Flowing With Spirit
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Flowing With Spirit
Exploring Miracles, Healing, and Conscious Awareness
Are you ready for a journey into the realms of awareness, healing, and spiritual communication? Join us, your hosts, and our esteemed guests as we venture into discussions exploring the nuances between awareness and loving awareness. We share intriguing stories and insights from our own personal experiences, discussing our encounters with different truths and the transformative power of accepting new understandings and healing codes.
We delve deep into the world of miraculous healing and the role belief systems play. We recount the inspiring stories of patients experiencing radical remissions, and how community support and beliefs significantly aid in their healing journey. We also touch on the profound significance of inner child healing and the acceptance of the reality that healing may not always align with one's life path.
Switch gears as we journey into the captivating realm of channeling. We share experiences of receiving messages from spiritual beings or feeling their presence, and the gratitude that accompanies these connections. Discover our guests’ experiences with channeling and the diverse ways it manifests for different individuals. This profound exploration is aimed at encouraging listeners to approach their own experiences with an open mind and curiosity. Join us in this enlightening discourse and uncover the transformative power of awareness, healing, and spirituality.
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So I do love these conversations that we're having, because when if something's making you think and re-questions what you're viewing or your perception and what you're seeing, then that brings an opportunity for inviting something else new into your life. Instead of if you're not willing to even investigate or entertain that something another truth could be true then you stay right there where, even though you may wish to progress or to explore different things so it made me think. Just having that conversation that kind of makes me think about something I was talking with Pino, my cousin about, was.
Speaker 2:So Pino was a pretty devout Buddhist. You know, he grew up a Catholic. You know, obviously we're in the same family, so he grew up a Catholic. But he's a pretty devout Buddhist and he's a therapist and he likes, you know, young and train of thought and everything else like dealing with archetypes. So we were talking the other day and he was talking about his experience of practicing awareness, right, and then he started talking about the difference between awareness and loving awareness.
Speaker 2:And when he started to speak about loving awareness, I felt like I didn't understand the difference, because the loving awareness that he was speaking of is what I felt like. Yes, I'm resonating with what you're saying. I just never put the words loving awareness to that. So I didn't know how to differentiate awareness and loving awareness. The only way I could differentiate it was awareness is like I'm putting my hand down on the table, I'm watching, I'm feeling like being very aware of what I'm doing, and then a loving awareness comes with this tenderness with it. I feel like a lot of the Christian mystics and a lot of the Sufi speak of, which resonates more with my way of being. So I feel like, oh, without even having a word for it. I feel like I've been trying to always cultivate loving awareness, so I never thought of a difference between these difference awarenesses. But him, coming from a different background, he sees this difference and he talks about it. He says he feels like the texture feels different to him.
Speaker 2:So then I started thinking about that and I was like, well, maybe I don't have the experience of I don't know like Samadhi or these different things, because I'm not being exposed to it or I'm not looking into it. So this thought came to me of was even like these people that talk about the power of the lion's gate or the six-dimension or whatever it is, maybe could we be experiencing the same things, but we're just using different ways to describe it. Or is it like a slice, a sliver of truth that I'm not exposing myself to? And then there's also the thought do we need to expose ourselves to all of it? Maybe I'm not being exposed to it because that's just not the slice of the truth that I'm resonating with. So it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2:It's like I always use the example of plants right, like a cactus needs a certain type of soil than the sweet grass that's grown by the marsh right, and I feel like both are true, but both are experienced in a different way and they're resonating with different, in different ways. So they're expi-. You understand what I'm trying to say. So for myself, I wonder, like, how much do I, like I feel like this pressure, like, oh, I need to go experience it. I don't know about this type of awareness or this type of practice or whatever it is, so I need to expose myself to it. But then later I was thinking, well, maybe I don't need to. I just need to be open to it, that it's there, but it doesn't mean I have to like pull myself out of the ground and go to the marsh to experience it. It's just to be like it's okay that it's there. It's another part of the truth, but it's not the truth that was meant for me in this lifetime.
Speaker 1:And I think that's because of I mean, it requires acceptance, and acceptance is you can't. You can't be in a place of acceptance if you don't have grace and what's the other word? Gratitude. So I couldn't think of that and I think just being in that place of just acceptance, with grace and gratitude, it's a perfect place to then welcome any type of understanding, thoughts, concepts and things like that.
Speaker 1:When there's something really particular, I only done it once, like where I actually drew what I saw energetically, like the code, the energetic code of a person's soul, and I drew it with the symbols that I've been shown and guided, you know, by my guides, and I made it. It was about, you know, like a 16 by 20 type of thing and I actually couldn't fit everything in it, but I started and it came out really beautiful. I don't even know if I have a picture. It took me a long time because I was really like. It was like as if I was transferring the codes that I see in the person, just as if it's a computer script, right into paper so that it could function for the person.
Speaker 2:So when you're seeing it, are you saying that you did it by looking at one particular person?
Speaker 1:Yes, I focused on one person. It was like a soul description, but in that way and the way that it was explained to me what it does and I do it for in a different way, like if I want to promote wellness in a certain area, don't give me a code and then visually a person can look at it doesn't have to mean anything to you, but just the fact that you're seeing it, your body, your energetic body responds to that and we do that with a lot of things.
Speaker 1:Just to say, with music, we have a response because it is a code. Collars is a code, plants are a code. Any type of chemicals is a code. So, along with what we feel drawn or aligned or that we even courage to investigate, I do believe it's because of that specific code that we have within ourselves and not all of it is in front of it, like I can take layers depending upon where the person, where I need to look. So a person's the human aspects are in this lifetime. I can look at it and they'll show a different design and I can dissect it, go in different places and I can go beyond that into the soul if I ask. I can see that and go beyond and just it's like an intricate web of designs. That, at least that's the translation of my personal, what I can see. There's many people who can do that, what people call galactic language. That's really what they're seeing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of codes of whether they're speaking it, they're singing it or they're writing it. That's really another translation. So to me it's as if we're capable of reading the universal computer and just whatever information the person needs, someone will know how to speak to that we don't all have to speak the same language or be okay to hear the same language. It doesn't have to be that way. It's why there are so many things out there, because something will fit with one person or another at some point or another and that was quite beautiful, but it was very time consuming to do that type of thing.
Speaker 2:Did you ever give it to the person I did, oh nice. So when you saw it, so let's say, you were like, okay, I'm going to give this for some type of physical ailment or something like that. Are you giving them just a code that you saw when you look at them, or are you getting like some type of information of how to put the code so, when they look at it, it's healing? That code that's broken.
Speaker 1:It's always healing the code. If I do it specifically for the person, to promote the healing, or for them to overcome an obstacle or heal, like even an emotional aspect of themselves that is part of their life path, it will be specific to them, or I can do a general one.
Speaker 1:If it's, I put it out there, like on Instagram or in any of the social media, or if I do a class or a workshop, then I'll have. I can have a general one or a specific one for that person. So it will most of the time I do specific to the person.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because I used to wonder about that, like you know, with my teacher when he was teaching us about, like the Taoist, like talismans, you know, and if you look at the talismans, a lot of it looks like what today people call light language, right, like the same as like spirals and stuff like that. And then now they get codified, right like this is the one you use for if there's a liver issue or whatever it is. But I wonder, like I don't know if that's what I think, like a lot of those is what came to that person in that moment. And then it's people after there's like, oh, like, if you did it, and it's like, oh, sumona wrote it for that person that has like a liver issue, oh, that must be for liver. And then they use it, and then they put that imprint like that's what we use for liver, but maybe it wasn't for liver for everybody, it was liver for that person we were working on at that time.
Speaker 1:It's absolutely, and I think it's. I find it. It's not fantastic because maybe people don't win. They may not find it fantastic, but if something doesn't work for you, it's probably very likely because it may have originated it for someone different than you and not to get upset because you didn't feel anything. I didn't feel the energy, I don't feel anything they do.
Speaker 1:You know that those conditions if you're not, if it's not like you were saying, if it's not the right ingredients altogether, it probably won't vibrate with you. It won't even resonate or even trigger. And we're like instruments, you know, think it's all those chords that you have and just it doesn't require much for the chords to be struck, you know, so that you can actually feel the frequency of vibration. But you have to have the right ingredients. So it's either the right person, the right talk, the right words, the right design, the right situations, and it can. It's everything can be considered as part of that. So I find that it's, it's beautiful when you look at it from that way and and welcoming, like you're saying, there's that acceptance that what did you say? The? Your friend called it the love loving loving awareness.
Speaker 2:That's a beautiful, yeah.
Speaker 1:So I think for everybody, if they really want to practice anything, if they should start there, like with the loving awareness that includes acceptance, with basins and gratitude, and not really get too focused on trying to define but is it right or is it wrong? And and then then from there, people then have to cultivate that feeling, discernment discernment and that's one of the you know, one of the hardest things.
Speaker 1:Like a lot of people go to psychic or the go. If you know that someone can look into things, you'll ask, you ask questions because there is, it's it's easier to ask someone and trust what that person is saying than to trust your own instincts and we get very far away from that and from having drive. There's so many things that drive us away from that inner discernment that we all have it's not it's not there. We're just too numb to rely on it, you know.
Speaker 2:I think also there's something about like, sometimes I feel we already know the answer to what we want to know, but there's something, there's something very um, assuring when someone else that's supposed to know because they're a psychic or intuitive or whatever, and they confirm it for you, absolutely right. So at least from I can say that for myself. You know, I didn't mean like. You know, I think for myself, that's what, that's what I enjoy talking to someone, not even just a psychic or a good intuitive, just anyone that I feel like.
Speaker 2:I look at that, I feel they, they have some wisdom to them you know, you can just be someone that's an elder or whatever it is, but going on what you were, I want to go back kind of like to the discernment and what we're speaking of. I know a woman that's I don't know what, what kind of Christianity she is, but it's um. They're really into like the um speaking in tongues and they do like the healing services and all of that, and she's been having some like bad, really bad back issues, right like so they did like the healing masses and she's like one of the big singers at the place and you know she's doing all this stuff and then she even said, like her father knowing, said like I saw Jesus healing you, like you're going to be okay, so what she's battling with is like okay.
Speaker 2:So I I did all the things and I even got people telling me that they saw, okay, it's going to be okay. Why am I not? Okay, right, and and it's kind of what I'm doing. I think like the reason why I'm I'm saying that I guess I'm going into an area of interest, that that I'm really like I used to, I used to be really obsessed with it which is miracles, and I think we spoke about that before is that she, like, she's wondering, like why isn't the healing happening? I've done all the ingredients for it to happen, I'm doing the things, for, you know, she's seeing the people for her physical part of herself, she's doing all the the healing work from a spiritual aspect and she's like, and nothing is happening when everything should be going in that direction.
Speaker 2:And I and I remember when I was in acupuncture school, there was this book and I wish I remember the name of the book, but it was just um, like medical files of patients that had all types of stuff you know whether it was like some type of cancer, some type of some other issue and showing that how they went into these radical remissions, and they were like the medical reports, right, and then and then afterwards they were kind of like break up like what? What were the patterns that they were seeing in a lot of these cases? And a lot of them were religious people, like some of them were non-s and whatever it was, but they said they. They kind of broke it down to like certain things, and this is. I read the same thing in another book. I forgot his name.
Speaker 2:He wrote a book called coyote wisdom, I think it was called, and he, he was a medical doctor but he worked with uh, I, I forgot which Native American tribe, like he was like a doctor there and you know, and he got into that.
Speaker 2:He talks about like the healing with, you know, storytelling and all this stuff.
Speaker 2:So he talked about the same thing being exposed to people that went into these remissions and one was like there was a belief in something, right, whether it's a religion, you know God, whether it is the, the, the medical treatment that they're getting, whatever it was. But then there was people around them that bought into the same, the same thing, right, so they had like a community and then, but the final one, which is the hardest, one was and then let him go of all of it, like all, right, now, whatever happens, happens, because I know I'm all right, which I think to me would be the hardest one out of those. But then in this case, when I'm talking to this woman and you know I've been with several patients that reached their end end of life, thinking that they were going to heal and they didn't, and and obviously we can always go to that thing like, well, it was just their time and it is what it is, and but also I'm wondering with that like when is that the sermon?
Speaker 1:when you're playing with yourself and when you know, like you know, you, you, you guys understand my question because I don't think I formally did a real question, but so I most often, at least from my perspective, from the what I do, because I can only speak from that, from that part, like the moment you started talking about this person, what I felt is that she is. She, she's not aligning herself to the one change that she that has to occur still, which is about her perception about an area in our life, like there is a change that she has to make within, from within, about the way that she looks at something that she hasn't been able to do, and I do feel that she's been struggling with this and she does have a perception that she's changed it or that she's worked at it, but she hasn't completely made the transition through it. So sometimes, for people that are in this place, I want to say you know, you ate this, you make the soup, you ate the soup but you're still hungry. So what do you do? You go back and make the soup, but make perhaps you need to kind of look at it. It's like what are? What is the situation trying to tell you? What is it that sometimes we get caught up into trying and into the objective, which is the healing, and we're not really, we're getting lost into what's really. Why is this thing still occurring, and I have clients too that you know we may have to revisit things over and over again.
Speaker 1:My understanding is that often time there is because we we have to heal in layers, and that's absolutely true. The inner child that is there to protect ourselves is very hard of working to protecting what it does not want the world to see about ourselves, our vulnerabilities, and that's usually what we have to fight against in the form of healing. And if it's, the person is not taken to that point where you are reconnecting to that inner child and healing that part of themselves, then you know that healing may not occur. And then there is also people who don't want to heal. I don't feel that's the case for this person, but for some people they don't want to because they're you know it is impart that they can't fathom themselves being well. You know they can't see themselves being well and they lack the belief.
Speaker 1:Healers are really people that function as the person that can donate their energy to promote the healing, because you're giving your faith and your belief to the person who doesn't have it, and that's really what causes the healing for, like the miracle healing that you're asking, but the person that is coming to that, to that person. The other, the person that needs healing, has to also have a strong belief system into the person that calls it healing. So usually people will have those spontaneous healing or miraculous healing, mostly because they have a strong belief, because they have heard that this person can do it, and this person has done miracles or has been, you know, announced in one way or the other, or other people who experience it and talk about it, and none of them is enough to create that type of miraculous healing. But then you have the ones that that doesn't happen and it could be because it's part of the life path.
Speaker 1:You know, like you said, maybe it just wasn't meant to go that way, or perhaps they're just not shifting into where they need to shift into, you know, merging with their two cells, and usually what causes illness is the fact that there are parts of ourselves are true of our true selves, where we keep shifting into the darkness because we. It's not okay and that causes that friction. The causes illness and disease and all that kind of thing. So at least that answers your question. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, yeah, I think you're doing a great job, but with this person.
Speaker 1:But I would look at it because it's something that has to come from within with her, and it has to be where she already knows. Like you said, most people we already know. So that's the other thing. Oftentimes we're collecting information as we go about.
Speaker 1:It can take a decade or longer for us to collect information until we get to the point that we're ready to let go of something. And you can pretty much say I've had a lot of people who have come to me and they just needed a little time to push and it didn't seem like it was such a struggle and they shifted and they moved and it was beautiful. But they've been collecting all that information and I just kind of guided them through and pulled it together so that they could create that experience, that healing. And then there's people who come here early. They're not ready because they don't have all that information.
Speaker 1:They don't want to accept it and then it has to be repeated.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because there's some people that come and they're like they think they're like that, like Bauda can do miracles, and they get them. And then there are some people it's like, man, I wish I can do the same for you and it's just, and you can see it Like, you can feel it. Yeah, you can feel it, like I can feel it, and sometimes I'll throw little things out there to see if I can start to break down that wall a little bit, and it's like, no, it's not going to happen. And I don't know if it's going to happen, but I can tell it's not going to be me to do it, you could just feel it. So you just do your job and move on. And sometimes it sucks because you feel bad, like I feel bad, it's like I know I can help you, but I can't get through.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean, and there's nothing you can do about it.
Speaker 1:And when I first started working with people, that was one of the hardest things to have in terms with and accepting the fact that you can't save everybody if you want to. Even if you see the solution, the person may not want it, and you can even get people to get upset with you for trying to help them.
Speaker 1:See, and maybe the purpose of you interacting with them is to create that friction, that upsetment, because that's the same as planting the seed, and I've had many opportunities of people who didn't, it wasn't the right time and didn't go as well. And then they came back to me to say hey, by the way, whatever you told me, by the way, back, when it actually happened, and thank you, because when it did, or when I experienced that, then I was ready because I had the information and you know, but at the time I wasn't in a position to absorb it, take it, accept it and that kind of thing. So it's not an easy path to do this kind of thing, because you really don't get. You can only really trust in yourself and you don't have any guarantees of nothing. So it definitely isn't what you want to hang on and focus on as you keep moving towards what a progression is a healer, she'll come to terms with might of amber, she'll have the information she needs and she'll get there.
Speaker 2:Well, I've found people most of my patients that are people of faith. Whatever faith it is, I always feel like they do, but they always get there sooner or later.
Speaker 4:You know what I mean, but on the wrong time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, on the wrong time, but they're always they do the work. I think you know what I mean, like they're trying to get there. I don't know, I don't really have a clear explanation, but I can say to people that I find my patients that do have some type of faith, whether it's religious or it's like. I had a patient she's kind of like that, all into the dimensions and the portals and all of that stuff. I mean she had a liver transplant which she didn't have a chance of success and she did it and she's doing great. She's not on medication, like she heard.
Speaker 2:Her husband fixed up a bus and then they moved out west and all these great things are happening to her. And then her husband got an offer and they're moving to Hawaii and I'm like man, she shouldn't even be here. You know what I mean. But from day one when I would go over, I would go over her house and treat her because she couldn't come to the office because of fear of germs and all this stuff. So I would go to the house and sometimes I would just do a few needles and we would just sit there and talk or I would just sit there and pray and whatever it was. All I know is, whatever she was doing worked it worked, but I see that also with patients that have faith in mainstream religions as well. I feel like it's very useful.
Speaker 1:I mean prayer is prayer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, prayer is prayer.
Speaker 1:Meditating. Meditation is the same as prayer. They're the same thing really. I don't want people to stress about overmeditating. If you're praying, even just even when you're singing the same song over and over again, if you're singing a song over and over again, there is definitely something in there that you need. It's bringing some kind of relief and not to think that people, even artists like I think I mentioned that before like filmmakers, artists, painters that create stuff or music in that sense, song writers they're all getting some kind of information, that they're transferring it and it does create something. Not all of it will do that, but a lot of the stuff that's up there has also a non-written code that promotes some kind of emotions and people that actually feel it. When you get the chills or from listening to songs or watching a movie or something and there is something that really touches you, it's because that code has come in contact with your own coding and it triggers something within you, which is nice. I think it's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 4:But I think there is when you were talking, when you were just explaining what you just said about artists and people writing music, I remember I don't remember the actual story, but I remember when Paul McCartney was talking about writing the song Let it Be and don't remember if it was the Virgin Mary that came to him or one of his aunts, his mother, someone came to him and they said to him just let it be, let it be. And for many people who hear that song it resonates with them.
Speaker 4:They were looking for something and when they heard those words, just let it be. It was a message for them to just let go and stop trying to control things or stop trying to judge, and just accept and everything was going to be OK. Just let it go, let it be, and everything will be all right.
Speaker 1:You know where I find that it's most magical they were all doing. I'm not saying that word, right, but that's OK. Just absolutely awe-inspiring is when you have these moments that the song that comes up on the radio or just all the sun is starting to play and someone is in a really bad place and because of that song they're no longer going to take certain steps to. They would have led to something nefarious or something that wasn't really the best for their own life or in whichever way. But whether it was the person, the stranger on the bus or the Eagle 2 grocery store and someone says specific words, that happens to me all the time. It's like. One of the latest ones was we went to grocery store a few months ago and I was smiling, but I was in my own world and someone said oh, I'm sorry To someone. She goes oh, you're fine, you're better than fine, you are great.
Speaker 1:I was like that kind of hurt my interest because it was like that is just a weird thing to say. Not weird in a sense it wasn't great, but because it's amused to getting messages in that way and whether you're willing to see messages in something as simple as that or not. I think that's the difference between seeing miracles and not seeing them. It's like you want to see the miracles in the most simplest and natural things that happen around you and I love stuff like that and I love when they give me the messages. I needed to hear that I was great because I was busy in my head with whatever was going on at that time and it was just enough for me to just realize is like you know what?
Speaker 4:Yes, that's right, I am great, everything is fine, you know that kind of thing and we just we need to be reminded of that, because sometimes we get caught up in the drama of our life that we just think everything is just not working out, that you know we're going down a very bad slope, a slippery slope, and we kind of lose hope. And then someone comes along and will say something and it just kind of takes us out of the fog and we realize you know everything is going to be OK. It's just I'm making too much of this and let me just, you know, take a step back and just be OK with it and just trust that everything is going to be all right.
Speaker 2:You know what also I think is beautiful? When, like the way the woman said that to you, like oh, not just good, it's, you know, you're great. When you realize you're the one that's being used to relay the message. Like the one day I always go running at High Rocks and the one day I said, you know, I'm going to go to Nakamixin. So I went to Nakamixin, I'm going through the thing, but I didn't know where I'm going. Really I don't know Nakamixin well.
Speaker 2:So I ended up on this little path. I started getting text on me so I'm like I'm not doing this. So I start walking back to my car and as I'm walking to my car I see this young guy crying on the bench. So I just walk by and as I pass him, something is telling me don't go. So I turn and I just stand there like this, like that, and then I turn and I just say you're all right. He's like yeah, I'm OK.
Speaker 2:So I'm like all right, but I didn't leave, I just kind of just stayed a little bit in the distance and then finally, like after a few minutes, he turned to me and says I'm not all right and I just sat down next to him, we talked and like he had some issues, and then we sat there and his wife was pregnant and he was scared of doing something bad to himself and then scared about becoming a dad, and I talked to him.
Speaker 2:I basically told him the story that I told you guys last time and how I got out of that, and I talked to him about being a dad and then when I left you can see in his eyes that he didn't see me. He saw something else that was coming through me. You understand what I'm saying. And when I left, I felt this enormous gratitude that like, wow, you used me, like you felt like this feeling, like, not like you used me, like in an ego sense, it was like you felt yourself, bigger than yourself. But you know what I mean. Like you were, I was expanded Because I got to, even though I was speaking about myself, like using the stories of myself, it wasn't coming from the self and you made yourself available.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it was just something beautiful about that and I felt the gratitude that I felt like, ah, I'm thankful that whatever stopped me stopped me, because obviously it was beautiful for him and it's awesome. I mean touch with him on Instagram and stuff, and like his kid's going to be born soon, it's awesome. But what was cool about it? It just I don't know just something felt really nice that like we're also the, we're getting messages, but we're also the messengers. You know what I mean. It's nice to be used in that way.
Speaker 2:I do appreciate when those times happen, yeah, but do you ever discern something and then, like nothing does come out of it, and then you just feel like man, maybe I'm becoming schizophrenic. No, I'm losing my mind. Yeah, losing my mind a little bit. No to tell you.
Speaker 1:The truth is, they'll tell me what they want me to do. But they'll get my attention and I'm blessed with that, with that wonderful gift that's quite open. So even if I talk to someone, even if it's to just get their attention about something most often that happens very often they'll tell me go talk to that person yeah. They'll do this, agree with that, you know, and that kind of thing.
Speaker 2:So See, cause like I would. It would be nice if I got it like that.
Speaker 2:Like they're saying, but for me it's just like a feeling. Like it's just a feeling. It's like, okay, this feeling came out of nowhere. Or this feeling doesn't feel like me. It's not like what I say is mine like Paul. So it's like, okay, let me check that out. And then sometimes I can say, like if I'm working on someone, I'll see lights. Usually it's a blue light and sometimes it's a green light, but I don't know what it means. Like I don't know. Like sometimes I'll see it like right over a person's body part or a certain acupuncture point. So I'm like do you want me to touch it? And then I'll touch. Sometimes I'll touch it. I'm like anything like no. You know what I mean. Like.
Speaker 1:I don't know what, why you're telling, why you show me this. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:But I don't get any answer. You know what I mean, so Welcome to the club.
Speaker 1:The thing is that it's probably not something that they're trying to tell you. They're probably trying to show you. So most often, when they are showing lights around a person, especially in areas, because they're letting you know that they're working on it, that area needs help and assistance. You can, because you do have amazing channeling abilities. I've always seen that in you that you can actually eat.
Speaker 2:But the channeling's different. I feel. No, not feeling, because when I channel it's different. Like when I channel, I get like a weird feeling on my head right and then I can feel, and then it's not like I channeled, like a bunch of beings, like it's usually the same one, and then I don't make it happen, it just happens. You know what I mean the only time. Usually it'll be like I'm doing something and then I can start to feel I'm like, okay, you know, then I'll get like, you know, it'll just happen.
Speaker 2:The only time I felt like it was happening for so long and I was like I was going to do a fire, like a fire thing, and Megan, the best friend, was gonna meet me there, and then the reason I'm telling this story because it was nice to see, like to get like an outside, what do you call it? Verification, I guess Is that we were there and then I could feel it Like getting stronger and stronger and stronger. The whole time I'm making the fire, everything else. So then we sit down and you know, I didn't say anything and then at one point I can feel it like it was coming through and the whole time I think it is I'm gonna get the shit out of Megan. So we're just sitting there like meditating. I just opened my eyes. I said, megan, I might start acting a little weird, like I might say things I might seem out of character or whatever, but like, don't get nervous, it's just. I think something's trying to get through.
Speaker 2:The moment I said it it came through. And then as soon as I opened and when I say I opened my mouth, it was literally that time especially. I don't know why it came so strong, but it felt like I was outside of myself watching my body being taken by this being. And as soon as that being, sort of speaking out of Megan's dog, like went on me, sort of like licking my face, like it recognized it. But then, as this being was speaking, I could see and I typically don't see a lot, but I could see a lot of a lot of different beings around us a lot. And then, as soon as I saw them, the dog was running around like crazy, like around them, like that. And then the dog actually ran to the car because it was like I don't know why I got like. I don't know if it.
Speaker 2:It didn't seem freaked out, it was just like, yeah, it was like overwhelmed or something. But to me I felt like wow, like the dog was seeing what I saw for sure. And to me it was like that verification of of like, oh okay, so there's something going on that like that's not just inside of me, it's also outside of me. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:So I want to go back to the first statement that you made. Yeah, you were talking to this, which you presented the scenario as your, by your interpretation, but you made statements that immediately created constriction, like a funnel, because you're accepting the fact that, oh, but I can't make it happen, it just comes.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Your statement no. Second statement is I don't know what I'm doing because I don't see anything. You know and or whatever.
Speaker 1:You said that you didn't hear while you're walking with the person and when I said, well, you can channel, is the fact that you have an interpretation of how someone is channeling. What's happening when you're channeling information, like the whole time that we're doing this, or whenever I'm talking to anybody, that pressure that you feel in the back of your head. It moves different places depending upon what's going on. You know like I use my physical body for also to tell me well, I'm busy looking at so many different things whether or not something is going the right directions or not. So if it moves to the front means one thing, if it moves to the back means another, and different beings are coming and going and giving me the information. When I first started, it was more like you, where I thought it wasn't me controlling it, it was just them to let me know, whereas now, if I want to start channeling, well, I'm channeling all the time, because that's what it is. You're tapping into your intuition, you're channeling. It's no difference. The same place.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So technically, you do it all the time. You don't have to, but to have a specific being speaking for you in the way that you're thinking. Sure, that's a little bit different, meaning that you can create space for that, but it doesn't mean that you, if you have those thoughts while you're working with people and it prevents you from actually allowing you to be the person that you're supposed to be, which is to have that information while you're working with the patient, with the client, and then provide what it is that you can provide. So, if you change the dialogue, if you try to open yourself up to maybe have it go different, in a different way, and there's nothing stopping you from doing it now. You could just.
Speaker 2:No, you're right, and actually even why you're saying it. Even actually, when I made that statement of I can't make it happen, it was like I was even as I was saying I'm like, well, that's not true, because in fact when the first time it was all came, it was very obvious outside, like it was, like it came like this right, and most times it came like this, like from here. But then as time went on and in fact it's one of the I had actually recorded where it has Zul said did you see where I came from? And it didn't come from outside, it was inside. And he said when the messenger becomes the message, and in fact, like what I found as I get older I was always in love with all of these things, but what I found like I'd rather be, I'd rather be it than channel it.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean as much as I love it like cause.
Speaker 2:Sometimes you know, something comes through and it feels so exhilarating and so wonderful and you feel so thankful that it came through to get that feeling. You know, but I'd rather. You know there's a point like you just wanna I'd rather be what I'm here to be. You know what. I mean and maybe that's just a part of it.
Speaker 1:Right but you get to this point on that, and that's the thing when you were first talking, when you introduced that the concept that you have around the channeling you talked more from a place of I don't have any controller, like more of a victim, like I don't have anything to do with it, whereas you can actually decide.
Speaker 1:I might not have this conversation with my guys all the time where I say, okay, I understand this and thank you for showing me this, or whatever. But I'd rather if we do it this way, so that you know, yes, I can channel, but I'd rather say that if it's needed, just let me know, then I'll go into the channel, and I don't want it to be like the thing that I do all the time. I prefer that you know, if there is a really strong message, you can just come in, let me know and we'll just go right into it. And you usually tell the people when, if it happens during the session, I'm saying, hey, they just want channel message, so I'm gonna do that. Now you're gonna hear this and the other and that kind of thing, so for you you can orchestra that way. By the way, there was a massive after. I you know, while you were listening before, massive orb blue like this beautiful came to my. It was massive, gigantic, right over your head. So I was like, oh, great changes are ready for you.
Speaker 2:Just listening to that. Yeah, because when you were talking about, like before, about the same thing, I saw like a light pass by.
Speaker 1:You like that right behind you, yeah, awesome. And that to me, when I see that that was just the biggest orb ever not that they can't show themselves in person. But it's the same massive changes. So it's you know, we started that from the conversation tonight with you know, talking about acceptance and looking at things and being able to be in a place of you know, I'm just gonna lovingly accept the word well. I mean, I can't think of the other word that you mentioned before. Well, I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 2:like I think for myself what I feel, like my and I'm not trying to make this about myself, but I feel like I'm learning, for whatever reason in this lifetime, it's for myself, it's learning to just be who I am at all times, and even now, like I would never talk about this stuff outside of us, right Cause I'm like what if, like, patients listen to this? What if you know other people listen to it and they hear, but you know what the funny thing is, everyone knows I'm like this. That's the weird thing. Like it's not, like I'm not good at hiding it. You know what I mean. Like it's just what I am, it's what I'm interested in, that's what I talk about. You're the one that's the most stepping to it.
Speaker 2:Yes, exactly, and I don't understand why, and I feel like it's gonna be like this big change, and I don't think so. Well, maybe, maybe I don't know, but I also don't think like nothing is gonna really change except the way you think you perceive yourself, if it changes, that's a big change.
Speaker 2:Well, yes, that's what I'm saying Like an interior change, but it's not like. You know anything, I don't know. You know, it's not like oh son, I'm gonna be like well, I'm going to move to Montana. You guys, I'm doing this now. You know what I mean. Like or maybe who knows? But I don't know.
Speaker 1:Well, there is a pattern, and if you don't want me to keep this in here, I'll take it out. You?
Speaker 2:know you can say whatever you want, You're diminishing yourself. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:And I find that what your statements, that you're making, how you are perceiving, is very much attached to that diminishing so I'm not trying to take this away from myself, but so in therapy I've been doing it.
Speaker 2:If I we spoke about this last time, maybe. So if I do it, just time, I'm doing like what's called internal family system, so it's called it's parts work, right. So what it is is the therapist will be talking and I'll be saying something about that. Like I get scared to shine, right. So hold on, what do you feel? That when you say that? And I'm like well, I noticed, like my, like even now when we're talking about it, I get tight in my shoulders, like I feel my shoulders raise a little bit.
Speaker 2:I've been having like gallbladder stuff that's usually deals with like my frustration about it all I know. But okay, let's talk to it. And you kind of like talk to it and show compassion and like, okay, I understand, there was a reason for you. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. As that starts to happen and that part kinds of calm down, you can feel yourself like more, you step into your power, right, and you feel this different part of yourself that arises. So in Chinese medicine I can make you know, I can put that into a thing like okay, that's the Shen, that's the heart, Like, that's like the seed of the soul, whatever you want to call it, your true self, whatever. And there's all these different parts.
Speaker 2:What I was wondering, I was and this is something I was talking to Pino about as a therapist. I said you guys talk about these parts as if they're like, kind of like these archetypes living within yourself I don't know the word, but you know like, for instance, you live in this home and this home there's you two living here every day and it creates a good energy, and then that energy becomes its own energy, you know. And then there's these beliefs like, and that energy becomes like a living thing. You know what I'm trying to say. I was wondering, like these parts of ourselves, like this part that doesn't want to let me shine, or this other part that's like this and this other part in therapy it's just like this part of it, it's like this energetic. But I'm starting to feel like no, these are all like real spirits living inside of me, not like outside spirits are going to some demon possessing you in a way it is possessing you, but it was created within you.
Speaker 2:It's a part of you actually.
Speaker 1:When I look, when they show me the inner child. You know, when I look within a person and they show me the inner child, it's always being so what? And I mean it's a person, not a being, as you know, an extra, extra core being, but it's a. It's a person, it's a consciousness. So what happens is what they show me is that when an event happens, the mind has to allow, you know, for us, for our own survival, especially since things happen when we're very young and we may not necessarily be able to understand or, you know, work through it. It creates a bubble. This bubble is a bubble of consciousness and the more and this consciousness is part of you, but it holds on to that memory of that instance and everything else that has happened, and it will just keep reclaiming over and over again, and that consciousness keeps getting more and more predominant, depending upon whether or not the person needs it to take care of themselves or not.
Speaker 1:So, inner children and their ego, which is it's actually the voice of the inner child.
Speaker 1:It isn't something that you need to show away or move away or do anything in particular, but it's more the fact that they are holding on to the pain that you experience and everything else in it, until you get to a place in time later on when you're able to revise that pain and all that happened and everything else that has been dumped on there, and then you revise it, you heal it and you work with it. But they have, they take form. You know, when people have like a personality disorder, it's not everybody, not in everybody, but sometimes those personalities are actually inner children and they're wounded because the person was so wounded, was so in such a vulnerable state that you actually ask for the inner child to do the work for you, to become responsible for you, and it's a nice way to detach yourself from the reality of your suffering and the inner child takes over in that sense. So, yes, you perceive it that way, meaning that I see them and they're absolutely very stubborn. Sometimes they're the hardest thing to work with.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and going back to discernment, I find it very, very, very difficult in the sense of like, for instance, as I do more work, you sure, every time I like, for instance when I'm how do you say the more and more I'm doing this work right and I feel like doing this work has actually done more for me than meditation and all of that Like, I'll be honest with you, and I feel, the more and more I'm stepping into that, I'm noticing traits.
Speaker 2:For example, I grew up smoking right, like when I was 15, like that's what my cousins, we all did, it like, we all smoked right. But then I stopped smoking and I've been smoking like maybe over 10 years, but lately the better I feel. I feel like I just feel like having a cigarette and then I can't tell. Is it because, stepping into my true self, that I don't feel like I'm worried about health all the time or this, and that I'm just like no, it's just something I enjoy time to time? Or is it another part of me? Like you know, leilik talks about like upper limits, you know, like when you start to do something and then there's another part of yourself that kind of drives it down and I can't discern which is which.
Speaker 1:I find that, yes, I find that you have to acknowledge each one in order to go on to the next. You can't just bypass it. So if you're meeting yourself, which you're going back in age, so if you're 15, 16 year old, self wants to be known, wants to, is letting you know that it's there and you need to take it in consideration. You have to. If that's presenting to you, then you need to take it in consideration and address whatever that child, that in a child that's holding on, that it's ready to relinquish. Because in a way, it's as if you're actually creating a contract with those in your children and for as long as you're not willing to revise it and find a solution to that, they're the one that are carrying the pain for you. So you work on attracting them into that situation.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like you carry this, why go do this?
Speaker 1:And it's you know. We can live and survive because of that and you've done all this work, you know, for me. But at the same time we can't then complain that we have dysfunctional behaviors because of them. That was their best way to protect us from perceived pain that we're trying to learn from experience.
Speaker 1:But if that in your child is popping up and that desire is there, it's there usually because you need to address it. So, what does a cigarette? Best way to do it is to think what does a cigarette represents to me, what did I associate with that cigarette? What does that, what is the association to it? And you just think about three words that first come off as like when I smoke, or when I smoke, I associate a cigarette with this, that and the other. And think about those three things. We can do it right now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, if I had to say it right now, in the way it's coming up, like when I'm feeling to have a, when I'm getting that sensation, have a cigarette. It's usually like at night, like this, where it's a nice night looking up at the stars and there's something like it gives me that reason. It's not like just getting a cigarette from a pack, it's like sitting there, the ritual, the ritual of rolling it up, sitting there and just like the. It's almost like a meditation.
Speaker 1:So what is the emotion there? What is the feeling associated with that? It feels?
Speaker 2:nice actually.
Speaker 1:But physically.
Speaker 2:I feel like if I do it, I feel like crap, like I don't like the smell, I don't like the taste, but go a little bit difficult saying that it feels nice.
Speaker 1:It doesn't mean anything for yourself. So if you associated something to that, nice feeling.
Speaker 2:What is that? It feels very grounding. What was your?
Speaker 1:first experience, when you had your first cigarette.
Speaker 2:Oh, my first cigarette. I don't really remember. I was with a bunch of my cousins and but was it a happy memory? Yeah, it was happy, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So most of the time we associate, our brains loves to make connection by association, by symbolism. So, a cigarette. If it happened, if it was associated to an event to create a happiness, then the cigarette will always signify happiness. And so when you're replaying that image in your mind oh, I wish I was back to that, you know when you're stressed out you're maybe thinking about that. Oh, I want a cigarette. It's not that you actually want the cigarette. You want to recreate the very first emotions that provided all of this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, in fact again, I know it's not good for you, but a lot of my association with cigarettes is positive. You know what I mean. Sitting there. When I first met Leila, we were sitting at the bar and we went outside the bar. She bought tobacco and we rolled cigarettes and we sat there and smoked it. We're hanging out with my when I lived in Italy, hanging out with Enrico late at night and Florence rolled in a cigarette, just sitting there talking about all this stuff. You know what I mean In our 20s and so there was a sense of like.
Speaker 4:I think that's how every smoker feels, though, yeah, you might get right. Some of your best memories are involved. Are involved with cigarettes, it's true.
Speaker 2:We'd be like together huddled or outside and all having good conversation.
Speaker 1:We also got to have a responsibility. We didn't have to have a job, you didn't have to pay the car insurance.
Speaker 2:Yes, you didn't have to pay bills. And that's exactly the feeling. The feeling is like to sit outside the back of my deck and for that moment, everything disappears and you're just there.
Speaker 1:And the fact is I do that anyway.
Speaker 2:But lately it's just like I would like to do it with a cigarette in my hand and that's interesting. So that's wonderful.
Speaker 1:Actually. It's great because it's letting you know that you're actually craving to recreate that scenario, that feeling. So that means that there is a part another in a child that doesn't like to be burdened with stuff. And it's interesting I've heard you say it a couple of times where I just don't want to be bothered with things. I just want to do it, but I don't want to be bothered with things like with all the other stuff that may require to do whatever We've talked about, whatever that may have been about.
Speaker 1:And it's interesting because now you're saying this and it's like it's clear, your own person is saying look, this is mine, these are my boundaries. So in a way it's like you merging yourself with a boundary and accept it, meaning like, integrate yourself with that boundary, because in that moment you were more your true self. But that means that you need to give yourself the liberty to be that person, the liberty to say you know what? It won't matter, what are the people going to think about me, I'm not going to be all this so that I can, because if it overwhelms me, then I need to do that. But for you it's more about the fact that you haven't. You know well, you were saying that you have this image of yourself and, whether or not, which part of you do you want to be more? You want to be that kid that smokes the cigarette, or that doesn't mean that you have to be that, but you know, like, fully into that, I just want it all to be integrated.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. Like you know what I like is like when I go to my teachers when we were together, almost everyone obviously we're all in Chinese medicine, everyone they watch how they eat. Some of them are vegan, some of them are this, some of them are that, and then you'll be with my teacher, like Pali, you want a piece of cake, like that's the way he talks. You know what I mean, and sometimes I feel like I feel like he just does that to mess with everybody. You know, I don't even know, but I don't even think so. I don't think he really puts that much thought into it. He's just doing what he does and it's funny, he's the teacher, it's everyone else putting all these rules on themselves. You know what I mean? He's just being and I feel like that's what I want to get to.
Speaker 1:So just being yeah. When you were in Italy, this happened because you mentioned being in Italy and night and being out.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Where was the parental? What kind of level of parental control?
Speaker 2:I didn't have any parental control. The parental was papal, living in my head. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1:Hold on, because you're releasing something. That's what it is. That's the association to that. Okay, not because it's to do with the, not because it's a parental control, but the meaning to being in control and being it's coming all the way out from your stomach. But that's why that's coming out, because you're creating that freedom to just be.
Speaker 4:When you, when you were both talking about the cigarettes and what it might do for you or what it is that you, you know, like you were asking them questions.
Speaker 1:What.
Speaker 4:I was getting was. I wonder if there's a memory of your father and your uncles like sitting and they just socializing in this cigarette. Yeah, Bracalabras.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. That's like all of our memories. All our memories are our dad sitting around smoking. Little you know espresso, you know.
Speaker 4:But it's almost as if when you watch them, in that moment you're admiring the adults sitting down without a care in the world. You know you kind of touched upon them when you were saying you know, like the freedom, it's like they were just in the moment enjoying themselves, sliding up the cigarette. There's no judgment, no one's trying to say oh you have you smoke too many, you have too much coffee, you had too much wine, you had too much, this too much. Everyone's just in the moment and it's a part of us. Maybe you experienced this that while you were sitting in your backyard, say, and you just wanted to light up a cigarette, it kind of like took you back in time to a place where you could just sit down and just. You know, I'm not worried about my health, I'm not worried about this, I'm not worried about anything. I'm just enjoying life. Yeah, just enjoying it.
Speaker 2:And this is just helping me enjoy it and it's kind of it feels more. In a weird way it feels more healthy. Yeah, that's the weird part. It feels more healthy to be like that and worrying about everything.
Speaker 2:The thing is is like, for example, with the smoke and when I first started smoking, like I said, I was young when I started, so I was like 15. And then we will go out, you know, you go watch a movie, you come out of the movie and then we would just sit there and have a cigarette and talk about it in the parking lot. You know what I mean. But then the problem is is like, and then you would go to work, we cut grass and stuff like that, and then you would just be sitting there like smoking a lot. And then, where the enjoyment becomes an addiction, and then it becomes like it just feels gross and you could feel a drive in you, you're not in control Exactly, and that's how you even feel about spirituality, right, like you meditate and you do all these things and you feel something happening, right?
Speaker 2:And then it's like I need to meditate more and I need to do this and I need to do. I'm not doing enough, I'm not. And then it becomes like this addiction, like this addiction like I need, like it becomes there's a drive, like there's a drive that I'm going to get to something that never comes.
Speaker 4:You know what I mean. Because there was an expectation of some kind of an outcome, yes, versus just sitting down and naturally meditating, because you weren't looking to meditate, but you're so relaxed, you just mind is just wandering and that becomes meditative and in that and in that point in time you're actually in peace with everything and you're just allowing yourself to be and just drift off into experience life, the thoughts that come into your mind. No judgment. Why am I thinking this? Why am I thinking I know you just taking it all in, there's no expectation of anything to happen, but then you have such a good time the next time you meditate. I want to experience this. I want to experience that Right.
Speaker 2:And then your mind is just like this, and then you don't get the desired outcome.
Speaker 4:So what do you do? Okay, I'll do it again tomorrow. And now you're forcing yourself to take you to that place.
Speaker 2:You know when you're saying that reminds me of something. I had this nice experience. So during the art show, eric his name is Eric Soros he did like the sculptures so beautiful, you should check them out. But all his sculptures are. They're very beautiful Because they're all like these, like strong beings Did we talk about this last time? So they're the strong, but like one is a person in the lotus position, like in meditation. The other ones I can explore. The other one is it looks like the desert warrior, like there's all these different ones, but all of them are wrapped. They're all like, wrapped as in, like mummy linens or something like that, like they can't see or anything else. And he, you know, he's a longtime Zen Buddhist practitioner, great martial artist, whatever. So in the thing of his show there's like this Zen poem thing and it says Seekers, seek, seekers, seek, finders, find, and winders, wind, right.
Speaker 2:And when the other day, tuesday, I went for a walk, I'm at high rocks, I'm walking, and I just said I'm going to go off the path and see if I can wrap myself around like this and come up right. So I'm doing that. Obviously it's a slope, I'm walking and now the leaves are starting to fall. It was a little bit slippery, it was a kind of damp out this week. So I'm walking and I take like a fall, like I fall, like I'm lucky I didn't hit my head on the rock, because I fall and I land on this like boulder and I'm like this, like my back is messed up, I messed up my hand a little bit and I'm laying there and for some reason when I hit the thing that like little poem goes in my head Seekers, seekers, seek finders, find winders, wind.
Speaker 2:And I was thinking what came to me right away was what am I seeking, what am I finding and what am I winding? And I just started cracking up laughing and I was sitting there laughing and I get up and in my head it's like I felt like I was a living, like Japanese poem, like because I left, I got up walking and I'm thinking Seekers, seek finders, find winders, wind. You know, middle-aged man with achy back walks to his car, you know, what I mean, because in the end, that's all.
Speaker 2:That was like what the fuck was I looking for all this time, right, and all the bull crap that I intertwined myself with all this time, and it felt so in that moment it was so easy. You know what I mean, and that is like that, just like that. Like why am I putting so much thought into a fucking cigarette? You know what I mean. It doesn't have to be so heavy. I made it become something heavy, but no, it was actually. There is like everything. There's a little bit of beauty and a little bit of things that suck and everything rolled up into everything. You know it's with everything.
Speaker 2:I don't know. I just didn't need to be so heavy. I guess is what I was going to do.
Speaker 1:I think it was. It's a great story, though it's your wonderful storyteller, so I think that's you know. I think a lot of people can relate to that, to what you're saying, right? Now. But I also think that without being inquisitive as human beings, we wouldn't have discovered as many things as we have.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm not saying like yeah, there's a balance to everything. I guess it comes down to balance and to know we have to. I think you're talking about self-regulation. I don't think there is a. It's a bad thing to ask yourself, well, am I doing too much of this, you know? Or to catch yourself when you're falling into that rabbit hole. And then you're like, oh my god, I went too far, I need to pull myself back, and I think we all do that in all kinds of ways. You know, we got to be kind with ourselves, because we may not necessarily know until we get there. And then we're like, oh, wait a minute, I went too far, I didn't mean, you know, it's also teaching me to be kind with others.
Speaker 2:Because I'm realizing, like I think I'm such a small being to capture the whole truth. I don't, I just don't think I can encompass it in this body. So what if there's like another piece of the truth? You have it, and then you have it. So I was thinking like yeah, maybe it's just not in my lifetime to go all the way in like something like you know, like somebody that created a martial art, or someone that created anything you know, or did anything, someone that's a fantastic engineer maybe they had to push the. You know what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 2:Like I what I'm realizing is like I can't judge anybody because I just don't know their plot in this life. I don't, I don't know it. All I can know is and I don't even know mine it's like unfolding as I go along. You know what I mean and I don't know. It just makes me feel like it's all nice and it's all and it's all beautiful and I can't judge anybody because, like, imagine if I just sat with my 20 year old self that was talking about the things we're talking about now and now we'd be like shut the fuck up you know I didn't mean like, who knows, maybe the me next week is gonna feel the same thing about me talking tonight, you know.
Speaker 2:But we're all at these, we're doing all these different things. I don't know, I know, I feel like it's not clear.
Speaker 1:I think you're very clear. I think you're making statements are very, very clear.
Speaker 1:Think of it, even what we're doing here, you know, together the four of us, and in the future with other people too. I already found that because of our conversation, it's already allowed me to be open to other, you know, to other things. I haven't really explored things, you know, for the past couple of years, meaning that in prior to the pandemic or the COVID, I did a lot of inner exploration and journeys and gather information and it was all beautiful, and then at some point I was like, you know, I'm kind of tired of that, I'm done with it. I think I've reached a place that I want to be and I'm good, and whenever the effort to meet will present itself, I'll just, you know, start doing that again, or whenever, although usually when I do sessions there's always a little piece of things that come up and you know, for exploration, but, oh my god, I forget now where I was going.
Speaker 4:Now you know how I feel, because I'm an opportunity.
Speaker 1:What are we talking about? Oh, no, the four of us. The thing that what I love about it is that, because of who we are, which are completely different beings, it's actually allowing. I think you know and I think Christina can probably say that too that at least I found in myself was, like you know what I'm rethinking about things and exploring concepts and questioning and asking myself is this how I want it or do I want it to have a different reality and a different truth?
Speaker 1:And there's no better gift than that in life, to tell you the truth, seeing how hard it takes for someone, for anyone, for anyone of us, to go from. Think about yourself, you know, or I'll think about myself, the person that I was in my teens to 20s and my 30s, and the wonderful 50s that I'm in right now it's I've enjoyed every decade, I've enjoyed every step of the way and I can look back and see, you know, why things happened the way that did happen. I don't want to go back and redo it, you know, with the knowledge that I have today, because it would change the experience in the person that I'm with today.
Speaker 1:So there's no point in doing that. And, like you said, I think the journey is, yes, there's an enormous amount of hardship, but at the same time it's quite. You can find beauty.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's just about into anything that you want to.
Speaker 2:So you know, just going back to what you were just saying, like us starting to have these type of conversations, like even for myself, like right now, I feel like there's this place of exploration, like I'm looking into different things, but I really find I look forward to talking. Maybe I like to hear myself talk, I don't know. But I think it's more the subject matter that we're talking about and the fact that it's freeing, like we can go wherever we want, and there's something about I look so forward to our nights together. I really do.
Speaker 1:I do too, we all do yeah.
Speaker 4:I feel the same way, even though I'm quiet a lot of the time, especially tonight In this segment, it's bought by lucky strike cigarettes.
Speaker 2:So I have a question for you. When you were saying it's making you rethink certain things and how you want your reality to be, and have you feel like you've found any clarity for what you, or it's just more of like an exploration?
Speaker 1:I've never really looked for clarity besides for my own, like my own struggles emotional struggles, but for how things are in the world. I've always looked at it, probably because I've always had this ability to see another world To me, something weird. There's always been something weird, so it's not. I don't. I'm not courteous about it, because there's always been around me, so it's not that, but it makes it. It makes it where you know something has been presented to me. I think I like that better and I just go with that.
Speaker 1:And just move on to the next level, because I also know that when I do that, then there's going to be something else will be open in front of me, and I that's. I'm curious about that, but not within a hurry.
Speaker 1:I'm never in a hurry to get out there, because I think that's also not a mistake that a lot of people do is that you may have a target or an objective to get somewhere and you are not enjoying the journey to get there. And you really do want to, you know. Enjoy the journey mostly because so that you don't get to do it all over again, because that's usually if you're not absorbing more learning whatever it is that you're supposed to learn, you know, then unfortunately we get to do it again.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And the different experience, and I don't like to do things again. That's something I don't like. Well, how about you?
Speaker 2:Gustina, to what, what Like, like kind of the same questions, like from us having these conversations. Is there anything that comes up for you that like made you sort of thinking, like maybe something like Leo or Simona said that you start to feel like it kind of sticks with you, it's resonated with you or challenged you?
Speaker 4:I don't know if I've come across anything yet.
Speaker 2:to be honest, or was there anything like after we left? You're like man, I really wish I spoke about that, or I wish I said this. I know it's putting you on the spot, right. Right, yeah nothing that I can think of right now I feel like I've been learning a lot, you know, especially listening to.
Speaker 4:Simona and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:How about yourself? I mean, I know for you, Leo, that this subject of like channeling has been something for you.
Speaker 4:Well, when you were talking about yourself earlier, I mean, I saw myself in a lot of what you were saying and there were times when I did feel the pressure in my head and there were times when I would say something and I'm like this is my ego speaking, is it them? I can't remember exactly, but I know there were times when I had to walk up to someone and I say something to them, and I knew it wasn't that I wanted to and it wasn't that I saw someone in need, but I felt pushed. Did you act on it? Yeah, yeah, and, and again. I'm trying to recall what it was, and sometimes it's not necessarily something that I had to say to them, but it's more like the energy that I brought into the surrounding that they were able to just get over what they were experiencing. And you know, everything was okay and I just had to give them that space, that ball of energy or something to make them feel comfortable or happy or to make peace with something.
Speaker 4:And you know, I'm sure it happened a couple of times. I just can't remember them all.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you've mentioned to me about that. Yeah, I just don't have.
Speaker 4:I can't think of it right now.
Speaker 1:When you used to have. You used to go through these to like gatherings you know, spiritual gatherings and for the workshops and that you always were the type of person that created this space for people to release.
Speaker 4:You just made me remember a particular scenario. I went to a class in New York City to develop intuition and I don't know if we were talking about the instructor was talking about channeling or just be like psychic abilities and there was about, I would say, 15 people in the group, mostly women, very, very few guys and they were the women were telling me this crazy thing that was happening with them. One such sat to the left of me or one sat to the right of me and while we were, you know, doing some practice runs of a certain exercise, the woman on my left says she could not can stop her head from turning and what going towards me. And the woman on my right says she had this overwhelming feeling that she had to turn the head and look at me and just stay in that position. I could you know? Like what the hell is all that about? I'm thinking to myself.
Speaker 4:Later on in the class, there was another woman that sat maybe across from me, gave me a message and she said to me you will have a three something. So she goes. I have a message for you and that message is you have the ability to do something, but you have to agree to sign up for it. You know this is what you want you to do, but they need your permission. And I said sure, but I honestly don't remember what the exact message was, and it'll come to me and it was just odd that two women both and I decided we both needed to face me and they felt like something was taking their head and just turning it. And then someone across the room needs to tell me, validate, like there was something going on. And I think what she said was you hold the energy for everyone in this room. I think that's what it was.
Speaker 4:Like what like a generator. Yeah, yeah, and maybe the people on either side of me, they felt that energy and they were like kind of drawn to like turn their attention toward it. I don't know, and I I most of the times is something like that. I'm just very quiet because I feel like there's either something going on or I'm not up to par with everybody else. But there's a part of me that feels like I just have to be, and me in that state of being allows everyone else to accomplish what they need to do. So I was holding the energy for everyone in the room.
Speaker 4:You know you know, I don't, I wish we would explain statements.
Speaker 1:I explain it to you all the time.
Speaker 4:I want to hear it for the 1000th time.
Speaker 1:The time is that I witness miracles or the times where, like what you're saying, which just made me think of this, okay, where I am not, it's an impromptu type of situation which happened often when I go to my do my nursing job, and when it just in the moment and you're not really thinking about things, you're not measuring yourself and about anything. You just know you got to do a job, you do it without you know there's no exchange of anything else besides the energy between the people and and just the knowledge that something has been exchanged. In that moment it's you know, I don't. I find it that, especially when there is nothing else involved in that exchange is actually I'm not over thinking and the person doesn't know anything about me. I just go in and I just do something and it just it's marvelous to change that you actually witness with people.
Speaker 1:in that it always surprises me how that can happen, and I think that's what you're describing too, when you're saying that I don't remember the words that you used, but I think you've diminished yourself in a way. But when you said you're just quiet, you quiet yourself in a way. That's what made me think of that.
Speaker 2:You're not feeling. You're up to par.
Speaker 1:You're up to par. Yes, that was the diminishing part, but the unassuming aspect of energy. Energy doesn't need anything besides the person kind of.
Speaker 1:You know, like we call ourselves vessels in a way and that's what you are right and if you're taking, if you're going into that, into that quiet place where you're not thinking about anything with your conscious self, is actually what's interfering with all those kind of things and you're just allowing to be without nothing else, and you are in that perfect space. Miracles happen. That's the place that miracles happen, but you don't need to know because you're not looking for gratification.
Speaker 1:You're not looking for proof, you're not looking to, you're not questioning whether or not it's real. You, just in a moment, you have this exchange of energy, this experience, and then you walk away and you could just be strangers and you're done. That's a miracle. You. I find that miracles happen more often in those moments.
Speaker 4:Another part that just I just remember it was in that particular case and many, many others, the women that are near me start to cry, like there's some kind of emotional release that I allow for them to experience or to put them to have, without even trying to do anything. It's just sitting next to me, they had an emotional release and that happened with a lot of people when I'm in groups similar to that. Just by being near me they had, they just I remember telling it is that you know, women, they just had to cry around me like what did I do? But it was just being next to me.
Speaker 4:So I don't know, I don't know if I ever really understand it, but I know what happens and I just allow it to just be, allow it to happen without trying to. I would never actually like why did you want to cry? I just I just know that they were able to let go of something and that's, that's enough to make it's sort of like when we first met and you were doing that lecture at one of Greg's expos and I knew that you know maybe you were a little nervous to get up there, you were starting out and I knew something kind of told me inside my head just hold the space part. That's what I did.
Speaker 1:You did and I thank God. I was super nervous. What were you doing?
Speaker 2:Is that like you guys met at like a talk?
Speaker 1:We met through the spiritual circles. I think, you came to my work the very first workshop, which was about angels, and then the very next event was an event where someone else was orchestrating, which is Greg, and I said I want you to come over and just talk to my dog. And I was like, oh my God, and I agreed, but I didn't. It was the very first time to talk to like the whole room.
Speaker 4:About 20 people 20, 30 people.
Speaker 1:What was the stream name?
Speaker 2:It was like before your meditations.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I remember that, like your house was packed.
Speaker 1:It was.
Speaker 2:And I also remember going to one of your classes oh, that's right when Indigo was here with Emma, I broke down quickly. I don't remember.
Speaker 1:I was there. I was there for that. Remember that.
Speaker 2:A circle of miracles. You did a thing and then Emma had like a huge breakdown and I remember it was like it's hard man, to control the room because you were trying to, like, do something and then there was these two women. Do you remember that? Everyone was getting extremely pissed off Really. I remember that because these two women, I forgot what they were doing, but they kept like bringing it back, like you were trying to teach them. I have like like they just wanted like psychic, like readings off of you basically.
Speaker 2:No I remember one lady was like something just popped out.
Speaker 4:Oh, that's right. And you were just like yeah, that's the mat, you know. Like at one point you just started being like okay, like you know like, stop, no like yeah.
Speaker 1:I do remember that. I don't remember at all, but I did too many, you know, not too many. I did a lot of things and I don't remember.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know, it's a lot.
Speaker 1:Which is okay. But yes, it's always been a fun experience to do that kind of stuff, you know so. But it's interesting that, speaking of that, the stage part one side just say, okay, I'm coming in, new people, they just come in and they start, they just hand me, just talk, and then I just rely on that completely, and it makes it so much, it makes it really easy for me, like I don't, I don't get in the way. I don't just go wherever it's being shown or said, so that helps a lot.
Speaker 2:But do you ever dude? Does anything ever get you? Knocks you out into your mind, Like, for instance, like a trans channel.
Speaker 2:Like for instance like I never when I would do like if I was asked to talk somewhere. I never prepare something, because if I prepare it, I know like the way it feels, Like I don't like that feeling, Like that it's like, and then blah, blah, blah, blah. So I'll just go in there and like I'm really like circle miracles. I probably spoke in there like three, four times or something and they would always ask like well, paolo, we need a topic that we're going to like advertise you as I'm like.
Speaker 2:I don't know, just pick whatever you want, like I don't really care. And then I would just like say like let's talk about I don't know whatever, but then I would never talk about what they wrote because I just like whatever would come. That day will come and I remember this. One day I said I remember I was speaking and who knows what the hell I was saying and I really don't know. But I was saying something and I said something about light workers and I said I don't know, I don't know, I don't really know what a light worker is. I don't know what it is.
Speaker 2:I forgot what I said, but someone must have gotten a little bit offended by that, because then they stopped and they said hi, my name is. I forgot the name. I'll just say like Michelle. Hi, my name is Michelle and I'm a light worker. And they started talking about like as if they got offended by me, saying I don't know what that is and I don't really like. I guess my way of saying was like I don't care what it is Like, and when she did that it knocked me Like it knocked me from what I was doing and it put me in my mind like, oh no, this lady thinks I offended her and then from there it's like it was weird. It's like I don't even know what I'm talking about, you know? Like I didn't even know the subject.
Speaker 2:It's like you got popped back in you know, sorry, and it was just very interesting, you know, and that happened to other talks where I had this old lady kind of like. She got like she questioned me on something and then I don't know and it like totally threw me off because I was like I don't know what I was and it's just because I'm in a groove, you can say channeling whatever you want to say. I was just going and then it put me in my mind and then, once I was in my mind, it's like what were we talking about?
Speaker 1:You know, what.
Speaker 2:I mean, and it's like now I feel like I'm bullshitting my way through this.
Speaker 4:That's exactly what happened to me when I was at Rio Brux. That's exactly what happened. I got in front of about 50 people and I was going to do this my first time. I was, you know, we talked about this in the past and I've heard, you know. So I'm trying to channel the angels and I took company with Saranis and I said, all right, I'm leaving it up to you guys to take me through this.
Speaker 4:You know, and while I'm doing my thing and all of a sudden people started talking. I can hear people coming in the back, the front door, and other people joking around, and I'm even listening to me, and it's like I can hear the thoughts of everybody in the room all at the same time. And that just kind of bounced me right out of it, you know. And I tried to get back in, and then the other people talking, because they were so far back that they couldn't even hear me, so they were just having their conversations, but I couldn't hear them and I just couldn't focus and I felt like I had to say something and like what am I doing now? You know, I'm not even channeling anymore. Yeah, but that's okay.
Speaker 4:No. I know that but it was disturbing because I kept going in and out, in and out, in and out and I found some point that said, that's it.
Speaker 1:You know, I'm done. It has happened to me when I did like where I I guess you call this being bumped out. It's not as much as being bumped out, like the times that I remember will be like if I pick a person and I say, okay, they're showing this, this and the other. And the person no, that's not me. And they're saying, nope, that's exactly that person. This is exactly what you need to say to this person. I'm like, well, look, they're still showing this. Then the other no, no, that's not me, that's not me, and it's it's. It's like they can get very persistent where they want me to do something for that person, but the person is not willing to accept it. And I'm not saying that I'm always right.
Speaker 1:It's very likely that the person is not thinking or I may not be translating what they're showing at the right way or using the right words. So the person is like, oh yeah, that's right. Or just forgotten, because often times they're talking about events that could have happened 30, 40 years past and they've probably forgotten or they haven't thought about it in a long time, and so I usually will just say all right, well, you know, do you have any questions? If you have any questions, please do, because right now this is what I'm hearing and they're not. You know, I learned to not make it an issue Like again. They talk me through it, they show me what to do in these cases.
Speaker 2:But like, instead of being like shit, I'm wrong, no, no, no, like it's just like yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:Well, the person is not, because obviously they are always not going to say they're always right, but they do say the right stuff. Yeah, if it's not accepting it, that's okay.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to make it an issue I've seen that happen with. I used to have this patient years ago that she went to you and she was always talking about like I wish I knew looking into it. But I have a friend that does it and she came to you and when I asked her how to wear it, she's like totally wrong, totally wrong. And then she told me what Samona says and I'm listening. I'm like how is that wrong? Like everything she said, everything you told her was actually to me true, like you are.
Speaker 2:You said the thing that she was kind of upset about, that you said that like she's not valued in her family and her all, her struggle of all she ever talked about me with me for two years almost on a weekly basis when I would treat her, is how her family treated her. And it was so interesting. I'm like how are you, how? How are you saying that's wrong, because people are not wrong? But she was like, yeah, she just they don't want to say it, so I can get. I can get that like if someone's saying like no, that's not me.
Speaker 1:But they usually tell me and those don't say this person is not ready to hear, but you still need to say it because you're planking the seat.
Speaker 2:So yeah, they tell me not to make it.
Speaker 1:It's not about me. The message is the message. So, right, put me through a rigorous exercise of getting people upset with me and they kept saying, no, you still have to say this. This is what's going on. The person is not accepting it because they're in this place, they're in denial Whatever you need to say. And those are the people down here. One, two, three years down the road, I'm saying you know what? I'm so sorry for the way I behaved, but you were absolutely right. But they didn't have time, but the scene needs to be planted at some point.
Speaker 1:So when you were saying before how we get used, I was like yeah thank you, you could have given me a heads up that you were going to use me to be the instigator of, you know, someone being upset. Because you will. It's not just for beauty and prettiness and wonderful and oh, you know, you did such a great job. It's sometimes you get, you act as the person that promotes a healing by creating friction in the person, and that's okay. So you don't have to mind.
Speaker 2:When I first started working like this is like 10 years ago this woman used to come to me and all she would ever talk about was her dynamic with her mom, and I would like our big conversations were always like you really need to look into this relationship with your mom, like, like you could. The way she's speaking, she just wants to break away from her mom, and then when I would kind of give inklings of that, it would like she would go harder no, like, no, that's my mom, that's my mom, you know. So finally she stopped seeing me, right, she just didn't want to listen to kind of our conversations and obviously I wasn't very skillful, maybe at our conversations. Then I run into her, literally like three years later, just walking down the street, and what did she do? She? She hugs me with a big smile and looks at me. Says, guess what? My mom's dead. Like, like, like with a smile. It's crazy, yeah, but relief. It's like I was like but, that's.
Speaker 1:That's the thing I think the biggest part about being a healer not the biggest part. One of the many parts is the fact that you have to honor the fact that people are wherever they need to be.
Speaker 1:And it isn't for us to as much as you want to, as much as it will be easier. But if it's not their time to see things and they're not ready for it, they can still receive the information, because that alone will start the process. But they may not necessarily be ready to hear and so it's never. It's never about you. So if a person gets upset to this, this is a message for the healers. You know, if they ever get to hear this, mr realized that you function as a healer, even if it appears as if you didn't do anything.
Speaker 1:Because, even then, not doing anything is part of the healing, and it isn't for us to judge in any sense or to decide what we should be doing. If you find yourself deciding that you need to do this for this person it's more likely or not it's your inner self that is saying that. And your own, you know, dealings they have to work through, Usually if it's through guidance, and that's another the way to get outside of that.
Speaker 1:This is what I did with my people. I said okay then, since I don't want to be bothered with you know, discern or trying to figure out what I'm doing or not. So everybody that comes to me is because they need whatever it is that I can do for them, and God, that happened again. I forgot in the next thing, and that's because I'm channeling, so they just move so fast that I'm not I can't say the next thing fast enough. I'm sorry I'm not talking as fast, but that's okay, I don't remember anymore. So that's it.
Speaker 2:Have you ever been? Out like randomly, where someone like you're out at a grocery store somewhere, and you felt like you had to give someone a message. And you've given it to them, yeah, and how was it received? Where they received it? It was very well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, usually very well, does it happen a lot often. I don't like to be to have that type of thing being like a nurse.
Speaker 1:that happens often or I've done it many times where I work in the emergency room and I've had people.
Speaker 1:I'm often in triage and so I'm talking to people and I've had patients that come in and they're like I can't do this, and I've been going from doctor to doctor and it's the one place. They're just there, at that place where they can't no longer hold it. And I'm seeing their family member who's passed and saying it's because of this, this and the other, and I'm like mm-hmm and I said I just sit there, sit there, sit there. And then I mentioned okay, I said that they're going to accept it because I can give them this message, if that's what you want me to do. And so they say yes, and then I go and I've talked to people on that chair in triage and say look, this is what's going on. I'm sorry, this is what I also do. I have this part of this gift and ability and you know, this is what I'm hearing. This is what I think you should go and people get off on that chair. I probably get fired if I say this. Then they go home so they can see them.
Speaker 1:Like they do the tips and steps that they need to take which is nice. And at least it gets them closer to an answer than they. You know they struggle up until now. It's awful, it's awful to have so many people coming through that. You know we're handling from the medical aspect, just we're handling just the physical body and not taking any consideration that there is. The emotional body is often time responsible for a lot of the things that go through in the product situation, but anyway, that's the term.
Speaker 2:You know, this is kind of going off in a different way. I give a go to like an airport and like, have a long layover in the airport. You kind of feel like I kind of like it. You know, like I like being in airports because I feel like it's like a portal, like you're just sitting there in limbo, yeah Right, and it's kind of fun just to watch in people and I don't know there's something about it. I think it's because, like you have nothing that you can do except just relax and just do nothing, right.
Speaker 2:I kind of get the same feeling in hospitals, like anytime I've been in a hospital, I feel like it's a portal. And then when my son was born, I was like I don't know. I felt like, um, wow, like this place, this floor right here, it's all day long. It's like kids are just coming through, like new beings are just coming through, right. So it's like a portal. But then there's also another place where people are constantly leaving, right. So working in a hospital, being sensitive the way you are, do you get that feeling like it's just like? You're just feeling it's almost like an airport of like.
Speaker 1:I not as much as a ham, but but yes, I can see how that can be interpreted that way. For me, it's more like the happiness of the energies that it gets accumulated. It's actually a place of stagnation, because many people come in and they have all this. They're bringing in the heaviness of the emotions associated to all the problems, and so that's what I perceive the most.
Speaker 2:And it's just so. How do you deal with that? Like you're going in there and being in it all the time.
Speaker 1:I just I clear, clear, clear. I'll just myself the place and I constantly working on that and then I'm clear myself, but it's it's like walking through mud up to your waist, really up to your chest actually. It's like very dense and very thick and I know I mean we talked about this. I don't know if we've talked over here over this, this channel, but I don't really do protection because it doesn't really work, at least not for me.
Speaker 1:But I am a generator of energy, same as you are, leo, in a sense, and I'm one of those people who can get rid of a lot of stuff that people experiences, whatever what's the call identified as negative entities of any kind, and it's something that I've been doing for a long time and I have little bit to do and I feel that it's the least that I can do in that space, because I can see the changes in the person very quickly. So at least I can clear your energy, but only if they tell me, meaning that I'm not going to everybody and just doing something, if my people come in and say, hey, we can do something, but then I'll do it. So I don't infringe into that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a boost to happen.
Speaker 1:But it doesn't stop. It's a constant coming and going. So can you imagine? And just nobody's walking around clearing and it's like a place that people come for answers. I wanna feel better, I wanna heal, I wanna be better, and they're hoping for answers. So that's where the energy's accumulating and doesn't have a way to go anywhere else. And the airport is a little bit different because you actually have a lot of people coming and going, but usually people are pretty happy about my successful work.
Speaker 1:And then you have that type of energy, but it's also a lot more open, whereas in the hospital, people stay in the hospital people die in the hospital, and that's also. There's a lot of that going on.
Speaker 1:A lot of beings walking around and popping inside in the room, inside people's rooms. It's kind of like we've been real busy for you in the hospital. It's really busy. You have a lot going on. It is something, but I can close it, meaning that I can apply that aspect and do my job, and not who won't buy it Only unless it's really absolutely necessary. So you, usually it helps a lot to know what's going on with the person. So I mean, really it's very rare.
Speaker 2:Do you feel like there's an aspect? I know it feels like I'm interviewing you now, but is there an aspect of your life that you like? Do you enjoy doing the nursing, or would you rather be doing? More of the metaphysical work Helping.
Speaker 1:The way that the healthcare is. At this point I've really taken all the joy out of it.
Speaker 2:So I don't enjoy the nursing.
Speaker 1:It's just a vehicle for me to support.
Speaker 2:You know I try to believe in that kind of thing.
Speaker 1:So, but I do. I recognize myself as a healer, like an energy healer, working with people. I enjoy bringing happiness to people in the best way that I can, and not because I need everybody to be happy, but in a sense that I can see that. I know that usually at the end of the session, I know where you're going and I'm happy about that for you, because I can see you where you were and I know where you're going and that's my biggest joy into knowing that at least I've helped someone not being stuck in their own place. So definitely that's my passion and I'm working on that and making sure that that becomes my full-time only thing. So from the time being, this is what I'm doing right now I'm doing both.
Speaker 1:While chasing a dream. While I'm chasing my dream, I'm taking care of business.
Speaker 2:Yeah, when you were saying that before about making your own reality, and I guess when I was asking everybody from the conversations, has it opened up anything?
Speaker 2:that's what I guess what I was wondering, like by having these conversations, has it opened you up to like, yeah, where is it that I'm going? Because for myself, that's where I had the most difficult thing is like I don't have a vision about what I want in 10 years or what I see myself doing in 10 years. I'm always just kind of like going. You know what I mean, and wherever I go, I go I'm like, oh, like this, like I enjoy this. Okay, I'll do it again. And then, like I would like to be that guy That'd be like I wanna see myself. I would like, in five years, to see myself doing this. I just don't have that, you know.
Speaker 1:So I packed actually a conversation with a friend of mine that does natal charts that is an astrological placement of your planets and tells you. I find it amazing what these people can do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know, it is pretty cool, it is absolutely mind blowing and it makes me wonder.
Speaker 1:You know, when I think about energetic, like when I do a reading, I can actually pick up on things like that. I can say you know you're going through this period because it looks like there is this planet, or you know it's an energetic period, it's from this time and that time and something that started, whatever, and I'm sure it will probably coincide to their natal chart. I don't know anything about astrology, I don't care for it because it's too much information, you know, for me like.
Speaker 1:I don't want it and that's perfectly fine, but it was, it's mind boggling what they can show you and I find that in this moment where you're looking to kind of narrow it down, it can actually help into that, because at least they can tell you what is what's happened in your life and the fact that you see the things that have happened to you are in your natal chart because of freaking planets, are all over in your signs or whatever you know. Again, I don't know the terminology, but it just to me it's just mind boggling. I was like, okay, also, it wasn't just an accident, so I guess it's. I haven't asked the question to my guys into what is the correlation between the planetary influence, their energetic imprints and how, how, why is that reflecting what's already on our life path? You know life path Because to me that looks like more like a map, but I never see planets around that I mean, I can ask if there is and they'll show it to me, but I don't feel that there is.
Speaker 1:When I look at life path they're ever showing the planet. But I think anyway I'm going off tangent. But if you're looking for answers, I think that probably that would be something beneficial to do unless you've already done it and you kind of know. You know where you're going. Not because it tells you everything that you're doing, but I think it makes. It gives rhyme and reasons to why certain things are happening to you and what are the things that you have to look out for, what you have to work on and why, if you feel a certain way, there is a planetary influence and it just absolutely matches everything and it's just amazing. Yeah, it is really cool.
Speaker 2:I have a friend of mine that she does astrology and she stopped recently. But I actually want to invite her to come on because she's such a cool person. You guys would really love her. And what I find interesting is that she stopped doing charts, and when I mean like she is so wonderful at it and she even does different styles of chart, I didn't even know there was different styles, Like there's like you know, Vedic and Hellenistic she called it, and all these different ones.
Speaker 2:So when I helped her out with something, she's like I would like to do your chart, and at the time I don't know I don't really remember why I said no, thank you. So she, I said but you could do Issa's chart. So she did my son's chart and when she did it I thought it was so interesting because I thought I really didn't know much about it at all. I thought it was so interesting that I said, oh, can you do my chart and put it on top of Issa's chart and then see how like, so I know like how to work with him, how to help him. So she said, okay, and she ended up doing my chart.
Speaker 2:And what I found was really interesting is that there was like numbers on the side. It was like 17,. I forgot the exact numbers. So I asked about she goes well, I'll get to that in a minute, I'll get to that. And she was, you know, talking about my chart, blah, blah, blah. And then when she gets to those numbers, she goes they're around the ages where you were betrayed in your life, and every single I can look at I'm like, oh yeah, that's when this person took, you know, close friend, took my girlfriend. This is when this happened. This is when this happened.
Speaker 2:And they were all there and she said the interesting thing is, even if you knew and you told these people you're going to betray me and they said I will never do that, it's still what happened. She's like it was so written for you that it was meant to happen. Whether it was karma, she said it was more. That that's a very. It was very specific way for me to learn certain things and it was ways of like turning points in my life and it was like they were all very, very. It was very true. Now I just can't remember if there was anything after 45.
Speaker 1:If I get betrayed or not, that's probably the time, to you know, to redo it probably. I asked her you will get the answer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I asked her and she's kind of reluctant to do it. Yeah, and the reason and that's what I would like to have her on is that she said the reason why she wanted to stop doing it is because, kind of like, remember how you were taught, when Christina was saying that when we were at your thing and those women were like saying, oh, I see this. And they kept interrupting with all these things. She said it becomes the same way. She goes.
Speaker 2:I have clients that will call me up, but I think I want to take a vacation. Can you check on my in the chart when's the best date for vacation? And she's like it's more of a guide, like she's like you know what I mean, but like you can't make it do every decision for you or else you're not living, you know. And she said she kind of got like discouraged with it and she felt like I just feel like I need to stop it, at least for right now, you know. So I get it, I know I get it, but she's so talented and it is beautiful. I would love to have a talk with her. Oh yeah, you guys would really get along. She's super cool.
Speaker 1:That would be awesome to have her to do these talks, and I think for people to that would be.
Speaker 1:I would love to ask her that question and see if she found any. What is the connection to them? And I guess the one thing that it just keeps popping in my head is the fact that it is as much as I don't like the idea to think that we live in like a holographic type of world. It's just a nice, huge illusion, and so if it's an illusion or it's a holographic, that means there's many aspects, many placements of different things that can be interpreted. Or they will give you the same message, or you can get to the answer in the same way, almost like a game, when you're playing one of those fancy games and you're supposed to get to that island but you're the only way that you know. You got a map and you're gonna go over that bridge, but there's obstacles and now you're gonna go on the chase just to get to that island. That's what it kind of feels like as I'm asking that question, that's what I'm hearing and getting back in that way For some reason. I don't necessarily like the notion of that.
Speaker 2:Right. So I don't know, yeah, I don't know, and that's something I would like to speak to her about, like something my teacher says. You know they do a lot of astrology in the Taoist tradition too. He says the more faith you have in it, the more true it is Right. So the more like those people calling her for dates on what day to go on vacation, they're giving all their power to it. Yes, absolutely, and then they have no free will.
Speaker 2:Yes, right they give up their free will. And it's kind of like saying the way I look at it is like that's your gym, like that's my DNA, like no matter what, I will always carry the DNA of my mom's side, the family, my father's side, the family, but how much power I allow it to have over me. I have some saying in that Right. Actually, I have a lot of saying in that you do Right and I think it's the same thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's kind of a similar thing. It's a good way to put it. Yeah, it stops a little bit.
Speaker 2:But it'll be cool. Yeah, should we stop for a second?
Speaker 1:So, yes, and because of after the COVID, and I'm thinking I don't really want to be out there. I don't want to do workshops. I don't feel like I don't feel drawn to do workshops. Maybe some, but not a lot, not that way. I feel more like maybe create a course and then put it out there. I don't feel drawn to be in front of people as much in that way like a one-to-one besides sessions, not as a group.
Speaker 1:And I was struggling with that a lot because I wasn't. I didn't know what it meant, because I felt a disconnect to all of that and it made me question a lot about all the time and effort that I put into what I did and whether or not it was me. Was I burnout? Was I, you know? Was I need to make a change or I need to look into myself? And is it me? You know, you kind of start questioning yourself.
Speaker 1:And then my friend Kim brought that opportunity for me to start doing illustrations for children's book, and the first time I don't even remember, but she mentioned it to me like a year prior and I didn't want to do it then and I said I'm not the right person, I don't know how to do illustration. But this time it actually felt really much in alignment and I took it. And then, when you proposed this, I also felt very often, like you know Leo talks about it a lot, because I do channel I was like, why are you into channel, why we should channel? We should just do that. And it's not an easy thing to do as two people, because you need someone to ask a question so that then you can start doing the talking and you're not.
Speaker 1:You know, I can start talking about whatever, but there has to be a theme of some kind, you know, or at least for me. So you come into us and ask him to do these type of podcasts. I think it's fantastic and I felt very much in alignment, I think because, again, you going with that, going back to that intuition, that knowing that discernment, one of the best ways to know if it's for you or not, it's whether or not it's making you happy, if it's bringing you joy if it's something that you, it's elating you, if it's giving you that sense of like, yes, I want to do this, you know.
Speaker 1:But if you feel like, oh, I don't know, you know, I'm not gonna go do this, it's like that's the stuff that you know is not happening in your life anymore, or at least it's telling you it's time to change, and we have to be okay to change it, and that's something that I will just make room for for changes. So I do feel that we're gonna get something out of this. I feel that we need to look into start channeling, and I think it has to start with the two of you, because the two of you are the ones that are with most friction towards it. You know there's more resistance towards the channeling aspect, or the interpretation of how you should channel, and that you know. I know they've been trying, like we could ask them right now to come in and for them to so that you can start channeling, and they're more than happy and willing to do something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean even when we're talking. I feel it already and, yeah, I know I can do it if I want to do it, but the feel I get is don't do it because you're trying to do it.
Speaker 2:It's what I'm feeling is like when the opportunity is right to do it, because what I found is it's not like when you talk about when you're doing it, like we ask you a question. Razul only cares about one thing, and that's like for you to see God and everything, and that's all he cares about, that's all he wants to talk about and that's all. That's the message. The message is give yourself to God, give yourself. He doesn't ever say God, he always says the heavenly one. Give yourself to the heavenly one, and that's the only message. That doesn't matter. You can ask anything about astrology. There's not gonna be a long answer, just just.
Speaker 1:But you may not be the one that you're gonna be channeling.
Speaker 2:Right, that's true.
Speaker 1:That's true, it could be something else, because I do see you got a huge line of people lined up and ready to come in. I'm not saying.
Speaker 4:I'm moving out to the garage. I'm not saying.
Speaker 1:It's not that I'm saying that you have to force it but it's a word where you need to kind of say you know what? I am ready, yeah, I'm okay to do this, and just let them know that you are okay to channel, that you're okay to allow for things to come through, and then they'll make it happen, with whichever. We don't have to worry about that or stress, and whenever it comes, it comes, and they'll just wait just for the right thing that we're gonna hit.
Speaker 1:And then, even as we're saying this, I think with time, with, time yeah. I don't know as how much what it is that people do need out there, and my intent is to help people into getting whatever answers that they need, and so if they're looking for something like, they wanna channel themselves, and I do hope that these are you know, the type of arguments that they're looking for as well.
Speaker 1:Not because I wanna make it concern myself too much with that. I wanna also go along with what I want to talk about and what I think needs to be talked about, as long as along with what you guys wanna talk about as well. Yeah, I just. I think it's just about resonance. Yes.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, and I think that's how you were just talking about earlier, about like that song when it comes on the radio or whatever it is. I think it's kinda like that. I'm just hoping that we live in an age now where you could put whatever you want out there. You know what I mean, and it'll be. It's nice to think that maybe and this is just me thinking whatever the universe wants to use this for, like whatever, even if it's not used, it is what it is. I mean, I'm just enjoying just being in the company. But the feeling of like maybe someone comes across something and they hear somebody say something and it just hits home with them and it's like, ah, that was for that. You know, like I was talking to Pino about this was how is it possible?
Speaker 2:like I'll read like something of like Maester Eckhart or Hafez or you know, these people that I was one totally different time periods, totally different parts of the world, and somehow they say something that hits me so strongly that it just feels like your heart like opens up. I'm like, how's that possible? Like in that moment, like time completely goes away, that like I feel like I'm sitting with them. You know I'm sitting with them. It's like this person is telling me this and it hits me so much that it's not bullshit, like you're resonating with this person that's been dead for a thousand years. You know what I mean. Maybe I don't even know the time frame of these people. But you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:I feel like and now like that's, just reading them. Imagine if we can hear some of these people's words like their own voices, saying it from their own heart. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Like yeah, I know, the heart went on to the pen.
Speaker 2:But like I don't know, I just think it's beautiful, like in a lot of ways, we're so lucky at the time that we live in you know what I mean and this can probably last, who knows, you know, once it's out there. It's out there, and I'd rather be putting us talking about this stuff, something that I'm interested in, than talking about whatever. There's enough stuff, at least this is. At least I'm authentic, like when I'm not here anymore and my son or you know if I have grandkids or something they listen like. Oh wow, listen to Nono when he was like in his 40s.
Speaker 2:And this is what he was like. This is what he was about. I don't have to construct some image of, like my great grandfather, of what he was like. No, they can hear us. That's pretty cool. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:No, no, I agree, I agree, I think that's it. That's nicely said.
Speaker 2:But they might be hanging out with the aliens at that time and won't give it. Yeah, this could be old news.
Speaker 1:It's like oh yeah, this is this. Is we eat it for breakfast? I've had an experience, not that it hasn't happened before, but this past couple of days. When did we go to the wedding? This Sunday? No, this Sunday, right? Oh now, I don't remember when it happened, but it's been either over the weekend or whatever time I had.
Speaker 1:I love when I get these experiences with time where it just flew in, like a half an hour went through and only actually was more like jumping into time. Like I looked at the clock, I think I needed to prepare for a session in the morning. I think it could have been Saturday, but I looked, it was like 8.37. And I was like, oh, I still got time. And I look, you know, I look at my phone, look into my emails, go back and look at the time. It should have only been like 10 minutes. You know work that I did and it was 9.37. I'm like what? And it just it was.
Speaker 1:It got me really close to you know, too close to the time, that I, you know I was getting worried I wasn't gonna be ready in time and I just I know that people can lose time and I'm aware of that because I'm also aware when time goes really, really slow, but those instances and it happened like three or four times for the, you know, in those two days, one after the other, and it just even this week, not as much as in that point. And I feel maybe there was something going on with the song, like maybe some solo player or some kind of. I don't know if there was anything like that. Maybe somebody can. I'll look into that.
Speaker 2:Did you?
Speaker 1:guys experience anything with you know anything weird over the weekend or in any sense.
Speaker 2:No, not really, Not that I know of, but I worked most of the time during the weekend, so I I get I lose time anyway, right Cause I just I'm just going patient to patient. But you said something interesting to me. Like you said that so you don't know if there was a solo player or something like that. So do you solo players can affect that?
Speaker 1:I feel that the least they're saying in this case it was energetically like you may have felt, like like we. Even we lost sleep last night. We weren't able to sleep. I know there were there's, you know, if I ask all these weird little things that are happening which I'm not always putting it together as connected, but now, as I asked there's, they're actually sharing that. Yeah, they may have been like a strong solo player or like a shift of the magnetic field from by Europe over by Europe, over to towards this side.
Speaker 1:And if I look at like a you know something, yeah.
Speaker 4:Was it Morocco that had a birthday? Oh, it was here. I wonder if it's around the same time.
Speaker 1:It could have been.
Speaker 2:I don't know when, it was a few days ago. I don't know, I'm so bad with the news, but I did hear about that Damn it.
Speaker 1:It was also the. It was over the weekend. Was it over the weekend it? Was over the weekend. Oh, that's interesting. Then I wonder if it was to do with that. I think that was a magnetic shift. I want to say it was. You know, right before you hollowed that out, I felt this enormous pressure, Like I felt like I was going to go into a channel and you just and you spoke those words, and it felt like that was the right thing to say so, that's look at you, nice. What does it say?
Speaker 2:anything. It's not telling you Do you that's interesting. So that can like that stuff can affect the time. So what about, like the poles? You know people are talking about that pole shift, did, did, did. Will that affect?
Speaker 1:anything it could, but I don't feel we're going to. We're going to have like a switch of the north and south pole, but it is wobbling a little. It is off the axis more. So it's kind of wobbling, but it's only because of, again, the interference of, like a of planets, mostly the sun. It will correct itself. What is it in 2025? So in a few years it will just start wobbling less, and it's also why we're seeing so much of the turbulence, you know, within the earth, because the, so the magnetic field which is, you know, the earth, wobbles on an axis. So it kind of it's like a spinner.
Speaker 1:It goes this way right and the magnetic field, which is like a, a donor, around the earth, the, it kind of wobbles along with it as well, so it's not staying with it. It just it kind of shifts and moves which makes things, makes it creates a lot of dissonance with the winds, the, the core of the earth. So there's oftentimes more pools, like at the center, and it tends to be around the. I'm not going to the geography, but it's going to be. It's by the ocean, between I guess it's the Indian Ocean, so there's India and Australia. So right around there that kind of pool tends to just kind of bolt out on the area. So when it bulges out there, then it reflects, it does something on the opposite side, but that bulge can create a lot of disarray, you know, for, like Egypt, Turkey, Georgia, they're not going also to Japan. So there's going to be an earthquake near Japan too, One of the islands up there that may come around November. I don't know if it's this year or next year, but there's going to be?
Speaker 2:Is that why, like stuff around Hawaii is getting?
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's that, but isn't there something a volcano going why? Is there. There's all the Hawaiian islands are volcanoes and they're usually active on a volcano, but so that it's creating that kind of thing. So there's a it's going to pie, it, you know, after 2025 is going to be correct itself in that way, but there's going to be a theater earthquake. They're saying to Japan A big one, A big one, Wow. If it's not Japan, Japan it's. You know the islands, I guess Indonesia there is all the islands. They go up in Japan. Is it?
Speaker 1:going to cause a tsunami. Usually, is it going to cause a tsunami? They're saying no because I think it's going to be on land, it's not going to be offshore, it's going to be right on land.
Speaker 2:That's stuff. I can get into a conversation with you all night long Like what are the predictions stuff of the future? We'll have to save up for another episode because I'm into that too.
Speaker 1:Sounds good. You can certainly do that. Love to hear what you think about that.