look at it as if you're swimming in a soup and even though you may not necessarily eat the soup, but your skin absorbs it. So, whether you like it or not, you may not want to eat the soup, but because you're floating in it, you're getting to absorb some of that energy and you'll do whatever you know, whatever it needs to do for you. So what were you saying? That you were gonna. You were talking.
Speaker 4:It's gone. When Paolo was talking, it seemed like he was answering his own question, at least. But again, see, this is what I'm talking about. My mind, I feel like I'm in two places at the same time and I'm getting bits and pieces of what you're saying and then it's like, oh yeah, that's what's going on with him, but you might be talking about a story about something else, and I missed all of that because my mind is fragmented.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm trying to say I don't think so I feel fragmented right now, you know what it is, though.
Speaker 2:That's how my mind works while I do readings Like while we're doing all this, if, yes, if any one of you guys is talking, I have like a storyboard that plays while the person is talking and if there's anything about the person that they're not saying that probably not everything, but something then that will pop up and it will feel like as if. And then I find myself sometimes following that storyboard, even though that person is still talking about something else, and I get lost in the storyboard and not the person. So it gives you this sense feeling of this false feeling is, if you're not paying attention, but it isn't so, it's like your mind gets drawn into something else, but you're still with it. You're just reading people.
Speaker 1:That's what you're doing. The fact, like I always what I always thought was a disability is I feel like, even when I'm reading or something I can like, I'll be reading the story and I'll get the point, and I feel like I don't even need to read the rest of that. I got the point of what they're trying to say and then I would do great at tests and everything, because I feel like I can pick out the what's important. Yeah, and I mean like I'm good with that, with like certain things you know, I see Issa do that too Like you'll be talking to him and he's very good with emotions and he can like, Like he'll be like I don't know, I can't explain, Like he can pick things out. So what I understood when I was speaking you were picking up on what we were talking about before, about what I was doing Exactly, exactly.
Speaker 1:And that's what I mean. And I was on the same wavelength when you said that, even though it doesn't seem like it's in the same flow. But I understood you, like I understood when you said that's what's going on with you. I understood exactly what you were referring to Like so don't feel like you're fragmented. You just picked out the. You just like you know on something.
Speaker 4:From my perspective, when I say fragmented, I feel like you're talking about something and then I interject I'm talking about something else and I just interrupted the flow of thought, and that's why I feel like, okay, I'm answering a conversation that happened an hour ago, but he's talking about something completely different. But it's okay if you want to say something like that, yeah, but I have the people who are listening and are like, oh, where is he coming from?
Speaker 1:Well, we were recording so they would get it too. And also, like, going back to the herb thing, that's what herb you want, right, that's what you do.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean, and then on. And one even more important aspect, which I mentioned last time, I think, but you know I'll say it again. You have you often label yourself as not knowing what you do, but what you do is that you pay attention to what you're actually doing, meaning that because you have that condition, that you have already decided that you don't perceive, that you don't see anything, that you know with your intuitive aspect, yeah, right now you're being proposed a different aspect of yourself. You get an opportunity to see what you actually do and how you do it, but you have to make it your friend. You just said that, paoli. You said I used to think it was a disability, but now I like it.
Speaker 4:So most often, I still feel it's a disability Right.
Speaker 2:But you can't look at it as a disability. You've got to look at it. This is how you are and how you do it. If you look at it as a disability, you're going to want to shun it away, push it aside, ignore it, you know, make it go away. But if you start looking at it as but what if this is my quality? What if this is who I am? What if this is how I do things? What if this is the best part of me? And then you'll start appreciating, and then you'll start noticing what you actually can do, and I think that's what you're experiencing right now.
Speaker 1:I feel like last time that we were here talking and it was actually Samona said why don't you talk to yourself the way I talk to my son? And what I noticed especially why don't you talk to yourself the way I talk to my son? And what I found was, for instance, like my son started a new school and doesn't know anybody. Everything's brand new. And he came from a school that was very small, he was friends with, like very popular, he knew everybody, and now it's like no one talks, whatever it is. But the fact like he still comes home and he's like I'll give it a go another day, like he's confident about it. Where, when I was his age, I had to switch schools too and I was already anxious and nervous, but I found, like my son, we're not the same person, like he's his own being. But what I found is the way I talk to him, I helped him still like a confidence, a self confidence, like, even if it's not good, you're okay. And I see him being okay. And I wonder to myself like man, imagine if someone did that for me, I could have been like that too. But why can't I be like that to myself now and I don't need no one else to do it for me, I can just do it for myself and I think about because, like you know, cristino tell you we came from.
Speaker 1:That you guys probably know too come from like immigrant families. Always, like, no matter what struggle you had, they went through a harder struggle. Like you can never top their struggle. So, like, if I went in, like you know, I really had a tough day at school today. You know what it was like for us. First of all, we had to walk three miles. Oh, you know, I think it was always something hard that they had no shoes, the teacher would hit him with the sticks, you know all this stuff.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, right, so there was never, there was never a validation of our struggle, because our struggle meant nothing and it wasn't hard. But what I'm finding is, no, it was hard, and not only was it hard, it impacted me, right, but it's not. It's not on anybody to change that, but I do have the power to start talking to myself and that's that's the change. That's what I'm talking about, this big change. It's something so simple. It's just that. It's just like I'm tired of resonating in that place and people want to stay in that place. People feel like being there anymore, not because it's bad or nothing, it just it's not resonating.
Speaker 4:You're evolving.
Speaker 1:I don't even call it, I don't know what it is, because evolving means that it's something big. It's just something different for me.
Speaker 2:You're ready to let go?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm just yeah, it's just something that doesn't work anymore.
Speaker 2:He's become aware of something else, whereas when we choose to, if we choose to stay with an understanding and a knowledge of how we define ourselves, if we choose that, every time over the opportunity to perhaps say something different, you know, like, instead of saying I don't know how to do this or I'm never, I was never, you know this or that, but say you know what I actually love myself? I actually do? You know why don't I? You know what about? And even if I can't, what's wrong? What's wrong with that? So the hardest thing, the hardest thing is stopping, is changing that very thought, that very first. However we define ourselves, that comes in, that we're so used to, it's like a habit now that we interject it and introduce it in all our conversation and the change that we want often time, it's just that. It's just that you know, it's just that it try and say something else about yourself instead of that. I can't. You know that I can't do this. I may not necessarily be true and most, you know, most often, is like that.
Speaker 2:There's another thing that sorry, I'm just going to say this no, no, I just thought of something, yeah it's what I love, the way I think about it, and sometimes I forget to, but if I, you know, when I find myself in a certain attitude, I just try to ship myself. It's like you know you don't even like it, you know you're the one who's upset. It's like, why are you even happy to be here? If I want to, if I choose to stay here, then it's a choice. But what I can do, I try to think about it how you know, to kind of map it out.
Speaker 2:I map out my future self If I want to. It doesn't have to be like a future in a year or like in a month from now. I think about next time, next time that this happens. What would I rather see, what would I rather experience, what would I rather feel, and what kind of what can I say different about myself? You know, if I want to try, if I want to feel, if I want to experience something different, I try to think of it that way and I try to map it out. So for you too, you know this notion that you've put it aside, even though you've had a desire of being, of being a healer, and you've done a lot and you've done many things and the question is do you want to let it go, or was it a choice because of your experiences, or because you really put it aside? You know what did you want to say? No, it was just a joke.
Speaker 1:When you were saying that, I was thinking, like you know, we were just talking about like entities and you know different energies or negative energies, and to me I feel like we get a lot of people get caught up on that when I feel like. To me that's the real issue. Is our thought forms right? So I was just thinking the way you were saying sound is really good.
Speaker 1:So I was thinking every time we have a thought, just carry a little bell like bing, but we'd probably be there all day in the beginning, like all day hitting that thing. It's not a bad idea.
Speaker 2:No, it is yeah it's not a bad idea.
Speaker 1:It really isn't.
Speaker 2:I mean sound is healing. There's more proof of that, and I mean the ancient people, the ancient people that used to use it. You know they had the sound as a healing for the frequency.
Speaker 1:So yeah, for sure you know, I saw this really cool thing. It was in the woods and I think it was like these, like an engineering class or something from Estonia. I think I might have gotten that wrong, but you lay down and it's like these two, like megaphone things that go out into the woods, like this, and then you lay there so it gets amplified. Oh wow, like the sounds of the forest into your ears and you just lay there. Yeah, really cool.
Speaker 4:This is associated with something attaching to me, or maybe you know being pre-diabetic.
Speaker 2:Oh, what the headaches yeah.
Speaker 4:I don't know what the nature of it is.
Speaker 1:I don't know what you're picking up on, but I know for myself when any time I did anything like I would go see like a shaman circle or like any time I went to something where I feel like it was going to move my energy in a different way, I would start to feel sometimes I would feel real shaky or I would get really bad headaches, like migraine headaches, like I don't even want to be, like something is trying to get me to go away.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's how you always felt. What's that? What about brain fog?
Speaker 1:Yeah, all of it, my God, all of it I feel like I'm going to go to a different place. I just need to sit down and I feel like there's some like. But the first night we did it, remember you got like all dizzy. Oh, I was completely out of it.
Speaker 1:So I feel like there's something that's like. I'm not saying it's an entity or nothing. I don't see any, I don't know but I do feel like there's something inside of you that it makes you feel uncomfortable, but that also tells me that's where you're supposed to be.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I concur, spitting out truths, yeah.
Speaker 5:What Spitting out truths.
Speaker 1:It's interesting because it feels like that's what it wants. You want to be spitting out truths, but something about you is fearful of spitting out truths, oh yeah, fearful of spitting out truth.
Speaker 4:Why? Because I don't want to be wrong.
Speaker 2:Yes, ding, ding, ding, ding ding. You haven't been wrong yet, since we've been talking. You know, I looked at you a couple times before Just a few times. Just a few times, because you know well it can only take a little bit at a time Got to do on the small doses. You know all of that, small doses Of course not.
Speaker 2:But what I meant is that I felt that it was your time to come in. I felt that you needed to say something. And I looked at you and you looked at me and I was like, yeah, there's something you need to say and you didn't, and okay. And then I think, paolo, you know, continue, or maybe I did. And then I looked back at you again because you know, I can feel it Like. I looked at Christina too, and she knew, as she started talking about her way.
Speaker 2:Every time you look at me, you know that I can know what I'm saying, yeah, and there's something else to come in from her. So come on, it's your turn, speak up, you know kind of thing. So I think you're yes, you're getting maybe lost into because the energy can affect. I remember one day in the beginning when they started all coming in at once and, oh my God, I couldn't even.
Speaker 4:I couldn't even talk at times you know, yeah, no, it's like it just I felt drunk and that kind of thing, and that's how it feels. Like I know you were looking at me, I know you're walking me to say something, but I wasn't coherent enough in my thoughts to actually say something intelligent.
Speaker 2:You know, like I was it's kind of it will come. It didn't just come by the way. Yeah, it's you know. Again, we're not trying to rush or push you, but you definitely, I know that it's. You know, like the amount of sparkles that they're going on and off. You know the blues and reds and orange and green and purple and they just, they just keep going.
Speaker 1:By December. It's going to be a welcome to the league of the step in the park. I'm here with my friends, it's like what?
Speaker 4:friends whenever you hear them.
Speaker 2:You get to bring your sunglasses it's going to be a lot of sparkles that too.
Speaker 4:Well, a lot of strobe lights. Hope you don't get the.
Speaker 1:you know that that was fun, that was. You know what that just it makes for a nice story.
Speaker 4:I mean, nobody can appreciate it but us, because we're in the room and we're listening and not seeing what's actually happening.
Speaker 2:Eventually, we'll probably have the video going as well.
Speaker 1:So the video is going to be cool, oh my God.
Speaker 4:Yes, it'll look like a nightclub at one point.
Speaker 1:But there's always that thing like well, they had someone on the side flickering.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, that's always going to happen. Yeah, yeah, right. Yeah, I was almost going like this. Yeah, I got an interesting story for you. I mean, on that note. Now this hasn't happened in a long while, but there was a time in my life and I'm talking about going back to when I was a child. I grew up in Brooklyn and we have street lights in Brooklyn there and I can't tell you how many times I would walk down the street and the light would just go off just as I'm underneath it, and then another. You know, two weeks later I'm walking again, another light and lamp post light goes out, and I think you remember telling you that, and there was one night I think three of them went out. And he's like what are the odds?
Speaker 1:And he started looking down at your hands like yes, I knew it was off and I was like, oh, it's off.
Speaker 4:And that's why the flickering. I'm turning it over, you're turning me on.
Speaker 2:Wake up your minds, people.
Speaker 4:And then it got to a point where I returned home and I popped up light bulbs all the time and that happened. I mean, it hasn't happened for a while, you know, maybe for a couple years now, but it was a time. But how old were you, did my man ask him? Oh, for the past 30, 40 years. Oh, okay, like even as a scarred adult. I noticed that when I was young because, like I said, growing up in Brooklyn there was street lights on every street.
Speaker 1:The only reason I was asking that is like you ever see that there's like that theory, like when they talk about like poltergeist, like things like that happen in a house there always tend to be like a young girl that started Men's Street in the house. So there's this theory that it's actually the kid going through puberty that's causing these crazy things to happen. I don't know if that's true or not, so I don't know. I thought like maybe you started growing like some pubic hair and they make some months go off. Okay.
Speaker 4:Well, it's been happening for a long time yeah, I mean you know good 40, 50 years, but it hasn't happened with the light bulbs for like five years now. It's ever been a constant. I used to buy so many light bulbs because I kept pop blowing and every time I turned on the lights on, you know, after a while I just brush my dog. You got to be kidding again. And sometimes and this still happens, but only with electronics Either the TV not so much the TV, but my stereo, definitely the phone they're always does something different, you know. You know I can go into the same Apple app to do something and it behaves differently or it stops working, or I can't open up the app.
Speaker 1:So what do you think like all of that? I don't know, the lights and stuff, I don't know. Do you think it's stemming from your own energy? Do you think it's something else? The lights?
Speaker 4:I would think it would be, because what else could it be? The phone? It could be that my old phone is old and it's just not working right anymore, and you know I'll say that, at least I'll think it's that, but other things just not behaving the way they should. What's all that about Popping light bulbs? Yeah, I know, light bulbs do go out, but when you start replacing 10 light bulbs a year in your house, it doesn't happen to anybody else.
Speaker 4:If they turn the light on, it goes on. I turn the light on and it goes on. So I honestly don't know.
Speaker 2:But here's an interesting thing you said that it hasn't happened for the past five years, so why would that be?
Speaker 5:It was my power, no the reason I interject is because we needed what hour of spirit wanted you to pay the attention to something and you weren't paying the attention. So it's like getting your attention through that.
Speaker 4:I don't know. I mean, as a kid I didn't even know enough to be paying attention to your thoughts. You know, you're just walking and the light goes out.
Speaker 1:But it got your attention. Yeah, they saw it, right, but it's like as a kid if you wouldn't okay if it got my attention.
Speaker 5:Well maybe because there was something in you. That was just what my thought popped up. Maybe there was just something in you and that was a way to know. You know was trying to get your attention.
Speaker 4:And I could tell you for the longest time and I still see it for the longest time and I'm not talking about one in two years, I'm talking about 20 years 11-11, 11-11, 11-11. Everything I see 11-11, 11-11, 11-12. Just one night I remember waking up 11-11, went back to bed, woke up 211, went back to bed, woke up 3-11, I swear to God. 4-11, 5-11,. How is that even possible to wake up that exact moment every hour?
Speaker 2:But it definitely makes the European attention.
Speaker 4:I guess your attention doesn't it Well sometimes I would say like, okay, you got my attention, why? But there's nothing, so it's all about to get my attention. So you could just sit in silence, like really, what's the point? Why don't you just let me sleep? So I don't know. You know, yes, 11-11, all the time, and when I say the weirdest things. One example would be I went to the post office to buy stamps and so I bought a couple of them, like a hundred of them or so, and so they're calling a little piece. It's like 10 in each piece and it was 11-11 stamped on each page. You know, it's just the numbers appeared everywhere, especially the clock, and I can see it in other things all the time. And yes, I understand the angels are trying to tell me something, but it's always had to. It's not necessarily because I'm having a special thought about something, it's just so random, like, okay, you got my attention, why? But then I gave up because I don't get anything and it's okay.
Speaker 2:Can you imagine the frustration in your spirit guides?
Speaker 4:I don't know. They're probably going like this. What am I going to say?
Speaker 2:And they're from yeah, from New York City. What are they going to say If they're from New York City? What do they say? You say it because you say it all the time. I was appreciating the last one.
Speaker 2:No, what I know is that, at least my understanding of that, is that I don't think we are always in a place where we can accept something for what it is, so they have to kind of feed it to us in morsel until we get, we become accustomed or okay with a certain notion or until we become aware of the truth, meaning that when I was 18, my sister, my oldest sister, came to me and goes hey, you want to come with me, we're going to go to a Tibetan chanting meditation. I'm like you're going to what I was like. I was very black and white as a person back then and I said, all right, sure, I go with you. So I go with our. We get into this room and Is this in Florence? Yes, back in Florence, and she was really into it. You know she's only two years older than me and it would have been. I wish I'd been a different person at that point, but I cannot force myself to be someone that I couldn't, possibly because my understanding and knowledge was more into practical, very pragmatical, black and white type of reality. And so I'm sitting in this room and I'm hearing these people chanting and I cannot. I have to hold back laughter. I just couldn't. It was not my thing, I just did not understand it. I was like this is bullshit, this is bullshit. This is bullshit. Why am I here? I can't wait until we're done. Well, now it's my favorite thing to go to because I have a much better understanding. I'm open to receive. I've learned so much from all kinds of things and I see the energy behind it.
Speaker 2:But from the time that I was who I was then and who I am now, there's an enormous. You know, there's a long walk. That was a long walk and I feel that for people to you get exposed to things in a little more so, so long as you can take them, and they're not going to force for you to push to understand things if you're not ready for it. That's far from you know, from what they try to do, they're always very, very gentle. You're a huge powerhouse of energy.
Speaker 2:You've always been a powerhouse of energy, and you're also the type of person that you love the metaphysical, you love all this. You know ancient alien stuff and all that kind of thing. So they're going to try and get your attention by a vehicle that you are most comfortable with, which is the extrasensory. You know all the stuff that is out of that gets your car curiosity a little bit, but it's up to you how far you want to take it. They're not going to push it further than what you know you're meant to do. Can I expand on what?
Speaker 1:you're talking about, yeah, go for it, it's going to go out of that realm. But so, with that like saying, okay, we're going to use Leo as an example, they're giving him morsels, but it's up to you to go right, so there's this, obviously, this free will aspect of it, but then there's also this aspect of it's going to happen regardless in certain cases with certain things. Right, because we all come here with like this kind of I mean, if you look at like astrology or whatever it is, or your DNA, there's this imprint that you can't escape, like it's going to happen regardless. So then sometimes I wonder what's the point of a lot of these practices? Like what's the point of a Tibetan monk practicing all this stuff to do the rainbow body, or these Taoists that cultivate all the to cultivate Mr Body into this crystallized form you know that was something, my cousin Pino, we were talking about today and like what's the point of all these practices?
Speaker 4:For humanity or for that person, for that individual.
Speaker 1:No, just in general. Maybe that was their imprint. Because I wonder, like you know, I look at different I was going to say spiritual genres, but spiritual paths, right, whether it be Hinduism, or I'll take Hinduism. Like, in Hinduism, you have these people that go into caves and they just sit there and they just practice, right, and then you hear these stories of, like these practitioners that they're levitating and they're doing all these things, and I wonder, I wonder, like, was that all necessary? You know, is that all necessary? I don't know.
Speaker 2:I understand what you're asking, but I don't know my question is very clear.
Speaker 1:I don't even think I don't feel my question is clear. So my question is how much of it is a morsel for him to see how far he wants to go and how much of it is, how far does he need to go? You know what I'm?
Speaker 1:saying Because when I look at like for instance, like like Baba Moya Dean he was a Sufi saint, I think, from Indonesia, I think, but he passed away in Philadelphia and he talks about like people that do all these practices right and they can do all these miraculous things like levitate or make things manifest in their hand and what all these things. He goes that's just manipulating the five elements, he would say. He goes don't worry about all that, just take on the. He would always say, just take on the qualities of God. And so then I wonder like that's I mean I know I'm going out from what we were talking about, leo, but I was using that thing of like how much is is, how much is he supposed to go and how much is does he want to go and how much does he need to go? Does that make sense?
Speaker 2:It does so to me it's like as if you're asking why do we have languages and why do we have so many languages in the world? And did we need to have languages? Do we need languages? Do we need communication?
Speaker 1:You know, when you said that I want to say yes, but then by saying that I'm saying well, because I was going to say yeah, because what's the need for all these complex words when I can just say I'm hungry, like we can get by? But then I was thinking already like well, there's poetry, right, there's preferences, of artistic preferences and you know form of expressions.
Speaker 2:But you can express, I can convey. If the people can communicate telepathically, meaning that you can connect energetically, and if you want to say something and they both can receive, they can actually get that information. Is that communication or not?
Speaker 1:Is that a language or not?
Speaker 2:Okay, Are colors a language? Yeah, numbers Energy Is energy a language? Okay, so it doesn't matter what it is, because it's all a language. So even the information that we receive, to me it's like it's. It will be always up to him and and or to anybody you know. It will always be up to you, and whatever vehicle is necessary, whatever you need to get to that point, then it's used the important. So, whichever points you get, it depends on whether it's one of those. There are those permanent ones that you need to get there, or the ones that are more around your free will. I think you're you're splitting, or maybe you're looking at it from a point of view like I think for some, for some people, what I come across on people is like there's this need of knowing or defining things, and that's when I feel like it's like why are you looking for such a definition? What is the point?
Speaker 1:Well, I think it's not. You're asking me.
Speaker 2:Asking or just putting out there.
Speaker 1:It's not so much definition as we're speaking. What I'm feeling is like it's more about. It's more about trying to understand for myself, like as as I keep moving, moving forward in my life, I'm realizing actually the opposite of doing more.
Speaker 1:I'm realizing like I feel the need to let go of all these techniques that I've learned, to let go of it, all of it. But then there's also this part of me that's very I don't know if we want to say Western I don't know what it is but this thing of like, the more you do, the more you achieve. But there's. But what I'm feeling like in my heart is to let go of all of it Because, like it, actually it's not helping me anymore, right, so I need to drop it. But then there's this hesitation that be like no, but like look at that guy that's so disciplined and he's doing all these things in the cave. Like don't want to be like that, because that guy knows right.
Speaker 1:But what I'm realizing, going back to the thing of being what herb you are, is I also realize, well, I'm not that guy that that's going to be in there, but shouldn't I strive to be that? That's why I guess that's what I'm going. I was like shouldn't, shouldn't when you were saying it to Leo, like should he go if he wants, but shouldn't he want to go to that? And I'm going to answer myself, as I'm talking, but that's where I was going.
Speaker 1:I'll take probably another example.
Speaker 2:This is for other people. If they're asking this question, you know we're looking at it. I think of it as if when you're learning math we all have to start with learning, like the basic timetable. I guess that's the main for it. You know, like one times one, one times two and we learn it.
Speaker 2:And then each year that you go to school you'll learn more and more math and for some people they can't stand it. They don't like it and don't understand it and they stop and they just refuse to learn. Not that they refuse to learn, it's just a very difficult thing to understand and learn. And then there's others who absolutely love it and they go to master calculus and algorithms and geometry and all that beautiful stuff. That becomes a whole other world that it seems unattainable. Especially if you stop and you try to go to calculus from just with the like middle school knowledge or like middle school knowledge of math, you will look extremely foreign and very unattainable, like as if I'll never understand this, I'll never be able to get there.
Speaker 2:What drove one person to go all the way out to calculus and one person to stop? There is the preference. You know. They chose, it's their choice. I think, strictly my understanding of why we're here, what we're doing here, is to understand our freedom to choose and however we choose to enforce or enact or, you know, make it happen that freedom of choice. You're discovering that and that question, I think, has more to do with choice than it is to how far do you go? It will be your choice. You get to choose For myself.
Speaker 1:It's also learning to let go of. One choice is better than the other.
Speaker 2:Right, because then that means that you're believing a truth that maybe it's no longer applicable to you. It's that knowledge to think that you have to obtain some kind of greatness, and it's like there is no greatness. You know, you're already great, you're already absolutely fantabulous. Everybody is, and do we need to achieve greatness? Why, then, ask yourself, why do I feel that I need to achieve that? Not just I'm not saying you in particular, but just in general.
Speaker 2:Because then to me that seems like okay. Well then, you know, it's no longer the point. The point is about you and your greatness. But if you're focusing into, am I exercising in all aspects of my life, the freedom to choose for me, for my own self? Because, you know, more often than not we're doing, we're acting with the purpose of making sure or trying to get other people to choose for ourselves. You know, like, if you're thinking about people pleasing oh, it's people pleasing itself is the constant worrying and working towards the goal so that the other people can approve of ourselves and ourselves.
Speaker 1:I mean, it makes it feel like it makes life so much easier. It does Because there's no, there's no stress on it. It's just like you're doing things because you feel inside to do it yes. So if that person decides I'm going to go in the cave and do that, it's because they're feeling called to it. Yes, and it just makes it easy, like there's no judgment, like how you said, like some people become an engineer because they like the math or whatever, and some people become artists.
Speaker 2:Exactly, never do math again, which is fine. Fine, you know, it's perfect. I think if there is anything that I also have acquired from my own life, the type of person I am, I really the universe, energy is very simple. If, if a question, if you're looking, if you're on a quest to look for whatever you know answers, if you're looking into the metaphysical, the spiritual or you know anywhere in those areas, especially just now, it's usually very simple and the least path of resistance, just like water, what is very simple but, yeah, very complex. But the answers are usually simple. Don't over complicate it and just understand. It's usually the least path of resistance that will always go there. So I keep that in mind and I always try to over simplify things and say, no, it's probably not as complicated. I think it is, it's probably just as simple as this, because it usually ends up being that.
Speaker 4:On a different note I like to bring up for the future. You know about the UFOs, Okay.
Speaker 2:I like that too.
Speaker 4:What I would like to do is my kids visited me. Was it about two weeks ago? Three weeks ago, yeah, three weeks ago, and I think it was just to me and Simone and the boys. We were just looking up at the sky and we saw our whole 23 UFOs in the line just going across the sky. Nice, steady pace, you know, not fast, not very slow. You saw it too. We were like holy shit.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I've never seen anything like it, so having said that, I would like to in the future, maybe especially in the fall, you know, when the sky is clear at night, you guys come over with that, probably because it's black on it, there's no lights or anything, and maybe we could do a couple of sessions. I got the laser light glider, so if I see something in the sky, any one of us can point to that area.
Speaker 1:He doesn't like laser, the thing like you hear crashes he got blinded.
Speaker 4:Be mindful, we're not pointing it at planes or anything like that.
Speaker 1:You know it is something that I'm interested in, but you know what I'm interested in.
Speaker 4:I want to know why don't you tell us what you're interested in?
Speaker 2:Yeah why, I'm interested in that.
Speaker 1:So, like there used to be this group I forgot the name of it, but there was a group that would come to my father's nursery and they would get together and do these meditations, the contact, oh CE5 thing. Yes, that's right, ce5, yeah, something like that.
Speaker 2:But it was like, yeah, ce5.
Speaker 1:And they would like contact them through these meditations. And what I wonder was are they talking to beings from other planets or were they contacting, like interdimensional type of beings? Do you know what I'm saying? Both.
Speaker 4:Both they have to do it. Both they're flying in a craft. I would think it's from another. You know planet Right, other dimensions won't have.
Speaker 1:They'll be traveling in a ship across the sky Because, with all these things that are coming out, I don't know, all of it just finds it's fascinating. And what I find it's fascinating today I was listening to this clip of basically the government's basically saying like yeah, we know there's stuff going on, right. So I was telling Issa this and he's like yeah, dad, we know already.
Speaker 2:Like there was no big deal to him.
Speaker 1:I'm like, yeah, I know, you know this. Like what was the big deal? Like he didn't care and I was thinking, but this was the 80s, people would be cruising their shit, right, but no one cares. It's like, yeah, millions of real ones were just going around their day like no one cares. Can you know what I mean?
Speaker 4:If this was a space, that's because we've gone part of Hollywood making, all of you know, alien movies Right. And that brings me.
Speaker 1:you're right, and that's where it's bringing me is what I'm wondering is, because of that space between the 80s and now and all the movies and all the things about it, it's like it's kind of prepared us for that, or has it prepared us, or is also we kind of made them? Remember you were just you were talking earlier about art forms becoming entities. Are they something we created, kind of like that thing I was saying about the guy that was doing mushrooms, and we were saying, like things are created as we're thinking about them. You know what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 4:Yes, it's hard to say yeah, I don't know, because we believe life is all around the universe, not just here that we also would have to believe that some of it is intelligent, just like us. I don't know if I was a good guy, but like another 500 years, another 1,000 years, we might be able to develop a technology that could go to another planet even though it's light years away and to them they're going to be saying the same thing.
Speaker 4:We're asking Is that real? Do we manifest that no Earth is real. We just happen to find you guys.
Speaker 1:You know something that really rang true for me. Do you guys ever watch the movie Arrival? Yeah, that's a beautiful movie yeah so you say I love it, and with the language, the whole thing about the language, I believe that so much I feel like it's not even a fiction movie, Not saying like you know what I mean that was nicely put out there.
Speaker 2:What I love about Hollywood is that, just as much as all of us can get these notions that we feel driven to do something, that Hollywood, a lot of the stuff they put out there, you know, with the magical things or the you know alien and all that kind of stuff it's like a lot of. It is actually quite true. I actually did a drawing. I've always wanted to kind of show people what I see, both on the negative, you know entities and all the other beautiful beings. And I started drawing one of the entities as I see them and I was like wait a minute, that's already been drawn before. It's like you can you know that's, it's already out there, just like it is coming out. And I know that a lot of people like actually Steven Spielberg is one of those people that they get a lot of their ideas. You know they're guided in that sense, like they tap into the field of knowledge where it helps. Then people become more familiar with certain things.
Speaker 1:So you're telling me, grumhans is real. Sure it is.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, there's all kinds of things. But, you know. But then that makes it so that we can actually digest a concept without feeling to attack because we are. Yet we're getting a visual, we're getting exposed to it, but it's a fantasy, you know, so we can then get accustomed to it. And aliens has been the same way. I mean that people have been making movies about aliens all along, and you know, and now we're like, hey, it's all news.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I I realized like not even to talk about it because it brings it around. You know what I mean. I'm buying him, I'll give you the attention. Yeah, and again for him, I think it really helped him again like doing mushrooms and stuff like that, because I feel like he had like a very higher vibrational experience with it that allowed him to let go of that, like I don't need to seek it. And that's why I always used to tell him like I'm like.
Speaker 1:I used to tell him like yeah, if you're going to like, if you're going to try to contact something, try to contact an angel or something Like why do you want to contact like low and shit like that? You know what I mean and and he never understood what I was saying at the time. But now I feel he does and I've just you can feel it when you talk about it, and tonight was a perfect example and maybe when you guys listen to it, if we listen to it, you'll feel it again Like when we're speaking about something and not to say anything bad about anything, not even to say anything about those beings.
Speaker 1:I think it's the same thing with our thoughts. If I'm constantly talking a certain way about myself, you're going to feel a certain way, and this is just another way of showing that. Like we were talking about, like these spirits and everything else, and right away, boom, it's there, right Now. Imagine that with just our thoughts, like if you're constantly being doubtful about yourself or always thinking about the next illness or everything. We're just stuck in there and it's always going to be there. And again, going back to what we were talking about before is like then, after a while, you're just like tired. You're tired of it because it drains your energy.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean and maybe that's what they were there to teach me. I don't even have any anger or resentment towards it, even though that, whatever that thing was, really literally almost took my life. It almost like that close on multiple occasions and how. Like you guys know me now and you but now know right, but I'm telling you like I was that close, you know what I mean Like it's crazy. But why talk about something like that? And I know certain people where they're stuck. They want to always talk about it.
Speaker 4:Oh, he's got a curiosity that just they can't get rid of. But they don't know what they're doing. They're inviting something really nasty to come in. Is that what you're talking about?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just feel like being careful of what we're trying to attract around us. Like I was bringing up that guy, bahwa Muiadine right Actually there's a book of him right there, if you want to see what he looks like. When I came across him because you know, my wife is Iranian and so on our honeymoon we were going to go to Iran. So I said it's probably better, if I look like I'm a Muslim, to go to get into Iran. So I married in a mask. So the only mask that would marry me was this one mask in Philadelphia. So I went, I did it. So technically I'm also Muslim, which I'm okay with that. There's a lot of beautiful things about it. But the guy that married us before I left, he gave me this little book. He goes this is my Guru's book, why don't you take it? So I took it. It was a little like this.
Speaker 1:I had it in my bathroom for a long time.
Speaker 1:So I'm reading it and it just resonated with it a lot Like everything, like everything. I was like I really resonated with it At that time. It's when I first started my meditation classes and there was a woman that you guys know, that she was like an intuitive and she used to come to the classes. And one day she says you know, there's a new person around you. You always have the same guides around you, but there's a new person around you. I've never seen him around you before. I said who is it?
Speaker 1:I don't know who it is. I said, okay, and then she said it again the next time I see the same guys around you all the time. And I said, well, what's he look like? He said small guy, very dark, wearing white. So what do I feel? Baba Moya Deen. Right, and I know Baba Moya Deen was dark like this guy here. Okay, so, small guy. So I go oh, I think I know who it is. So I bring the book in and I show her pictures, because yeah, that's the guy. Who was he.
Speaker 1:I said I don't know, he was like some Sufi from Indonesia. He came to Philadelphia and then that's when I realized is that, oh, he's around me because I've been reading him Right, so I'm resonating with something, and that's what brought his energy to me. That's why, like a lot of those people you know who I used to always feel Mother Mary around. It was always these old ladies that were saying the rosary and stuff like that. I didn't know they were saying the rosary, but it's because they're invoking it all the time, all the time, all the time. So I, for years, I've been very aware of what I'm thinking about. Where I'm putting my energy is going to attract it, but it's only now that I'm feeling it in my bones. It's like be careful about what the fuck you're thinking about. You know what I mean, because it's around us all the time, and then we have a choice of where do we want to go.
Speaker 1:There's a beautiful story that Baba Moya Dean says. He says there's this young, this one guy comes crying to Rasul like Muhammad Right, and he says I don't know what to do. He's like I can't sleep at night. Every night the devil's coming to me and he's bothering me. Every night I can't sleep, I'm anxious, I'm going crazy. There's a guy let me think about this, how I should take care of this, and tomorrow I'll come back. The guy leaves. A little bit later the devil comes. He's like I got to talk to you. This fucking guy won't leave me alone, right? He's like. This guy doesn't leave me alone, he goes. It's funny because he just said he came in here saying that you bother him. He's like me bothering him. No, he comes to my house and he's bothering me, right, and he goes. Well, what's he doing? He's like he's always nagging, always nagging. He's always bothering me. So he goes. All right, let me see if I can take care of this. So the next day the guy comes back. He's like did you think about what we're going to do about the devil? He's like well, you know it's funny.
Speaker 1:The devil came to me saying that you bother him, not you going to him. Like you're going to him, he's not coming to you. He's like how is that possible? I don't sleep and I don't. He goes. Well, let's look at your life and let's see like, is there anything going on? And then we start going through everything.
Speaker 1:And then Razum realizes that this guy is obsessed with putting money away for his kids, so he's constantly obsessing about putting money away. Putting money away, putting money. And he's like everything he does is about being cheap, you know, getting money wherever he can to put it away. So, razum, go get them all the money that you save and go throw it in the streets and the devil's people will go and they'll take it. They're going to run in the streets and take it because that's what they do, but then you're going to be okay, they'll leave you alone. And so he goes and gets the money and he throws it on the street. Obviously, people will buy it oh, my God money. They take it. But then they know he sleeps okay. And then he comes back and he says thank you, the devil left me alone. And you know, the point of the story is like we always have this idea that these things are bothering us, but a lot of times it's us going into that realm Right.
Speaker 4:It's lowering yourself to that frequency.
Speaker 2:Exactly, it makes you vulnerable to it.
Speaker 1:Yes, exactly, that was a long-winded way to say that. No, no.
Speaker 2:I think it was beautiful. I appreciate you saying it that way, because I'm then thinking, yeah, I got to say two things that I wanted to. It's funny we're talking about this again, but I guess we're not done, because it's you know it came up.
Speaker 2:The moment you started talking about that, one of those things popped up. I mean, like that I can talk about it, but nothing pops in. You know, there's nothing that comes in yet and that's the first thing I want to say. So it's really interesting and I it's why I love talking about this, not because I talk about it all the time, because I don't, and I, like you, I know that the more you talk about something, the more you develop a pathway, and if that pathway is very strong, then you know it's like you got a highway soon enough, you know in that sense. But it was an interesting thing that you know.
Speaker 2:Today I worked with a client that went to a party and that shortly, you know, as soon as she was at this party, then something started happening, changed her and she went into this, like she went down so so, so quickly, and we started talking and we couldn't talk, Like she wasn't responding the way that I needed her to and I already cleared, you know, I had a time because I knew that probably there was something like that going on and during the conversation our phone dropped two or three times, so she tried to call me back and she wasn't able to connect. So I called her back and I said you know what I need to? Let me just do a lot more, you know, more clearing. And I got rid of something and there was something quite strong on her. She didn't go look for it, she didn't really go and stressed about it, she didn't. She doesn't talk about these kind of things, you know. It's not like she's putting attention to it. And I've seen a lot of people who will look for me or come find me because they know that I can get rid of certain things and they're saying I don't even know why or what happened. And then there's other people who believe, you know, that our figment of our imagination, or that we create them and we, you know they're there and I don't really have like a certain certain answers for all that, but I do find that I know that each time that I get it, you know, I get closer and closer to some of these answers.
Speaker 2:One interesting thing is that when I hear you talking the act of not wanting to, there's a not fear. I don't know if I want to call it fear, but there is an attention that even when we don't want to put attention towards something we're putting attention by default because we're trying not to put attention to it, and it's as if as soon as you start talking about it because you fear it, then it's like as if you bring them in, because you're talking from a place of I have no power of control over it, instead of having power of control, Whereas when I talk about it, I don't know I got control over it. You know they're not going to do anything to me. It's why even the most terrible being that you could think of was presented right in front of my face and I was like, okay, fine, whatever, you know, I walked off and walked away from it, and perhaps it was a way of desynthesizing, because that was something that was supposed to mean, you know, from really early on in my life, even as a kid, which was very scary. But so which way is it then? You know, which way is it? The other thing that I wanted to bring up, and I love, I want to actually invite people if they have any ideas because of what really is, or any other exploration around this. I think I would love to hear back from that.
Speaker 2:There's also the fact that you and I both have had near death experiences right, when you have a near death experience, you have crossed the veil. Now, the thing about being in this reality, in this world, is that we are kind of being pushed into a very dense reality, but we're feeling everything which is not the same outside of that. When you have a near death experience, you get. This is why we're going through the birth canal, right. The death experience is also another canal that we're going through, another portal that we got to go through. It's not a very, it's a pretty harsh transition to go into there. So there's almost like this, this transmutation that we have to do to get here and to escape from here, right.
Speaker 2:But that also means that when you're having a near death experience, or if you have the ability or you learn the capacity to go to another dimension which could be, if you are a medium, that you're going to another dimension, you're connecting your consciousness to another level of existence, which is, you know, having, or whatever, and you're building a pathway there.
Speaker 2:You know, but near death experience make you so that you are more prone to go into these other realms much easier. Your body can go there without you even thinking, or actually I'm sorry let me phrase that you can go there just with thinking, and you can go there, you can just have a thought of heaven and you can probably be there. We can even try and do it right now, like I want heaven here. I want this frequency right now to turn to heaven, and I can feel it is starting to turn into that, you know, and it will just if I keep asking for that, it will just turn into it and for all of you guys. So what do you think about that? Then? You know, what do you make? Do you still think? You, do you still feel that you have to avoid talking about it?
Speaker 1:No, it's not about avoiding. It's about when I was younger. I enjoyed talking about it.
Speaker 2:Oh, did you? Okay, yeah, like I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1:From a point of curiosity here, from a point of curiosity and I think also from a point of, to be honest, like a point of place of special, of feeling special. Okay, you know what I mean, because I felt like it was around, that was it's unknown, but I felt like I had some knowledge about because of certain experiences I had.
Speaker 1:But also, when I was younger, I had a lot of like these, like freaky type of stuff that used to happen right, like I used to have like these weird type of dreams and like, and again like the whole thing that happened with the Ouija board was like like I don't know, maybe a year and a half, two years long, like, and it was like a long, a long thing, like it was.
Speaker 2:You played with the Ouija board for two years.
Speaker 1:Yeah, almost every weekend.
Speaker 1:Yeah, almost every weekend with two cousins and my cousin's girlfriend, and it would only work if the girl was there. And it's a really long story. I'll tell it one day because it's to me. It was actually a beautiful story. The way it ended for me was beautiful, but it was like scary, like I lost weight.
Speaker 1:It wasn't a good, a fun thing, but as kind of like what I said to you before about telling my cousin, like if you're going to look for something, why don't you look for something higher? Yeah, and as much as I feel like I don't resonate with the Catholic faith anymore, I also feel like that's a part of what saved me Right, because it was my belief in Archangel Michael, it was my belief in Christ, in your being like San Francesco and stuff like that, that I could feel them around me, that they're the ones that felt like we got you, we got you, don't worry, we got you. And even going back to you know, leo, you were talking about like the times, like 11-11 and stuff like that, but for myself at the time I know we might look at it now as a thing as if it's religious or something like that, but seeing that hawk outside my window. For me it not only felt like it was like this, knowing like that is a symbol, to be like stay strong just one more night, just get by one more night. And then it didn't matter what time of the day, even if it was like dark, even if it was dark and I would look at my window and it's like three in the morning, it would go by my like, it was like right by my window where I could see it. You know what I mean. And I'm like okay, I can do this, I can stay one more night, I can go one more day, I can keep going. And that's what kept me going.
Speaker 1:So it was this faith in something outside of myself instead of inside of myself. You understand what I'm saying. I'm trying to say I do so in that sense, those Catholic looking at it through the Catholic archetypes of San Frangios, you know, jesus Christ and Archangel Michael is really what helped me, you know. But then there's also this part where, as I got older and I started to reflect on these things, that's where a lot of it started to crumble for me, you know, not crumble in my love for these aspects of these beings, of just the story that I have around the beings. Does that make sense? It does.
Speaker 1:And that's why I say like the thing about the Islam thing like I don't mind if I'm Muslim is because I don't know how to explain all the things. For example, when I met Layla like literally when, right after I met Layla I had a dream that I was in a mosque and it was separated men and women. I never stepped foot in a mosque, I was separated men and women and for some reason I had a laptop and my laptop went on and my grandma passed away. Already. My grandma looked back and she said to me in Italian obviously she said be respectful, like that, because I was like what the hell am I doing here? Right, and I didn't know what she meant by that, right, and then I meet Layla and whatever.
Speaker 1:And then I meet Layla and then I have this dream that I met my father's nursery and I see from the sky this big gold, a big shiny cross, and it lands at the specific point at my dad's nursery. So I go through, like the trees and stuff, and I get there and there's this beautiful glowing cross and on it is this man with his big mustache and he's on this beautiful horse and he looked at me and he smiles and I said who are you? Because my name is Mustafa. He said now, I didn't know. That's also a name for Mohammed, right, and I didn't know. When I started channeling, when they said, when I told you guys before, and they said, hello, my name is Razul, I didn't know until later. Razul means the messenger is what they call Mohammed. So who am I? To say anything bad about any religion or anything. In fact, I like that. I'm a Catholic, I'm a Muslim, I like Buddhism and I studied with a Taoist teacher. I feel like all of it is. I think I'm going to tell you off the page.
Speaker 1:No, no, no that's part of it. I like all of it right and I think all of them are beautiful, but I'm just not. I'm not attached to all the stories behind it. It's more that the they are all talking about the same thing they are. I love all of religion too.
Speaker 2:I think they're just beautiful. There are so many beautiful things and I think people can get so much just out of it. I found that what my guides usually do, what they've been showing me, is that at time of needs, there is an answer to your needs. You can find it just about anywhere in religions, all kinds of other religions or practices. Often time is where you find the answers to whatever you need in that moment. But as you embody that like they're not going to say embody, because it's probably not the right word as you invite that knowledge in, it also changes you because you're inviting that knowledge and so you spend your knowledge and therefore you're now more able and willing to accept something. But I have a question for you about what you were saying before.
Speaker 2:So I know for a fact that spirit guides, if they know you're close to wanting to die, they'll come in and stop you from doing that. They can get rid of that thing in a second. You can ask for it and they can do it, but if they're not meant to do it, they won't. So why is it? I'll tell you in a little bit. Why is it that this being that was tormenting you was left there?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so remember when I said later that following year and I went back, I said you tried to kill me and you didn't. I feel like that's what I was trying to show. I could be wrong, but what I felt was I was shown something. From that I found a willpower I didn't know I had.
Speaker 2:Yes, I'm not questioning the being itself. That was trying to torment you. It's more that your guides.
Speaker 1:Yeah, why would they would allow it to happen?
Speaker 2:Why would they? A lot of people ask. But why does God let that happen? Why does God allow for bad things to happen, and so, therefore, we have spirit guides. Everybody has them. Why would they? Why did they just sit by the side and tell you oh, just hold on a little bit longer.
Speaker 2:That sounds a little bit cruel. The reason I asked for that is because I feel like you're saying to that was an experience for you that needed to happen, is specifically how it happened, because it probably is going to serve a purpose that you're about to merge with shortly, in the near future. I also feel that, yes, there's, you need a new readjustment a little bit, and some of the things that you know that have occurred around around those subject Well, you're right.
Speaker 1:So like I like since then, like I've done things where I would go to houses and clear and stuff like that, but I've lost interest in it as well. But what I have found, I found a different type of fear, because before there was that fear. It's like you're always scared, something's attaching to you or whatever. But now it's like, yeah, try not to give it so much attention to it. But what I also found is like what you said. So what I found is in my, in the work I do, I'm around a lot of people.
Speaker 2:You cool, oh I thought like hold on to that thought you had, because I want you to ask that.
Speaker 1:So what I found is is that what I found it's funny, like something is also telling me don't even put it out there, Like don't even bother.
Speaker 2:And if you don't, then don't, and it's something very, very small.
Speaker 1:It's almost like there's something that I have, there's something that I found that I'm scared of, and I don't even know why I'm scared of it.
Speaker 2:And leave it at that, because I feel the resistance, so it's like we can't go there, yeah, and it's nothing big.
Speaker 1:I don't want to make it come into fruition because of my fear.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you're not ready. You don't have the tools to. You know it's not time yet, just whatever. But no, I appreciate that. You're absolutely right. I felt the pressure. There's like no, what did you want to say before?
Speaker 4:You would say something about the beings that they can stop it, or whatever. But if they want to or if they need to, but if they don't want to, they won't. Yes. I don't remember exactly what the words were.
Speaker 2:I don't remember the exact words either, but I know what I meant by it so I can elaborate on that.
Speaker 2:So what I mean by that is that if somebody's having an experience like that, like Paolo, that lasted for a couple months, right yeah, that you felt like the Ubi'i being where he was being persecuted by an entity and he has his guides next to him telling him it's okay, you're okay, You're by your side and you know where we're showing you.
Speaker 2:But I know for a fact they could have gotten rid of that if they wanted to. And I say if they wanted to, not because it's a will of oh, we're going to be mean to you, we're just going to let you suffer. It's a want because they have to honor your life path. So to me, the fact that, Paolo, that you had your guides by your side and then let it go on for this long, it meant that it's meant for you to experience specifically an exactly higher experience. The moment that they thought that you were in danger, they would have come in and they would have stopped the whole thing immediately. And if that didn't happen, they were assisting, they were controlling the situation, they were right there in case anything bad happened and they would have intervened, and they would have done it without a doubt.
Speaker 1:And I also found there was something else that happened years later in my life and I kind of felt like, well, michael, where are you now? Where are you? And the interesting thing is is what came later not later, like shortly later after was like you don't need me for this, like you already know what to do. You know what I mean. And when you ask that question, I think of my how I raise Issa and, like you always want to be there for him, but sometimes I know he's going to get hurt or something and I allow that I watch it happen, because I know he needs to learn, because I know one day I won't be there for him, so I need him to know like, yeah, motherfucker, if you put your finger in a sock, you're going to get shocked.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. Like like there's a thing and that's what? Something that Razzou said to me. He said look at the way you treat your son. Why don't you think you're the heavenly one has that aspect of what you do with your son. If you're trying to be a loving father, what you don't think the heavenly one is like knows what's right for you too.
Speaker 1:And that gives me a lot of peace when I'm going through something, to think like, okay, you know what I mean, and it might even bring me to my death that thing, but that's okay too, right? I know I don't like to say that Like I don't, as a being, I get scared to say that, but I also know it's the truth.
Speaker 1:It's okay, you know what I mean and again, that's what I feel like it's time to step into is that nothing is going against me, it's just life. It's just life, that's it. You know what I mean and I almost feel that's the purpose is just to be like, recognized in life and I don't know. So, anyway, going back to the thing is like what you were saying is I, that's how I look at it is like it's trying to help ease my son, do something and knowing that something will happen. You watch it happen anyway, like you know he's going to screw up but that's okay, he's learning. You know what I mean, but the moment I feel like it might be too much or something, what I will, you know I'm going to be there to stop it. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:You have that question often. You know it's like why am they coming in and why don't they make it happen? They know I'm suffering. Why don't they make it happen? And that would take away our free will, wouldn't it?
Speaker 1:You know, even if I can, I know and I, you know, I, I vote. One of my big priors I always say is I'm you know. I know I'm not perfect, but I'm an easy learner. Like you, don't have to make me suffer too much to get the point. Like I'll get the point, I got it, I got it yeah.
Speaker 2:He's up a little bit, yeah, and that's actually and thank you for saying that, that's my go to that, even though, because asking why, like why me, or why is it this way, or why is it as much suffering, and it's not going to bring the answers that you're looking for, but what you can do is that you can ask him. You can say okay, I heard, I learned, I'm aware of the lessons, I'm aware of what I'm supposed to do and I no longer choose to experience this lesson in case I need to learn more through this vehicle, which is through whatever suffering it is. You know you're experiencing it and usually they assist you with that. It's like, okay, okay, I got it. You have to make the conscious choice of willingly choosing differently in order to show that you have moved into a different space and then they will, you know, accommodate your request.
Speaker 2:I've done it many times. It's okay. I learn it. I understand it. I still need a little more time and teaching, but can we just explore that with a different vehicle, because I'm tired?
Speaker 1:It's funny. I met a guy that knew this Baba Moya Deen, and I was asking him a lot of questions about what was he like and he told me the story that Baba would like get like. No one even knows how old he really was, but when he was older they said that you know, there were a few times where he looked really, really sick and then, like the next morning he'll come out and he's like it looks perfectly fine. I know, but what did you do? And he would say I've revised my contract. And he did that like a few times. I just changed my contract, I changed my contract.
Speaker 1:I didn't feel like I'm ready to leave you guys yet, or something like that, something to that effect. I was thinking like you, can't he?
Speaker 4:was ready to leave, though that's why he looked at me. He was ready to leave. Well, it seems like that. And then he gets forward every easy. He's like I don't feel like I can leave my students yet, or whatever it was, and he's like I'm going to give a little bit more time.
Speaker 1:You know I need to get ready. I'm going to get ready. I'm going to get ready. I'm going to get ready. I'm going to get ready, I'm going to get ready to leave my students yet, or whatever it was and is like, I'm going to give a little bit more time, you know. I mean, who knows? I don't know, I don't know the truth, but like I kind of but you can do all that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's nice, but definitely changing how you experience things. So if it's something has been coming at you like that tuba floor, that brick that you keep being it over, you know, but over the side of your head, you can definitely ask to experience that in a different way, and most often I ask them to show it to me in a conscious way. What I mean by that is that I want my consciousness to be aware of it without the need of a an actual physical lesson, which usually comes in by, you know, involving other people or you know, painful things your own illnesses and things like that.
Speaker 2:So in that case, if it's through the physical body, I ask instead of giving it to me through my physical body, please allow it to reach my consciousness, and that can be done while I dream. Ask them why don't you give me that knowledge in my dreams? Why don't you allow me to arrive to the concepts in a much easier, softer way?
Speaker 1:And that always works it didn't refuse that, because usually I just ask like, like you use the definition of the like a brick in your head. I asked like, help me to be conscious of the pebble before it becomes the brick. And then it's like, at least, if I recognize the pebble and what it's going to become, then I'm conscious to change it before it becomes, you know, bigger.
Speaker 2:But then you know, once you ask for that, you do have to then pay attention. And you know, when things are being presented to you in a much softer way, then you have to kind of act on it, you know so that it doesn't become a two by four brick again, because it'll definitely go there. But you can certainly ask they don't know that it hurts us as much as it does, you know. I mean, they can see it, but they don't necessarily know it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's something my Taoist teacher would always say is like don't pray so much to the angels about earthly things, Because they don't have any they don't understand it.
Speaker 1:No, because that's why, when people pray for healing and stuff, they usually ask someone like Jesus or a saint or something like that, he goes because they know what it was like to suffer, yeah, and they had human form, so they understand. They have more compassion in that way Because, like you know, if you told me, like you hurt your foot, you're stuffed your toe, like I know what it feels like to stuff my toe, I have compassion for that. Like that sucks, you know. But for an angel like oh yeah, I heard that sucks.
Speaker 4:But they don't know what about the Archangel Medichan and Archangel Sandify? They were both human Before they became an Archangel.
Speaker 2:It's been a long, long time, but I don't know, I'm not so sure if they were human.
Speaker 1:I don't know much about it. I mean, I do know in the story, wasn't it like Archangel Rafael that appeared as a person when he was talking to Tobias?
Speaker 2:right, I know, and they were in the Bible.
Speaker 4:Yeah, then I don't know, I don't remember those. This thing was, this thing was just coming down. Yeah, I have no clue, because I mean they were human and they understand what it would have been like to be human.
Speaker 2:I don't feel the metatron was. That's what I always thought I know there is probably yeah, notions like that. I don't think.
Speaker 4:I don't know if I can.
Speaker 2:Google that you can, if you want to I'm getting a know on that Maybe send a phone a little bit more, but I don't think it was a human being. No, actually saying yes. So yes, he was in a human being form. Send a phone to us, but not metatron, I don't know anything about it Metatron would be.
Speaker 2:for him to be like in the form of human being would be like asking the sun to be to land on the earth, and that would be devastating for all of us. You know, in a way, the energy is that powerful of that being. What are the reasons? Metatron, Archangel Metatron. So I don't think.
Speaker 1:So I don't know who that is.
Speaker 2:So he's? Is he the voice that God? Archangel Metatron, is he the voice that God, or what did it goes? I don't really pay attention to what is out there. You know, in the sense, when I see Archangel Metatron he's always got this fiery sun, very gold. He always looked like he's like a golden being, like made out of gold, like shiny, like gold. You know, the whole thing is massive, massive. This one off of here.
Speaker 4:Metatron is believed to have started as a human incarnation before ascending to heaven and becoming an Archangel according to Jewish beliefs.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, who is this? I'll have?
Speaker 5:to look in my nose because I took a class on angels and we didn't learn about that Archangel. But I don't know, it was so long ago that I don't remember but I have it in my notes.
Speaker 2:I'll be curious to look at yeah, I don't, I don't go by. I usually ask him and ask him if what is true or not true. So there is something about that story that is not exactly how it was. So it wasn't necessarily. I'm hearing from them that it wasn't necessarily like that, but doesn't mean that it has to. You know, it's perfectly fine to have that understanding, it's all good. But he's either. He's the voice of God, he's like the second in command of God, so is the next person down that you can go to to experience a God-like type of energy and frequency, and so he can. It's easier for him to be, to come close to us in that sense, because it's not bringing in like the full force pledge force of the God energy.
Speaker 2:Yes, and he's mostly, at least for my understanding, and then you know, anybody else can have different views or understanding of that he usually is a major promoter. Especially when you're changing, when you're moving, shifting through something, and you're resisting the shift, he'll come in and just give you a kick in the ass. I mean, he's like, he's like a New Yorker. He doesn't give a shit about how you feel about things. You just gonna, you know, say, well, that's too bad, you still got to do this, and if you don't do it, I'll make you kind of thing. So, but not because he likes understand that there's a normal amount of compassion. But he also gives you that, that which you may miss sometime.
Speaker 1:You may not have like the confidence or like the stamina or the the conviction that you can actually do what you're about to do, like that stern father says I'll teach you to, I'll teach you to swim. It throws you in the pool.
Speaker 2:Yes, kind of thing, kind of like that, but definitely he's a, he's a force to. I love the being, I absolutely adore him. No way he is. So it tells you how it is. No, you know, very straightforward.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I adore him.