Flowing With Spirit
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Flowing With Spirit
Nourishment Beyond the Plate The Intersection of Health, Pleasure, and Mindful Living
As I sipped on my freshly made almond milk, a realization dawned on me—our relationship with food is profoundly personal yet universally complex. Today's conversation weaves through the delicate dance of dietary decisions, sharing eye-opening experiences with food across borders and the transformative health revelations that followed. Our guest and I traverse the socioeconomic landscapes that shape access to organic, high-quality nourishment and how these barriers can ripple through our overall wellness.
Have you ever found joy in life's simple indulgences, like a nostalgic cigarette or a plate heaped with your favorite comfort food? That's the heart of this episode, where we share personal stories about breaking away from rigid traditions to embrace life's small pleasures. We discuss the sweet spot between health-conscious living and savoring the flavors of life without restraint, all while being critical and mindful navigators in the ocean of health advice.
Wrap up the episode with an invitation to ponder the profound impact of mindset on health. From overcoming allergies by sheer belief to the energetic signatures that our meals carry, our guest and I dive into the idea that our presence with food and the narratives we tell ourselves could be as nourishing as the nutrients on our plates. Join us for this thought-provoking journey that intertwines the threads of authenticity, the transformative power of education and alternative medicine, and the shared beauty of knowledge.
To all listeners, we welcome questions and or input, feel free to send us any inquiry about topics of your interest.
I enjoy talking about food. I don't know why I get like a pleasure from it.
Speaker 2:I did it is easy.
Speaker 4:I have made it. It's not hard, but it says the guy that does it.
Speaker 5:It says the guy that does it. I used to make it and I also used to make cashew milk and that was also really good. I used to drink that with agave, which I know now is not really the best thing for you, and I used to use that as a coffee creamer that with the agave. And I was like this is cool. I mean I can drink this Everything. You know the almonds. They got to be organic and a lot of people say they're organic, but I don't really believe a lot of people anymore.
Speaker 2:Well, if it comes from California or not, like, we bought a bunch of organic almonds so that I that I would make some milk and unfortunately, as soon as I made it I tasted a little bit and my mouth started to burn. I was like ah for real. It just because it had a pesticides, probably, and herbicides in it and it came from California.
Speaker 1:I mean, even if it's organic, like I don't think you can get rid of all of the pesticides.
Speaker 2:Well, no, because they can still use it, and here in this country, in the United States, the limits of the amount of which you can use it is much higher than over in Europe, and even the type of herbicides and pesticides that they use most of it are not allowed over in Europe. So, if you really want to get through that, then you might as well get some kind of European somewhere over in Europe.
Speaker 1:There's a new supermarket in Willow Grove. I forgot what it's called, like Maz Market or something like that. I forgot what the name of it was, but they only sell things if it's legal in Italy. Really, oh my. God. So, if it's not legal there, they don't sell it. So they import everything. Yeah, everything's imported. I went on the website it seems like there's a few of them, but yeah, there's one. I think it's near the Willow Grove Mall, that's far from where we are right. Yeah, it's kind of far.
Speaker 5:See, that's the problem. I don't think a store like that will survive, because it's not like a big Italian population, a lot of you know. Forgive me for it, well, I'm not going to say it, but it's just. You know, the population is not going to warrant that, even a Costco.
Speaker 2:Well, it's a socioeconomic that has to do a lot with that and not a lot of people can afford. Even just switching to just old grass fed meat is very expensive. The milk alone and the products.
Speaker 1:Oh man, this is crazy. If I go to the supermarket and I will spend like over 100 bucks and it looks like it's got nothing. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5:And it bothers me, like even to get like a key, not key lime, or a lime flavored seltzer. And then they put high levels of fiber in it. And why? Why do you?
Speaker 4:have to hear that stuff. Why can't you just make a?
Speaker 5:flavored drink without putting all that stuff in.
Speaker 1:This is actually bringing us right into the subject of. I was like, oh, what am I going to talk about today? But today I was talking to Wendigo on the phone and we were speaking and this is the subject we were talking about. I was like, well, why don't you talk about this tonight? And so it was that. So and may I? I don't know if I spoke about this already. You know, sometimes I get all my conversations blurred. You know what I mean. But when.
Speaker 1:I came back from Italy. One thing is I have Hashimoto's, so I have issues with my thyroid.
Speaker 2:But when I was in.
Speaker 1:Italy. I tested the C because I have many patients say they went to Italy they ate everything and they were okay. So I said, oh, I'm going to eat whatever I want. And I passed the ban and like, like I whatever I wanted every day and I had a gelato every or I think almost every day. At least 90% of the dates I was there, I had a gelato. I had, you know, coffee once or twice a day. Everything Came home and I did my blood test when I came home because I wanted to see and my thyroid was the best panel it was ever been. It's ever been. Yeah, it wasn't still the best thing.
Speaker 1:It improved. Now you're talking to a guy like I'm very strict on how I eat. I've loosened up because of that trip, because I'm so disciplined with the way I eat, that what I, when I came back, the one of my very first patients and I treat her. You know she has anxiety and all the stuff and I know what's talking. I'm like, well, what's your diet like? And she's like I don't know, protein like a chicken or something, and maybe steamed vegetables like a broccoli or like the way she was saying it, she was so mushat, like she was so this issue?
Speaker 5:Yeah, and I was like I'm not enjoying it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I was like how is this food helping you? Just you talking about it, you sound sick. You know what I mean.
Speaker 5:She doesn't want to eat that Exactly Again who wants to eat something.
Speaker 1:That's like boring. You know what I mean. So there was something to that and I was thinking back and this was what I was talking about with Enika was, and I was talking about with you guys is that like when I was there and that night that like we rolled the cigarette and I had that cigarette and how good I just felt the smoke of cigarette, having a late night conversation with my friend which, like, I haven't touched a cigarette in years, like many years, but how good it felt. And there was something about that that made me feel like I think this discipline is actually going the wrong way for me, right? And it made me think of, like that person that's on like the spiritual path and they're so dead set, whether it's like a Zen practice or whatever some type of Christian practice they get, where the practice becomes like a cage sometimes and maybe I don't know, maybe it's their path in life to be one of the people to carry on that tradition. I'm not judging anybody for what they're doing, I'm just saying for myself.
Speaker 1:I started to feel like, oh no, I don't think I'm here for that. I don't think I'm here to be, to have a tradition or to be a certain way. I'm just trying to find out what I am, and if that is enjoying myself here and there and doing different things, and so be it. So I'm wondering and I'm not even dead set on that either, like I'm always open to change so I was wondering for you guys what do you guys think on that? Like, what do you guys think of? Like obviously over here, yeah, you want to eat well, you want to give your body good nutrients, you don't want to give your body a bunch of toxic crap, right. But at the same time, there's something to be said, like you know.
Speaker 5:I think some owner and I we actually experience that, because when we eat healthier we feel better, but where we eat down, we still have a craving for something. You know, whether it's a snack or a cookie, and I know there's healthiest snacks that we can have but like restricting our diet to just eggs and good meat and this and this and this isn't enough, you know, the variety isn't there. And when we, you know like I think coffee for me may not be a good thing, I don't know, but I had a coffee with the raw milk today and it didn't bother me, you know. So if I have to do live life without coffee, without eating chocolate, without having cheesecake pasta, I'm going to live my life without eating pasta, that's. I don't think I can do that without eating bread, I don't think I could do that.
Speaker 5:But as we find more solutions to like sourdough bread and maybe pasta in the border from Italy, you know, maybe they have different ingredients and the way it's processed it's the way it's supposed to be and not the way it's made here that we would enjoy eating more, you know, and it's another dimension to being happy, to living life and enjoying life, because we're not, you know, limiting to what we can do, what we can eat. You know, there's a whole world out there and I mean I'm only eating this little tiny percentage of food. That doesn't make sense. I want to be able to eat everything I want. Maybe some things are, you know, my body does not like it for whatever reason. But I think, though, if it was made properly, 50% of that food I could eat with no problem.
Speaker 5:Maybe 70%, maybe some foods I'll never be able to enjoy because my body is allergic to it, period. But still, you know there's a lot more to life than limiting, whether it's how you live your life or, especially, diet. Italians love to eat. My God, you restricted Italians diet. It is not going to be a happy care for you.
Speaker 2:I don't think the problem is the diet. The problem is the fact that the food supply is contaminated, and it's not just what we're eating, it's what the animals that we eat are also eating, what they're being fed, and the fact that they are using antibiotics on these animals that they are living in the eating house.
Speaker 1:I mean, I'm not even concerned about my own. The only medication I take is armarithi. Well, it's a compound, but it's basically pig thymoid.
Speaker 2:I don't know what these pigs are, and then, where the prominence of food is a huge problem. I don't think there is enough like when people are finding themselves sick, their first thought, the majority and I don't want to say again this is also without judgment, also being a nurse, on the nurse's hand on the healthcare field Also, because it's the dialogue that you get from the doctors are not like the doctor here will give you a pill for any type of symptoms that you're having. They're not really going to look for a cure, they're not looking for the cause, they're just immediately going to give you a pill. If you go in the Europeans way of mentally to heal someone, it's like the first thing that they're going to do is change the way you're eating, what you're eating, and send you to like a spa so that you can have a restorative.
Speaker 2:You know they'll check you from head to toe and they're doing their checking your energy, your mind, body and soul. They're doing everything like that. So it's just the mentality is different and it's being fed to us here. It's like pervasive, it's everywhere, the biggest. The one thing that I know because I'd like to read articles that are being published in medicine and things like that, and also from what my guides have said is that specifically, the type of chemicals are being used to kill the weeds for anything that is being grown.
Speaker 2:The way anything that is used here in the United States is made so that it stops the weed. The way it kills the weed, stops the weeds from absorbing nutrients. Now they're using that not just on the soil in small amounts, but they're also using it right before the harvest to dry up so that it doesn't whatever yield. They're being, they're crapping. It doesn't grow mold. So that means that on the surface of this all those plant fruits, vegetables will have all those kind of things and then you're ingesting it and they always show that the lining of the intestines becomes almost like impen. It's permeable to things, but it also becomes impenable so that the nutrients no longer can be absorbed because there's a chronic inflammation, what we call SIBO, the small intestine. I don't remember what that is, but it creates all kinds of problems and if you're not absorbing your nutrients then your body is going to start slowly going into a starvation phase and that can lead to all kinds of things. Just switching the meat to the grass-fed meat and the milk as well, made a change where I've always for the longest time even though I haven't been diagnosed I thought my thyroid also either Hashimoto's hypothyroidism, because half of my eyebrows were completely gone for years and he was starting to and my hair was. I was losing hair like left and right, and he was starting to lose hair too from his body and we switched to that. Within 24 hours that went away and my eyebrows are starting to regrow. I haven't had to do anything. I'm not taking anything else besides just the switching to that. So I know that. Also, working with people, when they show me that they're intestinal lining it's not absorbing certain nutrients then usually that's indicated. But the other problem that I see is that often time people think that it's supposed to fix something and they change their way, their habits, way of eating or whatever it is, and they're not checking to see if this is actually the right thing for them, or muscle testing, or internally using their own intuition, or checking to see whether or not at some point. If this is something I have to do every day, every other day, once a week, or should I change it and is this continuing to be longer for me? So the way we handle it because I guess it's mostly me doing this in muscle tests or I constantly check in and ask what do we need to modify so we're not really sticking to anything in particular, we're just kind of going along based on what we both need and what we can change to make sure we have the optimal health in that kind of sense. So for I'll give an example.
Speaker 2:After there was this wonderful book that came out about the from the medical medium, and one of the main things that a lot of people started doing was juicing celery. Celery juice in the morning, and unfortunately, yes, it would be great if the celery that you're buying you grow in your backyard, but if you're not knowing, you don't know where it's coming from. The celery being so full of water, it would have the most absorption of nutrients from the ground, from not just nutrient but also the chemicals that you're using. And then you're juicing it, so you're getting a shot of these chemicals and people ended up not feeling very well, even though they eliminated a lot of things. So it's, you know, I usually tell people to just kind of you have to check in wordly Is this something that is actually making you feel better? Is it really good for you? Can you muscle test it? If you don't know how to muscle test, learn to muscle test.
Speaker 1:And I think that's why I was trying to go with this, with that question is, I think, like I'm looking at all these things, whether it be on the spiritual path or you know the health path.
Speaker 1:I feel like all these things, sometimes we take them as instruction and you're supposed to do this, and I think that's one of the problems with me as a practitioner, because people always want me to tell them what to do, and I'm just not like that. I don't like telling people like this is what you should do, this is what you do, Because I feel like I don't know them enough to just start and maybe I'm not giving myself enough credit. Maybe I should just be like, yeah, stop eating dairy or whatever it is you know for them. But what I'm thinking is like it's not an instruction. I think like you need to know for yourself what it is for yourself. And that's why, like you know the reason why this conversation came up, I was joking with Enrico when we, when I was living there, he was into like that macrobiotic diet and it was a macrobiotic restaurant near where we would do martial arts, so we would do the class and sometimes we would go there and the food was terrible, Like it felt like you were eating cardboard.
Speaker 1:So I would be there and we would eat and I'm like you come in, I'm sorry, like I'm here in Italy, like I'm going to go eat something better than this. The beautiful thing about living there is like they don't advertise. This is local, because most things are local, right, Like most of the things you're eating. They can tell you almost everywhere you eat. They can tell you where it came from, Everything on that menu. But he felt like I need to eat this macrobiotic, it's going to make me better.
Speaker 1:And then there used to be this guy there that would smoke. He was like a chain smoker and we were laughing because when you asked this guy, you eat microbiotic but you smoke he's like, well, this is a lot of energy. So I afterwards I smoked to give me some young energy to balance it out. So then there's also that it was like the thing about the instruction or going on your own, you can bush it yourself. You know what I mean. Like I can bush it myself to have the chocolate cookie. You know what I mean. You're justifying it. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:So I think there's that like I don't know it's like a play Well nutrition shouldn't just be food, it should also be your mind. So if you're not mindful, like I, can tell you that there's certain things that you know, your mind's having the weight of energy that affects your body and soul in all kinds of ways, and because they can manifest it and just about anything, whatever you're thinking, you also have to think that there's, there are, food. All foods have an energetic signature that can also pair up with emotions, belief systems, thoughts, your experiences and things like that. So that you know, for someone, if they're going into a place like blueberries, the association, emotional association to blueberries is of like wanting to ingest, wanting to digest things, wanting to just eat things in small portion, and also because I'm waiting for them to give it to me. So it's also because of the skin around it and because it hides, like the color of the skin and of the inside is different.
Speaker 2:So it's almost like people that feel that they are not comfortable with, like, with secrets or with things without knowing everything. They, if they eat too many blueberries, or even they may be drawn to eating blueberries, but at the same time that may not be the best food for them because it's reacting, introducing more of the same energetic components as the things they're dealing with them. You know in that way. So that's something that you know. I know that probably nobody talks about it, but it's.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a very interesting subject on its own right.
Speaker 2:It's the energy.
Speaker 2:The energy of food is not as much as and I've heard people talk about it they want to like to help yourself.
Speaker 2:When you're spiritual awakening, you should just be vegetarian or you should just not eat this, that and the other. I don't feel that there is a lot of to me. That doesn't ring true. You know, it's not really sitting with me, like resonating with me, but it's more the, because it's like if I look like right now we have grapes on the table if I look at it, it's almost as if I can see not as if I can see the energetic composition, like it will have a color, it would have a number, it can have a sound, it can have all that and I can match it to other things that we maybe, you know that maybe associated to a person or something else like that. So if it's needed, that's where people. That's why you need to use your intuition and be more mindful, like when you're eating something. If it makes you feel good from within, then eat it, but if it doesn't or you're not feeling any better from it, then don't. It's probably not meant for you, it's probably not the right thing.
Speaker 1:So I have a question then, going from that like okay, let's bring up the grapes, right, so you talked about the grapes, you know. Like okay, that has like an energetic imprint, right, and let's say that it gives me the same energetic imprint as, like the number five, and then you keep going from there, right, but then let's say I think it also then can change from person to person, because this is something I'm actually concerned about right, like Leila gets on Issa, like right there, she wants Issa to eat, well, but Issa loves junk, he loves junk. And then when we came home we did his blood test to go back to school, like you know, and he has like a fatty liver already and he's like ten years old. You know what I mean. But then I look at my brother's kids where their house is completely filled with shit and I don't feel like they have those problems and I wonder is because there's no narrative behind their food?
Speaker 3:There's a narrative behind our food.
Speaker 1:So if I grew up telling him that grapes are bad for you, for him it will have a different signature.
Speaker 2:For sure, and it will change. It's not because because the moment, even though the grape has its own energetic signature, the moment that you're eating it and you're incorporating with yourself, it becomes part of you and your thought will change the frequency of that or have like a like.
Speaker 2:That's why you have an allergic reaction, like there is a resistance, there is a refusal like I don't like you, or it's representation of that I shouldn't have it. There's shame and guilt associated with it, and so it's almost as if it creates like a chemical reaction of opposition. And then that energy has to go somewhere, and I find whichever place is usually for the person, you have to also consider genetics. You know has a lot to play for that. And there's something else, and also one of the biggest, I find even culprit for what happens with the food.
Speaker 2:The way we're eating it, how it's interacting with us, is due to the connection to memories from when we're younger, because if there is a traumatic event that has happened, it doesn't have to be a major trauma. It's just any type of even small little things that happened, but there was food around it. Or let's say that you have food that you just ate in your stomach. Your brain will catalog whatever you have around you, whether it's the colors, the scents, your clothing, your food that you ate. If there was any, it would just label it just as dangerous as everything else. Now, over time, this is not something that develops allergies, you know right away. Usually they'll come up, you know, in your 40s, in your 50,. All of a sudden you can no longer eat this or have that.
Speaker 2:And there will be a connection to a memory of an event that has built up over time my teacher would talk about that.
Speaker 1:My teacher would always say he's like, let's just say that you were like broke up with a girl that you were going to marry and she broke up with you out of nowhere and you guys were like in a bagel shop, like the smell of bagel was very strong. Your body remembers that and I'm going to tell you guys something. I know some people don't believe this story, but it's a true story. When I was living in Italy, my next door neighbor had a bunch of cats and if I went into his house right away I was itching like crazy. I'd always leave.
Speaker 1:And one day I'll tell you about my neighbor in Italy. He was a very interesting guy, what he used to do, but he said we should talk about that one day. So one day we went over, I started talking about my relationship with cats, and we always had cats growing up. So he asked me what was my first relationship with a cat? And I said well, when I was a little little kid, our next door neighbor had a cat and then they moved, but in my head it was my cat. It wasn't my cat, but I used to like give him milk every day and like do all these things. So when they moved the cat was outside, so they left the cat, but then they came back to get the cat and I see the guy trying to get the cat and I was a run. Do you remember that? You're probably too small for that?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was the next, there was a name Sue, anyway. So they were trying to get the cat and I was trying to like yell, like try to scare the cat to run so they wouldn't get her. And I remember the guy getting like angry with me, but he was still nice to me.
Speaker 1:I got like now I think like I would have told this kid like fuck himself. But the kid so anyway, the cat got that. They finally got the cat in the left. But then later on I started developing and we always got new cats but I was always allergic to them. Like anytime they came up against me I would get like hives and itchy eyes and everything else. But all the talk was remembering that story and I was like, oh yeah, that makes sense. I got the message that having a cat eventually it'll go away from me, it'll hurt me. You know what I mean. And ever since then I can get cats and put them in my face, everything. I'm fine. I like I never had a reaction to cats again. You know what I mean. So I don't know and that brings me to another thing is like so then, how much of this is in our minds? Because something going on with what you're seeing with the food, something that that, um, are you guys?
Speaker 2:comfortable yeah.
Speaker 1:Something that um Razul would say he goes whatever you're eating, just take a moment and to bring God out of it, he goes.
Speaker 1:It doesn't matter if it's obviously, if it's something that grew from the earth, right, whether it be an animal or a plant or something it's easier, right, because it there's a lot more life in it. Right, even at Dorito he says everything has the creation within it, everything, even though sometimes it's harder because you're looking at, like this piece of plastic or whatever it is, but the fact that it exists, it has some divinity in it. And he goes. And that's what you use the mind for. Your mind is you can use it to bring it out. And so then I wonder that, because another big problem is, we've rushed through our meals, right, we're eating in our cars, we're because of our, the lifestyle that we got ourselves into. And I was just thinking, like what if I didn't worry about what I ate for just a period of time but really was really truly present with my food? Just, I would wonder how much change would happen just from that alone, you know.
Speaker 2:It definitely. There is definitely a truth about blessing your food is the same thing as bringing God into it, and a lot of people do that. You can also absorb things just thinking that you're eating them, like you can. Actually, if you think you're eating something that you actually need for nourishment, you well, your body will just also kind of assimilate it. And energetically, if you can create, if the thought has energy and therefore has power so creating a thought that you're eating something like if you're eating like a meeting iron or if you're meeting that kind of thing, you can have it. You can even hold it and just think that you're absorbing it through holding it without actually ingesting it, and you'll be able to do it.
Speaker 2:It really comes down to the leak whether or not that's enough for you to do, or if it's something, if you actually need to ingest something to actually have it to be part of you.
Speaker 5:And I think there's two parts to ingesting food. You can bring God into it. Your body can also. If you have the belief that this is good for you, then the body will have a good reaction to it. But you also believe too. In addition to that, chemistry has a lot to do with it. There's poison that is round up with this, other ingredients in the food. The mind can only do so much, or maybe you could, I don't know. Maybe you could do it, or more than just a little bit, but I would believe that there isn't a physical chemistry that's going on inside the body, that the body has to deal with it, whether you have a strong mind or not, whether you bring God into it or not.
Speaker 2:With your mind, you can actually get rid of cancer, which is, in the end, if you let it go, you can have to kill you. So therefore, your mind can also overcome if you're eating something that is not good for you. I think it really comes down to. I think all these things out there are there so that the person itself can find whatever is best for them, whatever is most comfortable, whatever they can deal with, whatever they can make it. They can create an environment that is perfect for them, and I think people need to pay more attention to that. To just create the perfect environment. Try things out, try whatever works for you. Be your own observer to whatever is best for you. For some people, one way will work best and the other will not Well, yeah, I would agree with that.
Speaker 5:I can give you an example of when I was going back 10, 20 years ago, when I was exercising, and I remember watching, on watching, that you were saying you know, when you go to the gym, you got to the vision. If you're going to say what he said.
Speaker 1:you have to do the accent what?
Speaker 4:was that. If you're going to say what he said, you have to do the accent.
Speaker 1:I don't think people know what the hell you're talking about.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's actually what I know what you're about. There's a book that I read called Like you Are the Placebo, and he says too, with the exercise they had gas grooves where they, just in their mind, practiced Like they weren't lifting any weights or anything. Just in their mind they saw themselves lifting the weights.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was in a retirement Versus the people that versus the people that were actually doing it and the people that just watched it in their mind and then lifting the weights had this, if not better, results than the people that were actually lifting.
Speaker 1:Oh really.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 5:Yeah, you're actually manifesting through the vision.
Speaker 2:Then we can cancel the gym membership. You guys want to just come over and watch me flex in the mirror.
Speaker 3:No it's true, it is, you can change it. You can change it.
Speaker 5:So as a result of that and I did this for about six months and I also went- and won.
Speaker 4:Do you have a six pack? What Do you have? A six pack, no not at all.
Speaker 1:I'm not sure you went and held your stomach. Yeah, right here.
Speaker 5:It was a lot smaller than this. Yeah, there was a pier on the table, but I actually was gaining muscle, because I also had the belief that, look, I'm eating a steak and I'm having peanut butter sandwich and I'm eating tuna, and all this protein is going to build muscle for me while I'm exercising and picturing everything. And it made a difference.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I believe it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there was a study, I remember, of a retirement home. That's what I thought the study we were talking about and what they did is they got the people in the retirement home and they started playing music from their time era, when they were like teens Teens in early 20s.
Speaker 3:And that was from Dr Joe Dispenza, where they took on a retreat, these old men or no, I don't know if it was.
Speaker 1:I read this in a medical. You probably go to Google Scholar and find it. And then they put the TV shows at the time, all these different things, and they were playing football like all the things that they used to do and a lot of them. Their atrophy in their muscles was stopping and actually reversing, Like they were gaining muscle.
Speaker 1:It's quite amazing and also the same thing with the like. There was a study that's pretty well known with the knee surgeries where some people just got they just cut them and then sewed them back together and made it look like they got a knee surgery and they didn't. But the funny thing is they are diagnosed with like osteoarthritis and things of that nature, but they're playing tennis again within a few weeks and you know and everything else.
Speaker 5:And I believe that.
Speaker 1:I'm sure that's the only thing I can think of right.
Speaker 2:I'll give you this example.
Speaker 2:It's definitely that the mind of a matter.
Speaker 2:I'm a huge believer of that and I try I advocate for that too.
Speaker 2:But I also know, like I've had experiences where I've had people coming to me near you know, being near to me, needing to do surgery, like knee surgery. Then this one instance specific, and then talking to them and actually helping them overcome an issue that they especially once the issue was on the red left knee I had to deal with them not feeling supported ever but not even being able, capable of actually asking for that support or not feeling that they will be deserving of that support as well, and just working through that just make the pain go from like 10 to zero and they no longer need a surgery, you know, for that kind of thing. So I think there's a multitude of things are going on and when there is an issue, I always try to look at it from for people to we first address. Like, if there is a physical, we'll address the physical. If it's an emotional, we'll address the emotional. If it's a life-house changes, then we'll address that, because it is, you know, it's a multi-level thing, it's not just one.
Speaker 2:And unfortunately with the medical field, they just focus on the symptoms and the negative and then they never go past that. And then you're given a pill and giving you this false sense of security that you're going to the pill is going to fix you and I think there is this bad habit of like putting people on pills in the terminate and not really revising if you still need it or, if you're, maybe we can try something else.
Speaker 2:Or is it changing, you know, as a health view, as a not and I don't want to make it all about the medical field, but again I feel that it the more information you have and the more power you are and the better decision you're able to make. So I Try to just always post that as an opinion is a question to people if they ask.
Speaker 1:I think I mean again yeah, I'm not trying to make it about the medical field, because I feel that I know quite a few awesome doctors I Sometimes I wonder, I wonder if it's the insurance In our country that that changed. That changed, that changed the narrative of the way doctors feel about their work? Because even with like you know, you have a, I had patients tell me all the time like the doctor, like yeah, this is it, this is your life now, or, like they say, things are so disempowering to their patient that I see them get worse because of the insurance company now are dictating the behavior of the doctors yeah because if the doctors don't go by protocol, that the insurance will, you know, report them to and they can use the license.
Speaker 2:So their hands are tied. I have to always know, the course of treatment matches the. You know the protocol as per guidelines per you know yeah the CDC FDA and that's terrible. So it's like it's. It's a huge corruption inside all that and yeah it's a profit. It's all for profit, not for the people I Know.
Speaker 1:And my field like we're going towards that, like we're always getting closer and closer to like, feel like the need to get on to, to get into involved with insurance because, if not, like I can see it now, this is the first year that I'm getting patients. But oh you know, my doctor did acupuncture on me like they did you know yeah this physician assistant at acupuncture on whatever it is.
Speaker 1:I never used to hear that before, but now because there's so much research done on the effectiveness of Acupuncture, on so many different you know, western diagnosis, whatever be like fiber myod or migraines, infertility, blah, blah, blah so they're starting to see like, oh, there's a market here. You know, I didn't mean so. It's a matter of time where we're gonna have to play the game and I don't want to like I Rather doing it the way I'm doing it now, like yeah, if you can't pay, I don't care. If you have the money I'll shoot you, I don't care. You know, I didn't mean like I just don't really care. The people that can pay kind of help me. You know. I mean like it all balances out.
Speaker 5:Yeah, that's the thing. Like they're not getting into it because they want to take care of the patients and help them, they see money.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think truly they want to help, but then, once they're out there, they realize that their hands are pie. Yeah, all the red tape, and that's really what it comes after, and it's defeating for them too.
Speaker 2:Yeah and they do have a belief and then you have to think about that. They get doctorated for 10, 15 years and they hear the same thing over and, over and over again and it becomes their cradle and then that's what they go out there and they preach. So if you really want to make a change, you're gonna go all the way back to what they've been taught and how, how to look at things and then make those changes. And unfortunately I feel bad for people and you ask, you know, for me as a nurse.
Speaker 2:If I can and I feel that it's appropriate, I will Mention alternatives to people, especially when they they're there with to the tried everything and they haven't found a solution. I said, well, why do you try doing this? And I try doing that? And there's still, unfortunate, not enough belief into these alternative medicine because, also from the healthcare point of view, people then get shunned or made fun of, because one time you might get a patient that comes to the emergency room because they did mushrooms hey, mushrooms, because they have. Now they're very popular and there was a bit of an adverse effect to it and now that could be stigmatized. Then it just it's the culture.
Speaker 2:It's not made so that, instead of working together, it feels like that there is, you know, a partition, something that keeps these two but I think it's right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think it's getting better, like at least now. Like you would never. When I first start him, you would never hear a patient say my doctor told me to come to you and now it's like normal. You know, I didn't even like, even especially with my oncology patients for, but not for many other things.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, tapping maybe has become more popular. Yeah.
Speaker 5:Yeah. What's that would you say that younger doctors are more open today um.
Speaker 1:I Don't know, I don't know who the doctors are that are like. I know some of them and some of them are Patients as well, but I also have Patients that are doctors and they're like retired, and they come, you know, I mean, so it's hard to say, and some of them sometimes I'm surprised. I'm like this guy does not look like a guy that would believe in acupuncture, but they come, you know I mean, and they're Again. Yeah, like Simone was saying, I think we give the doctors a bad name. It's not like if you come to me, say what do you think I should do for my issue, I'm probably gonna say acupuncture, right, because that's what I've been taught, that's the modality that I have in my hand and that's what my teachers taught, taught me. But they're being taught, like you know, whatever they're being taught about, like claritin and whatever for allergies, and they have their own set of things that they're being taught and and it's coming from a tradition of Corporate America, right, like this. So, but at the same time, sometimes other things are peeking through. You know, I mean, that's something, another thing like.
Speaker 1:Again, I might sound like I'm trying to talk like, oh, europe is better than America. I'm not saying that at all, but I do I. There are certain aspects that I like, and one of them was in, you know, in Italy there's Aide Bodhi Stadia. They're like herbal pharmacies, and I like when I would go to my doctor before they put you on something right away. Before you do that, they would tell you something Herbal and they but you do this and then if it's not working, then we do the antibiotics or whatever it is.
Speaker 1:You know yeah exactly and I think it's beautiful. Like one of my good friends, she's a she's a pharmacist at an herbal pharmacy and she does herbal stuff and I know I think that's great. I would love that if we had that here. Or like doctors of like you know, why don't you try this? And then if this doesn't help you know, I think, homeopathic or whatever it is.
Speaker 5:You know. I think doctors here are more pressured to push.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, really yes, they don't you know yeah, he got like I forget what he said, like almost like yelling at me Well, you know who he is, but I'm almost like yelling at me and I said, can I ask you a question? I was like, why didn't you get so bent out of shape? If I'm just trying to, like, do something a little more natural, if it doesn't work, okay, then I'll go your route. But like, what's the big deal? And he's just like that. He changed his tune. He said no, no, you know, it's just because, like she doesn't send me anything. She I don't know what you're taking she doesn't send me anything. And then he changed his tune.
Speaker 2:But it wasn't I Means I will question his credentials, because then you don't understand.
Speaker 1:He was my doctor for many years when I was a kid, and I still question.
Speaker 2:Because, the big the from. The only question you're asking is like I'm sorry, so you don't understand that the plant, all the meditation there are synthetic, synthetic medication pushed by the pharmaceutical companies Are a derivative of the herbal remedy and all the plants are constantly being studied and all the chemicals that are being produced so they can be produced synthetically in the lab, with all the side effects that they produce. And you mean to tell me that you have a problem with that?
Speaker 1:My god, Like I get. I would bet money that within the next I don't know 20 years or something, eventually some medical company is gonna come out with a synthetic Like psilocybin that they can use for PTSD. That's what they're trying to do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm sure you know sure, so they can make more money. You'll know it because of you know even it really angers you.
Speaker 1:First time I saw like hangers and I'm holding it back.
Speaker 2:I'm holding it back. It pisses me off. I like there's.
Speaker 1:Especially when I've seen so many people I mean the one, the the one thing that sucks about my just sucks and beautiful at the same time is that like when you graduate, you think you're gonna help people with sciatica and stuff like that. For me, I, you know, there was always that other aspect to I like mental health stuff, but then like people are coming to you with like cancer and it's like spread everywhere and they're like, yeah, the doctors have nothing else to do. Let me see, what can you do. You know, I didn't mean and you never think you're gonna find yourself in that position and it sucks and it's really hard, because then you just do whatever you can to help them, knowing that you really can't save their life, or maybe you can, I don't know. But like you kind of become friends and you kind of just stay with them until their end. But sometimes you you also see the how much you can actually do, what these other, these other things can do.
Speaker 1:I've seen people get healed, like from all different types of Things that we look at is like they're incurable. You know, I didn't mean it's interesting, but but still, I can still talk to one doctor and it'll still bring that fear back into me. Yeah, you know I didn't mean, but that also brings me back to our first subject. I'm gonna change it for a second.
Speaker 1:So my first because I remember, you know, speaking to my friend, my friend Grace, and she talks about Like, I remember this is a long time ago when she said and she's also someone that that eats very well, exercises like, does all the Try to do everything right.
Speaker 1:I should say and she's like, I just want to be like Nine years old and still be able to ride my bike right, which is, I think, is a great thing to think. But then I was also thinking, like, the reason I was the contemplator on that today is like, well, what's the point of this? Is it to live healthy? But you know what I mean. Like, obviously, when you have good health you can do Obviously more things, but I don't know if that's the point.
Speaker 1:You know, the other day I might have told you guys this last time I went to the Dostan Airport over here and there was this 90, he was 93 year old man, you know, big belly, shown alchemy cigar. So Layla and I started talking to him and you know he was telling me how he was a pilot and you know, then he retired from, from, you know, flying his planes because he's getting too old. But before he did, he's like we did this bucket list, him and his cousin, and they flew across like the country and I said is he's like? No, no, I flew. And I was like then they take this ball, see if the cousin's getting into play with a 90 year old man, right, but he flew until he was 90 and Talking to him, okay, yeah, he's probably not like running Around the blocking and jogging suit or nothing, but like he was all there mentally, he was just chilling out and we had a good conversation, like he was all there right, like all his faculties were there, and he did not take me as somebody that's eating organic kale and you know, microbiotic or any of that.
Speaker 1:Right, I think like. But when I spoke, when I was speaking with him, I felt life. You know what I mean. Like he do you? I could see he's not that guy that just sits at home, watches the TV and like like nothing there's anything wrong with that. But I'm saying like there was a lot of life in him, do you understand? Yeah, and sometimes what I'm wondering is I felt like that's that to me. That seems closer to the point.
Speaker 2:It definitely if you can. If you can, if you're able to appreciate what the small things that you have in life, it helps a lot into retaining more and having and enjoying your life the way, just the way it is. It's. It's good, I think it's good to have a goal. It's as long as the intent behind it, of whatever goal you're saying for yourself, is, but definitely having the goal of enjoying life for as long as you go. That's, that's the way. That's the least what I'm trying to do not try it.
Speaker 2:I know that I am because it's just how I want it.
Speaker 1:I think, I think they're nervous less in the background.
Speaker 5:I think the someone who has a reason to get up in the morning and enjoy the day and do something. That's what gives them follow, the mix of follow life, you know, as opposed to someone who gets up and watches TV all day long and has no ambition, doesn't want to do anything anymore and the body just starts to slowly deteriorate. You know, you know, of course, with us we have all these ideas and dreams about the house. What we're gonna do. We're gonna set up a vegetable garden, but not a small, small one, maybe the size of this room. We're gonna make a nice size, a size garden. We're gonna grow a lot. We're tired of doing all the garbage in the stores and the chemicals and paint for ridiculous prices for something. And and that gives us purpose.
Speaker 5:That gives us something to get up. You know a reason to get up in the morning go outside. And you know she shared a lot of videos At least town I well, not all of them are telling, but they're different Europe and they go in the garden and they pick this and they pick something else, and they pick something else and they go to the table and they chop it all up and they make it. Just, I mean, watching the dish that they make is making me drool.
Speaker 5:You know I didn't the husband of what we sit down and eat all came from the earth, didn't cost them any money, no chemicals, no garbage, nothing. It's just a pure life force, energy coming from this plant that literally was a plant in the ground five minutes ago and now it's in the plate and they're ingesting it. All that life force didn't just dissipate into the atmosphere, it's all in the food and they ate it all in. Tomorrow morning is another day that they repeat that whole process. They go out there and they make something else from the garden and they have purpose and they're enjoying life and it makes them healthy and makes them.
Speaker 2:It's such a simpler life and they're providing for themselves. It's a culture that, like I grew up with, like my grandparents had a plot of land and they grew everything in light of making just enough food for themselves for the year and maybe to barter. They would barter with their neighbors so that my grandfather would make prosciutto. He would hang up dry meats and make that kind of thing. There was a neighbor who made cheese and they would trade tonka prosciutto for a real cheese, you know, in that way.
Speaker 2:So they would know, that it was like they lived as a community, with bartering and helping each other out, but also they knew that they could rely on the land. They didn't have to work to maintain themselves, they didn't have to work to provide for themselves and they used the land for that. And those people they share with you is that, and it's a lot simpler way. Not only that, but I'm sure you felt it when you were there. You not felt the experience that they eat in season, and there is such a beauty about eating things in season, like you kind of look forward, like in the winter, right now is the time for all the nuts, so like the chestnuts, the long nuts.
Speaker 2:Well, you collect them Right now. You have to collect all the tree nuts that you get and you store them and you have to do certain things if you want to enjoy them in the winter and you use that type of food Like they make flowers out of it, they make the herbs, they save it for the year because that's what's going to carry you over the dry beans, that in the summer you ate all the green beans and you got harvest the dry beans so you can save them. That's what you're going to use and then bring. You look forward to all the berries and then the cherries, and then it's time for the peaches and the apricots. It's like there's always something to look forward to and it's not like you're wishing to have it all at the same time, because it's like you get to enjoy it to the fullest, because now is time for this and we're going to enjoy this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you look forward to it, you look forward to it and I think it adds to life. It adds so much more than just starting it available all the time.
Speaker 1:It's still there if you want it.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Like near my work or like even over here at the park up the street, there's a mulberry tree and every year, layla and I, like you know we're like the immigrants at the town because we're always like and Layla, I need some. We go there and we just like eat away and we just like collect them and everything else. And there's a mulberry tree right by the office where I go, and Grace goes, and we go and we get, and even now I just found a persimmon tree.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow, and it's like right by the office and it's full, but they're small. I never saw them like. They're very tiny like this but they're not ready yet. But I walk by once a week and I go to check on photo. Is it in?
Speaker 3:someone's yard.
Speaker 1:No, well it is, but it's not in their yard. It's like right by the street and you can tell no one. No one cares about it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no one cares about it. Oh my goodness, it's funny how that's true. Oh yeah, that's true, that's true.
Speaker 1:That's true, that's true, that's true, and what it's beautiful about is like you can see that no one cares right. So it's nice, like when it's that time of year you get that thing like, oh, the persimmons are going to come out soon. And you get like happy when you get on break to go check. You have it all year.
Speaker 5:Yeah, exactly, and it's like that, and it has all the cherries already and you know what?
Speaker 2:The flavors are? Absolutely amazing. In my case, the same flavors from a fruit that you picked from the tree, then the one that you get from the grocery store.
Speaker 1:It's just out of this world it really is, and I think maybe it's the act of it as well. Right the act of like just getting in and just like it's a juicy. You know what I mean. It's like romantic over it. Yes, it definitely is.
Speaker 2:But you know, there are such things as what they call the blue zones. I think there's like two or three. One is in Italy, one, I think, is in Sardinia, which is an island off the coast of Italy, and one is in Japan.
Speaker 1:You know, the blue zones where people.
Speaker 2:last they did like in the centenarian, so they're like 100 under 106. And it's probably because they still have a slow way of living.
Speaker 2:And it may not necessarily go with the corporate version of doing things, which was it became the explosion in the 80s and the 70s, 80s and 90s. It was the thing to do. And now you're finding all these people like I'm on TikTok and I like TikTok. I have nothing wrong with it I don't think there's anything wrong with it as much as being politicized. But there's all these young people who want to learn how to can, how to pickle, how to make in sourdough. That's where I got my recipe to start, the sourdough and everything like that and there is such a joy into.
Speaker 3:You're the kind of Mac right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we made our own bread today, not that I didn't do it in the past, but it was sourdough. It's a two day process, it takes forever. But there's such a joy into seeing that you know you got to feed your starter and the starter is actually alive and you're like this is a living thing in my kitchen right now and it's so awesome because now I can get something from it. You know, and the same I feel the same way about every time I've had my vegetable gardens or things like that. It's like it nourishes your soul.
Speaker 2:I think, it's just we come from that, we've done that for thousands of years, and I think it's important for people to have that connection through the earth in one way or the other. And. I think if you take that away, you find that there is a bit of a missing something and you may be trying to fill it in with something else, but I feel the connection to the earth is something that's very ingrained in our being because of having done that for a long time.
Speaker 1:You're talking about, like what you just said about younger people trying to get back to that. It's so cool because you do find a lot of cool things and, like just the other day, leila and I we were at a high rocks walk in and we were getting on the black walnut you know, which is great, it's good for the anti-parasitic, whatever but you ever try to get into one of those, like Leila was smashing with the rock and the rock broke.
Speaker 2:Like I was like how do you do this? Well, you let them rock. You got to let the outside rock, and then you have to peel it off at the right time. Yeah, there was a whole video on it.
Speaker 1:And the guy made like black walnut butter and like it was awesome. You know what I mean. So now I'm excited to go to because they're everywhere. So I'm like, yeah, to go get it. Oh, yeah, they're falling all over.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it's cool. I guess everybody has to find their own path and whatever it is that brings you joy, it's definitely what you need to do. The simpler things is usually what brings that peace of mind, because if you simplify your life, it definitely that's always add to having that little bit of peace.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that connection with the earth and then also not just with, like the earth itself of something that you said when you said that you were saying like the husband, the wife going in the garden and they make the stuff and he sit down. It's also that connection of being together and being like. You know, and I was thinking about, like Eesa, like you ever hear, the Oculus. It's like this video, what do you call it? Vr, virtual reality. You put it on your thing and you know it's like 3D looking video game stuff. So Leila bought it for me during the lockdown, right for my birthday and it was cool, right, playing these video games, whatever.
Speaker 1:And I downloaded this. I'm going off topic here, but I downloaded, like meditation, this meditation app, which was cool. You sit there, you hear the like the music and you just see like these colors, pretty trippy, whatever. But then that night, when I did go to sit down to meditate on my own without this thing I practice a lot of microcosmic orbit where you like you bring it up your spine, you bring it down All my energy was in my head, like it was, like I couldn't, like I. Actually it took me a while to get it to move again, so I was like God, something's not good about this thing. I shouldn't say good, it's just like something was all right to me. It didn't feel right to me, but Issa loves it, and the reason why he loves it is because there's this game called Gorilla Tag. Right, and it looks like you put it on and it looks like you're a gorilla and you basically go on these like chat rooms with other kids and you play tag, you chase each other and you're talking crap.
Speaker 1:And Issa always wants to play. Leila doesn't want him to play because you know the radiation and all that stuff, so he doesn't he's not allowed to play with it. One day he brought it up to me and we were talking about it and what I realized is not that he wants to play with electronics. He misses that connection of just what we used to be called just go outside and play with kids. But there's not that like. At least he's like Daddy, because I can go there. He's like I talk shit. You know, we make fun of each other. We're like yeah, it's like what you used to do with the kids in the neighborhood. But he doesn't have that anymore because the kids don't do anything in his neighborhood Like they're not. They're not inside, outside at all.
Speaker 5:So we ashamed of you. Know if a polar bear could just like be in sync with it? It's like guys go outside and then find something. Yeah, it's difficult.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is. I mean, I'm sure maybe there's neighborhoods that are like that. This just doesn't happen to be one of them, but it's. I feel bad because he's missing that connection, right, Because I'm always playing that role a lot of the times because there's no one around. So me and him are constantly like I'm always trying to find something to do with them and yeah anyway, it brings me on that thing of like also, that that connection with other people, to be with other people.
Speaker 3:No, kids are outside anymore. My other brother's neighborhood is packed with kids, yeah it's packed. You go over there, you only can see one riding her bike ever, ever, yeah, yeah, it's bizarre to me. It's not how we grew up.
Speaker 5:That's a shame. See that. The benefit of all that is you get exercise, you learn to develop your social skills, you learn how to interact with people, you know good and bad. Because the style is great, it's a slight sorry, and you know the kids today. You know they're not getting all that exercise. It's just that the bodies are not developing in the same way. Yeah, to the end physically.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it is a challenge for them to. You know, I mean, it's not like I think, like I know that I gave the opportunity for my daughters to play with the kids in the neighborhood and my house was to have, but that's because I also made games for them. I closed them through games that you could play outside. I created an environment where then the kids wanted to come and they wanted to play and they wanted. You know, what are we going to do today? What are we going to do next? What other idea do you have? You know, and it was great, it kind of set the tone of that Then, if they got together, they would play outside. But parents nowadays, with the economy, the way you have it, it's like you need two people, three people, to work to maintain one household. You know.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And if you don't have the opportunity to be there, then most kids are spending from pretty much three months after they're born. They're spending it in school and an environment that is outside of their home, and the majority of the time they spend it there, and it's impossible to not fall for that type of entertainment. You know why?
Speaker 1:I don't even think that, like I'm not even saying that entertainment is bad. You know what I mean. Because, like even now, like Yissa plays, like Fortnite, you play Nintendo and stuff.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I was saying and that's what I'm saying that was like a rainy day activity or something, and then it's something I tell them all the time.
Speaker 1:I'm like I don't think like, like he plays he's probably playing now Fortnite. It's like a game where they get together. It's a shooting game, but it's not like blood. It's kind of like cartoonish, right, but the thing is like they're all talking with each other, yeah, and that's, and not only that, you're talking to people like from all over the place and they become friends, Like he becomes friends with people. It's pretty cool and like. I have this patient. She's 18. And on her 18th birthday she flew to I think it was Disneyland in California and to meet her online friends that she grew up playing online with, but they never met and they all met at Disneyland.
Speaker 2:I think that's really cool, right it is. I mean, you can still farm bonds that way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's cool.
Speaker 2:And I think it's just an adaptation. It's I can't, you can't.
Speaker 3:It might be strange for us, but maybe for them. It's not because you can't show them.
Speaker 2:They don't know that Right, they know that Exactly.
Speaker 3:They don't know any better.
Speaker 2:Right, they don't know any better. You know, like, and that's that's why I said you know, with the way the economy is and the way the parents, unfortunately, are almost supposed to have to work all the time. Yeah. Even if you then ended up, or even if you're doing it just for fun or just because it's you know, whatever it is, it becomes the kids playground. It just that's their resources.
Speaker 1:So I'm going to ask the guides something Do they think that will eventually, eventually change?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it would take a while. Yeah, it won't take a while, but the change will come.
Speaker 1:But do you think that the change is going to go back to look in the way, something more reminiscent of the way things were, or it's going to be something that maybe we, we won't even understand? So it's going to be completely different. Yeah completely different.
Speaker 2:It's going to be something completely different. I mean the change that they're showing or that they're showing to me right now. It's going to be more like from a hundred to a hundred and fifty years from now. So it's not just an environmental change and the mind of the people is going to be completely different, closer to less I don't want to call it utopia, but that definitely there's less disparity between people, less fighting or less greed and that kind of thing At least. That they're showing about a hundred and fifty years from now.
Speaker 2:But that's also because the mind of people has changed as well.
Speaker 2:Like, as much as we, some people may look down at the kids nowadays and how they don't, they don't do the things that we used to do.
Speaker 2:At the same time it's also making it so that their brains and their level of IQ is much higher all across than it was even about twenty to twenty-five, thirty years ago in the kids and their perception is much greater as well.
Speaker 2:So the benefit of these changes at a level of consciousness women don't necessarily get to see it, because that will be shown these kids, you know now, our kids they'll be. They'll require thirty, forty, fifty years from now before they can manifest whatever they're meant to manifest. So we may not necessarily get to see the product of that until we'll be dead by then, but there'll be the increase of the brain activity and the intuitive abilities of people will just continue to grow decade per decade to the point where then they'll almost like aggression that is very predominant right now will start declining. And the declining of depression we may not see it until at least we're in the twenty, twenty-second, twenty-one hundred you know that they're showing and then it's going to start decreasing in that once we press that, that century Now, if people don't change as fast as this projection, then we'll have to wait about twenty, thirty-three hundred twenty-three fifty for those changes to come.
Speaker 1:But the way you sound, it's almost like the change is inevitable. Like it will come, we will reach that place.
Speaker 2:Yes, we will.
Speaker 5:It just depends on how long we want to take. It's a little process. Would war actually stimulate that kind of change?
Speaker 2:The threat of war? Yes.
Speaker 1:What do you mean? Like burden pangs type of a thing, like push us faster, you know?
Speaker 5:like if the world war II, the world said no more, we're never going to do this again. We're going to be the one that just started being friendly with each other and everything. They had enough of war. And it changed their minds and said no more suffering, and we don't want this. So I don't know if the threat of world war III in the future whether we actually have one or not would be enough for everyone to say what are we doing? We need to get our rack together and then people change the outlook on life. Change is the way they, you know, to re-prioritize what's important in life.
Speaker 2:That will depend on a lot of things, but there is a strong intent on not having another major war. You know there's smaller wars going on still. If there is, there's going to be one particular incident that is going to make it. That is going to be the catapult to everything, but it's not necessarily a war and what they're showing is that a lot of, because we're still in the paradigm of a lot of these older generations that are aware of world war II as a product of world war II and everything else after the cold war or the Gulf war and all those kind of things.
Speaker 2:There is just so much of that still going on and we're still under that cloud and that the new generation of thinkers is not going to happen for another 30 to 50 years. And those are the ones that are making the change and those are our children. They're going to. You know, not our children, your children. You know the ones that are being born in the past decades and so, and they're the ones that they are being given a different way of seeing things and a different way to managing so even this detachment that they're having between, like they're not doing the things the same, the same ways that we're doing and they're more feelings, there's more understanding about everything, things that are being explained to them. You know they're asking questions and they're getting answers to those questions. It's just so that they can bring the change. And there will be enough people like a revolution, almost of some sort, against how things have been running that these younger generations are just going to say, no, that's enough, we're done with it. And they're going to bring along more change.
Speaker 5:Almost like a threat of the Civil War.
Speaker 2:No, it's not going to be here in the United States. This event is going to happen, as I'm seeing actually more in the northern part of Africa, Like I'm seeing the Sahara desert.
Speaker 3:So we're not going to see a world war three or a lifetime.
Speaker 2:There's going to be a strong intent and not to meaning that. That's one of those things, that there's a lot of beings working behind the scene to prevent that from happening. But it's not a certainty whether or not we will or not. So far, right now, in this moment, the way we're going, it's a no, but things can change. So there's a huge push into avoiding that, because it will be the destruction of everything and everybody Right. So not many people want that. That would not. It doesn't make sense. But there's still the possibilities that could happen. So that's still out there, but it doesn't mean that it will, you know.
Speaker 3:Just because you hear a lot of talk about it recently, like we're, headed that way.
Speaker 2:So we're not necessarily heading that way, and it's just one of those things, though, that because it's not like written in stone that it's exactly going to be no, this is not going to happen. There's still the possibility because of all the belief systems are existing at this time that a very particular belief system of that longs to certain sect of people could push things to go that way, and you know there's plenty to try to stop it, but it doesn't mean that it won't be stopped.
Speaker 1:I have a question, maybe for you and for the guides. So you just said that, because there's still plenty of that belief system, and even going back to our previous conversation, where we were talking about like the mind over matter type of conversation and talking about like certain foods and the belief system we have around those foods or diet or lifestyle, whatever it is, how do you go about breaking that belief system? Because what I found is some of those beliefs are so ingrained, right, it's almost like if you try to pull it out, you know, like when I was a kid landscape, you were pulled like certain weeds. You just pull, like this and the whole thing comes out. But those ones, you know, those pain in the ass ones or pinchy yelling you know the name. You try to pull it and they just don't come out. And then you pull it and then it breaks but it's still there and you know, within a couple of days, there it is back again and I feel like there's some beliefs that are like that.
Speaker 2:That's a great analogy. You got to say you know.
Speaker 5:And the ones that don't want to come up have thorns on them. Yeah, they do, I know.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, they're hard, so I don't know how to you know, like it's almost, it's just. That's the exact question. It's like I don't even know how to go about that. You touch it, you get, you get pinched. You know what I mean, so anyway, so what do you think?
Speaker 2:and then I'm going to answer your question and another question.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because and I guess it could depend it depends on the origin of the belief system. But I'm not going to even go there. I'm going to ask this question what's the biggest precursor to someone changing? What motivates someone to change? Fear, besides fear, because fear most of the time doesn't change people. It gets them stuck. It may change them, but into a more stuck place. Right, you know, that's true.
Speaker 1:But it does get them to be like I got to do something.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 5:So yeah, Are you sick and tired?
Speaker 2:of something. Yeah, I think a person who has been going to the doctor and you know, they tell me, Maybe when they realize that what they're doing is it working for them.
Speaker 2:No, that's not enough for most people. They won't change. If let's say that you're told that you have high blood pressure, you're overweight and you're too stressed and you're on your way to get a heart attack, when is that person going to make a change in their lifestyle? When they have a heart attack? Exactly and not. People don't change at the moment that they know that. I know there's something wrong. I know I'm not happy, I know the things are not working out, but not until you get that two by four hit to the side of the head that you're not going to make the actual, effective changes that are required for you to have a better experience, whether it's for your health, your mental health or your physical health or whatever.
Speaker 2:Most people have the hardest. It's the hardest to make very specific changes until you're facing a drastic oh my god not happening. I can't get out. This is scary. I got to do something. You know, because this is forever when it comes down to emotional changes, I think, or even harder if you have to change your way of thinking the same way, your way of thinking or your behaviors, your adaptive behaviors, or. The hardest part about that is the fact that it takes forever to even see the connection between your way of thinking to what is manifesting in your life. Or that's the biggest obstacle that even if the person is being shown that there is that connection to that, then they don't want to make the changes because it's so much easier to stay into your old habits, because your way of thinking and the way you resolve your problems and the way you resolve everything that is happening to you, it almost you inevitably go back to that.
Speaker 2:So I'll give you this example of this one client that actually worked with us yesterday and that one of the biggest obstacles has been changing the way. And even as we were talking, even though the person was saying I want to change, I can't do this anymore, I keep repeating the same patterns. I keep getting back to the same place. I don't like it and I'm not happy. And they're crying in the desperate the person within themselves, because I can feel that I knew they're not there. They're not.
Speaker 2:Even that is not enough to get them to be there. And they're dealing with the chronic issues. They're dealing with a lot of stuff and yet all that is not enough and they were still not in the right state of mind to actually make the right changes. So we made an agreement to work with some things for about a month to see if that's going to do it. I don't know, because they're not in the place that you need to be to actually make those changes and that is the difference between one and another person is the will. If you have the will, if you really mean it, that you really want to make that change, and you got that will going, then you can do anything Do you want an example of how to do it, I guess maybe not in the end Any volunteers yeah, volunteer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, someone else wants to go.
Speaker 2:Doesn't matter. Okay, what's the one thing that you've been having an issue with that has been kind of popping up, that you haven't been able, like you said, the weed that you haven't been able to eradicate.
Speaker 1:For right now. One I think health has always been an issue. I'm always people think I'm healthy, but I always have this underlying autoimmune issue going on. That's one. It's not like I do take a dex-sected pig thyroid, but in that I don't take any medication or anything like that. When I was in my 20s I was like, oh, you're going to have lupus, blah, blah, blah. Watching what I eat, my lifestyle and everything else has helped. That's one.
Speaker 1:The second thing that I think is actually a precursor to having Hashimoto's is that I care too much about what people think and I'm always trying to make everyone happy, but in the meantime I eat it all the time. This is something we spoke about. I think, off of the thing, I'm always given in to what people want and I'm always closing my mouth. I'm not saying and I find myself going to end up going down the road of my mom where my mom seems angry. She doesn't seem pleasant to hang around. I can find myself beginning to go down that road sometimes where I just feel like, even with work, I love the people at my work, but it is tough and I'm always eating it up. There's a part of me that's just like I'm just going to leave. I'm just going to leave and go start my own thing. Then I feel like I'm not learning anything either. I tell you, it's not a fear that I have about leaving, it's not it's more about.
Speaker 1:I'm more afraid of doing the thing that I'm doing life wrong Like I do, and I know this sounds stupid, but I have such a fear that I leave this world without doing what I was supposed to do. In this world I have such a huge thing. I'm here and I need to do something and I'm not saying that I need to become famous or nothing big and grand like that. When I was younger maybe, I thought like that a little bit. I just want to make sure, when I leave this world, that it's like. This is exactly what I was here to, why I manifested. This is what the heavenly one wanted out of this manifestation that we called bowled. You know what I mean and I really have a fear that I'm not doing it. You know what I?
Speaker 1:mean either because of laziness or because of ignorance and not seeing it.
Speaker 2:That's interesting. You say that, but then just the breath before that you were saying that you, you know you're people pleasing pretty much right. To make it short, to get to the point and if you're a people pleaser, meaning that if you are concerned with the well-being of other people, the emotional well-being of how they react to you, then can you possibly live your life, if you're so great if you spend more time taking care of others.
Speaker 1:Can you repeat that question? Yeah, so it's funny about that. I didn't read the question.
Speaker 2:No, no, it's interesting. Okay, if you spend a lot of time taking care of other people's emotions and feeling, make sure they're okay and then they are happier than you. How much time do you actually have to do the things that you want to do?
Speaker 1:Well, I'll be honest with you, I don't even know what it is that I want to do anymore. That's the reason for doing this. So far, I found doing this. I look forward to it. I look forward to sit around with you three and just talk about whatever comes up, because I enjoy the topics that we speak about, right? So because of that, it's like I want to keep it going and there's no. If you guys ever want to stop, don't feel like you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're enjoying it.
Speaker 1:But I found that like, oh, that's enjoyable. Because of that, I'm following that right. Well, I don't know, I don't know what else. It's like you know, if you gave me all the time in the world, it's like I don't even know what I would do at that time.
Speaker 2:So the sentence before you were saying how you have this fear that you're going to die before you get to do whatever it is that you're meant to do in this life right. And then in another sentence you're saying but I dedicate so much energy and effort into making other people happy and taking care of them, so there is a conflict between those two. It sounds to me like you can't have one and the other at the same time.
Speaker 2:So on one hand, you're saying what the problem is and, on the other hand, you're saying and I know that if I continue here I won't be able to do what I'm supposed to do- so if that's the way it came out, that's not how I mean it. I know you don't mean it, but you're saying the truth already in those two statements.
Speaker 2:So the thing is that there is a part of the biggest obstacles and this is where you want to go and it's why it made us laugh, because this is where people go and probably because I need to say this most of the time, what's holding us back is our inner selves, like our inner children. It's not us as we are today, it's not who you are, the Paulo of today. So you're sitting here reasoning and you have explanation and reasoning to everything that is happening to you and you can just lay it all out and plan it out and just you've studied it and you've probably tried different things and it just doesn't seem, and you've gone as far as you probably could right, but the person that actually made the previous statements is actually an inner person, an inner child about the age of 11 and 12 years old, that has made those statements.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was always taking care of my sister. I'm joking.
Speaker 2:Thank you. So, and as much as you may not see the connection or may not resonate with you, it's really that's the biggest thing is to get out of the way of thinking that, however we respond to things that are happening to us today, is us today that is responding to it. It's actually parts of ourselves, from our inner selves. They're still stuck in an era, in a point in time, because they were damaged, because they were hurt. You have to be careful when we do say things, even though what they're called the Freudian slips or whatever you know, I used to hate people when they used to say that, but there is a truth to it. We tend to. We do say the truth, we speak the truth. It's just interpreting that in between. Whatever is in there. So for you is, and another point to make is that autoimmune diseases, the majority of autoimmune diseases, especially if it has to do with the organs, major organs like the thyroid or the pancreas or the liver, they're all very often due to not all, and I don't want to say for everybody either, but a lot of people will suffer from those like lupus. And so autoimmune disease is because there is a strong hate for the self, because a lot of the actions and thoughts and things that we're doing. There is, behind it, there is a hate, there is a forceful act that then translates translated as hating oneself. So you were asking how do you break, how do you pull that lead that seems to be deeply rooted. The next part that the person has to think about is that usually if you follow your train, your thoughts, and you follow where it's taking you, there is a thread that is connecting all these things right and it's really kind of getting to the ugly truth of oneself that we're hiding very, very tightly, that we're never let anybody see that part, and the moment that ugly truth is found, then usually you get rid of that weed.
Speaker 2:And to find that ugly truth, you have to understand that if you're doing what you're doing, it's really a form of obtaining love for what I do, because I don't trust that I'm going to be accepted for the way that I am and so it's a payment. I'm doing this so that I can obtain that, and for as long as there is a payment that is coming in, there is a reluctance into letting go of that one thing that I'm doing. That is bringing what I need, because it's fulfilling because it's been there for a long time and it doesn't mean that you may consciously say I understand it. I can't see the reasons why I continue doing this. But you're in a child especially if that is persistent and is developed into a disease is because that in a child is in charge and in control of that specific and so the work is a little bit harder to get rid of that, because you then have to find that ugly truth that in a child is hiding from you as well. Okay, Does that make sense?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I feel like I'm in as you're speaking. I'm interpreting it in a different way, do you?
Speaker 2:want me to go for it.
Speaker 1:So when you're saying that I'm going through different things and one of them is like there's that part of me that's like the complainer, like a complain, and this is something I was tongue-wristing and this is something that was coming up, I was doing what they call parts work. It's a type of therapy and I think I spoke to you before with my side a couple years ago, but I still have problems with the time-to-time. I think it's like a gallbladder thing and I can make that pain come just by thought, as soon as something stresses me out or whatever it is. But then, looking into that, okay, there's a part of myself like in autoimmune. Like you said, it's like a self-attack in the self. So where am I attacking myself? And at first I was looking at this part of myself. That's that. That's kind of like has that mama type of feel like that complains about things and I'll always fiss out like obsessed with health and this and that, and I realized how much I hate that part of myself, like I really can't stand that part of myself. I just want to be like shut the fuck up.
Speaker 1:But then I started talking to that part of myself and the realizations that came from it was that, listen, actually I help you. And it kind of felt bad for it because it feels like scared of me because I attack it. And it's basically was saying like I help you because that complaining that happens. It's like a pressure valve right, like I take all these things from people, I hold it and then it's like I got to get a way to release some of it and that complaining is a way to actually do that. It actually makes you feel a little bit better. And I was like shit, like that's actually true, right, but I still don't like it because I don't like to be. It doesn't feel like it's me, it feels like it's a learned behavior, but it doesn't feel like it's who I truly am. So lately I've been just trying to give love to that part of myself and just to be like, hey, you know, and by doing that it's like I feel more compassionate towards my mom, because I feel bad for my mom. You know what I mean? I'm like oh okay, it makes me understand my mom a little bit more, but I feel like and I don't know if maybe there's more underneath the layer there, but that's the feel that I get of that's the part of me that goes against each other. But now it's so vivid, like it's so alive in me and I'm constantly just trying to be like cool with it. You know what I mean. Like okay, if you want to talk shit, talk shit if you want to just be calm with it.
Speaker 1:But I also noticed that like I don't want to call my cousins anymore. I don't want to call them because my relationship that I have with them is like I don't hang out with them all the time. I don't have conversations like the way we have, right. So my conversations are always based off of our own family dynamics, right? So I find when I'm with them, not of any fault of theirs is that I find myself going to that thing where now I'm just complaining or I'm talking stuff about, you know, our dads or whatever it is. So I find like I don't even wanna go there. You know what I mean. And not because again, not because I'm trying to deny that part of myself is just that I feel like I wanna have a relationship with my family in a different way. I don't wanna have a family with them as little Pauly, right. I want them to have a relationship with me, with who I am now as a person, and I think some of them probably won't wanna have that relationship, and that's okay too.
Speaker 5:It may not be capable.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's okay, but that's their own journey. But I just wanna be what I am. Yeah, you know what I mean and I yeah.
Speaker 2:And that's a really great way to go about it, because most of the time, we identify by these things that we are. You know, I am always being this way. That's your identity, you know. You make it your identity, you start identifying with these parts of yourself. But that means but if those parts are not causing bringing happiness and they're causing something, then that means that there's another part of you that you discarded, that you put to the side because you may have judged it as not adequate because of someone else's judgment, and so to bring it out to the surface, yeah Well, this is one of the. This is what we're talking about right now.
Speaker 1:It is Is not this here I'm talking about this, like how we're doing this little recorded conversations is for some reason, most of my patients come to me because this is what they wanna hear from me that I'm always talking about these type of things. I'm always talking about spirit. You know what I mean, but for some reason I don't like for people to know that this is what I'm about. The fact that you put this out today. You see, I didn't even respond to your message Cause it fucking bothers me.
Speaker 1:You did it we're not my permission, no, no no, no, not that I'm not saying like that. It bothers me that you did that. It bothers me to the thing, like I feel. You know, I feel exposed. Yes, right, I feel like exposed, like shit. Now people are gonna be like there's no hiding anymore. This is what I am.
Speaker 5:It's not the fair one to say, but you know what the weird thing is Leo.
Speaker 1:I feel like 90% of the people that come to see me, they come to me because they know that's what I'm about. That's the weird thing. That's the part I can't understand about myself. It's like why do? I hide that when everyone knows that it's like I'm trying to hide something that I know I am Because of what.
Speaker 5:I'm trying to hide it from the people that don't understand and they're gonna judge you. Well, you're hiding it Because I went through the same thing.
Speaker 2:Yes, but because there's a the fear that perhaps you're gonna lose people that you love and that they're supposed to love you, and so we don't take the step sometimes towards that, Because we know that inevitably it's gonna put us. There's gonna be judgment, and that judgment or that fear from other, you know, relatives or friends or family, it's probably gonna create some distance and sometimes it's a hard step to take. But I wanna ask you, I wanna go back. And.
Speaker 2:I love what you're saying, it's everything very good. But while you were saying, all that I wonder and there's this thought that they showed is that they're showing that you probably at some point you were praised for being, for having certain, for doing certain things by your mother and for those things to be similar to what she does. And that praise, that praise that was given especially for a child. That is like when they're six or seven years old, usually around that age, even five years old kids may be. You know, they do all kinds of things. They might start cleaning, they may wanna learn to cook, they may wanna learn to do certain things and the parents praise them and sometimes what they may have wanted to do once becomes a forever thing, you know it becomes.
Speaker 2:Now everybody sees me as this. Now I'm this person and nobody's letting go of this. Then I guess I'm gonna have to be this person. And what they're showing is that the behavior you were talking about, the one about taking care of other people or being kind, and which is interpreted as being kind and being respectful or, you know, considerate, is a trait that you adopted, not necessarily because it's part of you, but you do it so much because it's also there is a praise that you receive behind it, and if you were to lose that praise meaning if you stop doing it, that means you lose- an adenture, don't choke.
Speaker 1:I'm done helping people right now. What happened you okay? No, I know what you mean when you're speaking. I'm trying to think of what it could be that where I took on those traits.
Speaker 2:Like the. It's specifically to the trait that you talked about caring about other people too much. Think of it this way, so, like for these kind of problems, it's usually like it's very mathematical, like it's very like, like, very like. One plus one equals two. There's just no way around it and you already spelled it out. If, probably, if you really listen, you can hear it that you pretty much already said it. So if you, being kind to other people's, attached to your identity, yet you are looking to separate from that because you are detaching from that identity, it's not about the kindness.
Speaker 1:that's the problem, cause I think I'm not trying to sound nice, but I think I'm kind by nature.
Speaker 2:You are kind by nature, right.
Speaker 1:It's not that, it's about the given of myself, even when I feel like this is going way beyond my limits, but I'll do it anyway. But I do get praise for that, right. Like people know, they can call me at nine o'clock at night and I'm like, yeah, come in, don't worry about it. And then I'll tell the staff don't worry, you can go home, I'll take care of it. Right, and everyone knows that about me. But that's also why a lot of people like me, right, but there's also in that part a lot of times that doesn't even bother me. If I have the energy, I don't mind it. Like, tell the truth, I enjoy what I'm doing. Like that doesn't bother me. What bothers me is like here's a perfect example One time someone had a problem with me cause they felt like I wasn't carrying my weight with something right, and my feelings were like, whatever what you were doing anyway, I didn't want to do anyway.
Speaker 1:So why are you expecting me to do it? I never said I wanted to do it, right? So that was it. So they were carrying this thing like they're doing everything. So then we went out to dinner. I brought a bottle of wine, right? No, nothing to do, I would think. But then, for whatever reason, no one opened that bottle of wine. I forget why. Maybe there was another bottle. I forget what it was right. So when I left, I'm not gonna take the bottle back. You give it as a gift. Am I wrong in this Right? So I leave and they said to me you're leaving me to take care of this too.
Speaker 1:And inside, like I didn't take the bottle of wine away, like as if I was leaving it, that they gotta take care of it.
Speaker 5:Like they gotta take it home. That's a burden.
Speaker 1:Well, yes, and I got so angry inside because, first of all, I mean one maybe I don't know if there are different culture and stuff like that. Maybe they just don't understand If you give someone a gift, you don't take it back. That's not. I just never heard of that. Like, I'm not even trying to be like, oh, my high behind my culture, whatever. To me it just doesn't feel like the right thing to do. I just I don't do that, I didn't.
Speaker 1:I would never in my head think that, oh, we didn't drink this, I'll take it home and drink it another time or use it for another time. No, I gave it to you, right? So when they said that, I felt this fucking anger in my belly. But what did I do? Oh, do you want me to take it back? I was, you know. I left it there for you if you wanted it, but if you want, I'll take it. Like I was scared, like a two year old. That's what bothered me. They didn't bother me. I was bothered by myself. Was it a reaction? Yeah, because my reaction, the right reaction for me, would have been like it was a fucking gift. You want me to take that back? What are you? A fucking asshole. That was the right answer. No, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:And I understand.
Speaker 1:Like you know, maybe they come from a different you know way of doing things or whatever. So I get cause it happened. The other night I went over someone's house. I later brought them over something. They're like oh, we don't drink that. And gave it back to us. And for me I was like what the fuck? You know? Like I would never do that, like someone gave you a gift.
Speaker 3:All right, even if you don't drink it. You're just like, oh, thank you. Yeah, you take it right.
Speaker 1:But also for me that feels correct because that's just the way we were raised, right, we were raised like you go over someone's house, you bring them wine or whatever it is you know. So I understand there's different cultures. What bothers me is that I didn't have the balls to express that Like oh, in my culture we don't do that. We, I'm giving you something. I would never take a gift back. It could have been so easy. It didn't have to be angry, it didn't have to be anything, it just had to be that. But I sat there and I ate it and I left going home the whole time with this feeling that like this motherfucker, this motherfucker.
Speaker 5:And then you beat yourself up all the time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then I was beating myself up. For what? For something that all I needed to say was oh sorry, you know I was raised, that you know. If I give you something, I repeat it like 50 times now. It sounds to me, though, that I'm fucking angry some more.
Speaker 2:I'm fucking angry. I love getting fucking angry and I'm very vocal about it if I can or if I want to. It's not if I can, if I want to. It sounds to me that, in that specific, if it felt really that the person's energy was misplaced towards you, you know, and whatever words they were saying, that whatever they gave back to you in words, was loaded and that anger.
Speaker 2:I wonder if that anger that you feel that you didn't get a chance to voice it's not because you didn't say well, partly maybe to what you didn't say, but a lot of people do it very intuitive. What we ended up doing is that we can feel the true meaning behind people's words, and it doesn't make sense, you know, because there is an incongruity between what the person is saying, how they're acting, and what you're receiving back, and there is this very thick anger that comes up because it doesn't make sense. I'm seeing the truth that you're a truth seeker as well, and you're a truth seeker, and when you're perceiving something completely different, that it's not making sense. It's as if you start then questioning yourself and, like you're doing, you're turning that anger towards you instead of saying, no, wait a minute perhaps. Maybe all that I'm feeling is whatever intent this person had with the words that they said and I just need to not take that as my own, you know.
Speaker 1:Well, I understand what you're saying, but so I'm gonna give you another spin on it.
Speaker 1:So you know, my friend was in town the one day and I remember we were over his family's house and one of my cousins were there and we were talking about something and, just like you said, I'm perceiving something. It just sounds, the feeling doesn't sound right with what's being like, the emotion of it's not matching the words right, just like what you're saying. So I'm feeling that and for some reason sometimes you somatize it like you feel it inside. So I came back out with something right. It didn't even have nothing to do with them. I don't even know what it was that I said exactly.
Speaker 1:But I saw like we were just saying like kind of nonchalantly, and we were all playing with this like airplane thing, this like people airplane thing, but I saw when I said, whatever I said, they kind of look like you saw, like you know, when people look at each other like if, like, I said something, you're like all right, buddy, and you look, you gave like Leo a look like did you hear that? That's the look that they gave each other, as if I didn't see it, and I think they don't know that I saw them give each other that look, but it was almost that look like you know, like that look of like weirdo Paul. You know, what I mean.
Speaker 2:Like you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm trying to say, like that thing so and then what?
Speaker 1:happens, you eat it again Like cause there's that thing that wants to be like what was strange about what I just said? You know what I mean? Because when you guys want to talk about strange things that you can't explain or something you guys call me, but when it doesn't, when it's not at that moment socially, then I'm the weird one again. But one on one, you guys want to talk to me about it, but together as a group we don't talk about these things.
Speaker 1:And even like you can hear, when I talk I feel a little charged, right, because I think I'm just tired. Right, and and and. But the tired comes with a loneliness, right, like just today. I'm home alone all day today. Right, I have very limited people that I call or that I feel like I want to call, right, and two of them. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:We went for a walk. We went for a walk.
Speaker 1:No, no, and it's okay, like I'm learning to like even sit with that and be with that, cause it's nice to tell the truth, we're never really alone, right, but like, but like. Anyway, we're going off the topic of no, no.
Speaker 2:So I one of the things that I also know about people that are very intuitive, and especially people who are refraining themselves. You're using the gifts that they have and really abstaining, like because you have you've been kind of pushing it away. That conflict that you have within yourself will also reflect itself in other people and outside of you. So you will find situation like this, because it's almost as if the universe and your guys are trying to create situations where you're speaking your truth, because in order to be healers, in order to be intuitive, you have to speak your truth always, and it comes down to even speaking the truth about the things that you don't like, meaning that if you're seeing something, say it.
Speaker 1:You know it's like you, gotta call it for what it is. I really have been trying.
Speaker 2:And I know you have.
Speaker 1:I'm really trying to do it, but I'm trying to do it without like with some people. I still get that shaky voice.
Speaker 2:You know like.
Speaker 1:I'll still say it, but it's like, yeah, like I get into that weird like and I know I'm not used to it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a habit and I used to be just like you. I mean, oh my God, I've not. But now it's like I've got the mouth of a sailor and whatever the F word comes out, every other word, and you know, and I absolutely love it and I don't want to put it back.
Speaker 1:And I know, and I feel like this weird, like pride with Issa, because, like Issa doesn't give a fuck, there you go. He like he just says whatever he was. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:But see, that's where it took me to understand that there is a paradigm that and I see it like with the names and things are being set out there that people are measuring and it's all really all comes down to how we're measuring. We're measuring relationship, friendship, relationship with those significant others. People are measuring. They're measuring how much someone else loves them or is interested in them, depending upon how much you're doing for them and how much time you invest in them and how much time you're doing something and it's.
Speaker 2:And instead of seeing that, yes, that needs to exist within a relationship as a partnership, not as a must or as an obligation, if you have empty needs that need to be fulfilled, you need to. People need to learn to start fulfilling those needs for yourself. So it becomes where you need to become selfish. You need to become your own healer, fulfill your own happiness, make sure that you're content about whatever it is that you need to be content about, fill up all your vessels and then teach everybody else. Look, I'm not gonna, you know, I'm not gonna try to make you happy, because so that I can show you that I love you very much, just by making you happy, making sure that you're content, because that will mean that I have to take all my energy that I could evolve on myself towards you, and it's only gonna create resentment, emptiness afterwards and just knock you out and that's really codependency.
Speaker 2:Anyway, it needs to be where we're all learning to just take care of ourselves, take care of our emptiness, take care of whatever it is that we need to fulfill, and that means that if you get to that place where you're completely fine, it will make you so, where you don't give a fuck and you're gonna look at somebody like your son is, and you're gonna look at somebody that is asking you to do something or getting upset because you're not doing something. It's like what's wrong with you. Didn't you learn that this is what you have to do instead? This is not the right way to be, because it does create a lot more happiness and less friction.
Speaker 1:I know you know the difficulty of it is like growing up like all my spiritual heroes.
Speaker 1:You know, like you hear something in JS school like St Francis of Assisi and stuff like that. There were these people. They just gave themselves. I mean, they died in their 40s, but you know what I mean. But like, but they gave themselves. And then I feel like, yeah, well, isn't that the way it's supposed to be? You know what I mean? But I feel like I'm not given in the same from the same place. That's the difference. I'm not given from the same place.
Speaker 2:Hi, when I was growing up, all the way, up until I had I found boys and I was one of those late bloomers, so that was like 16, 17 year old. So there it is. But you know, up until then I wanted to be a nun and then I wanted to go for sainthood.
Speaker 2:That's how much I was and all that Not from a disbelief or from like an overinflated. It was a true. I was an absolute true believer that I idolized. What's her name? Padherpia was one, san Francisco was another, and then the nun also that a lot of people used to talk about her. I don't remember her name now, teresa.
Speaker 5:Yeah, Teresa.
Speaker 2:They were my idol, right. And then I was like, no, I don't think I can, I don't think I can be an abstinent to whatever it's like, I'm not gonna do that. But for most of my life I also believed that if I could give to someone, if I could help someone, that was my thing and I would do it just as much as you did, cause I believed in that. Let me help you. If I cannot, I'll help you. But then I also realized that that cost a price for me, and I came to a point where I couldn't afford that anymore. Not a price in a monetary way, a price in health wise, like in my own well-being and my mental state, and I had to choose. I had to choose between them and myself. And it was right around the time that I started actually inviting my guides in and they started showing me a different way.
Speaker 2:And it's not the giving or the miracles that you're looking to create, whether it is with people or whether it is within yourself, because that's what Padre Pio is doing. He did miracles and San Francisco made miracles, and many other people. The miracles are not in the fact that they have to be grand, grand deals. The miracles are in the fact that if you can say a word to help somebody else's life, that's enough of a miracle. If you can do that and so use your abilities, use what you have, your God-given gifts to help other people, that's your miracle. That's what you're supposed to do. If you charge for it, it doesn't mean that you can't still call it a miracle. It's still part of that, and it's about defining the way that you choose to help other people.
Speaker 2:And I really learned that the difference between helping and being a teacher, helping and enabling and being a teacher and I chose to be a teacher. I chose that if I'm gonna teach, I'm gonna tell you what you're doing wrong. If you're asking me, I'm not gonna go around and point fingers, but if you come to me, I will tell you what you're doing wrong. If you're asking and if you don't like it, it's exactly what you needed to experience in that moment. If I need to cause an eruption within you, that is also me being a teacher for you, not from detachment or from inattentiveness or anything like that. It's just because I am listening and I am following guidance, and I have a strong belief that as long as I'm following guidance, I'm gonna be led to the right way.
Speaker 2:I feel that if you make an agreement that way with your people and you start leaving everything and it was about leaving everything that I believed in that point and saying, okay, from this point on I need to I believe my guides, so I'm gonna believe what I believed up under this point. I can't have both and I chose to believe what my guides were showing me and the life and all the systems that they put into place. And I gotta tell you I'm a way better person than I was prior to that, Much happier, much more content and a lot more vocal and a lot more understanding of the truth that I chose to have in my life. I feel that you're resisting that step into going still. You're getting very close but you're still resisting kind of embracing that part of you.
Speaker 2:And if you were to do it, then all this will just become a lot more clear for you. I hope this helps into hearing that yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean, there's more stuff that came up while you were talking about it? I don't know if I wanna do it or not.
Speaker 5:It's up to you yeah, we'll do it. We can talk too, because there's a lot of I go through the same thing, so I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah, because it goes into your.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean it becomes personal, and then I don't wanna bring everything out.
Speaker 5:Exactly.
Speaker 2:But the struggles that.
Speaker 2:I think it's a common struggle, not a common struggle, but I think a lot of people find they start questioning themselves and what they're supposed to do. There is a lot of doctrines, depending upon which one you listen into, what you're supposed to do, and I think it really comes down to what makes you feel good, what makes you happy, what makes you happy. You can change in the final whichever way you want to, and that was really. I know it's probably the answers that I'm giving to everything, but it is the answer. Nobody has to dictate what it is what works for you. So just do whatever you feel like.
Speaker 1:I think that brings it back to the very first part of our conversation with the die and everything else. Just do what feels right for you, yeah.
Speaker 2:And what's missing most in people. Why do people need a leader? Why do people need something to believe in? Because it's missing discernment.
Speaker 1:I think when you were just saying, when you were talking, when you were saying about being this teacher, and I feel like I was thinking like, okay, so if I had to put myself in a role, I don't feel the field to be a teacher because I have nothing to teach, right. But when you said it, what came up was but to be a symbol of something right, and to be a symbol, I'm not saying on a grandiose scale, just in the community or whatever it is Just to be a symbol of being something authentic, right. And when I mean authentic, not being like, oh, I'm bow, I'm just truly being what I was here to be, going back to it, that's it. That's all I really want care to be.
Speaker 2:That's fine. I never cared to be a teacher. Well, that's not your level. It was one of the professional wanted to be is to teach Only because I knew that people's young people's minds, and if you could help them in whichever way. But I don't say teacher because I feel that I have something to share. I use teacher as what it represents to me.
Speaker 2:For someone that teaches like a master carpenter. I absolutely love the way that thing used to be done in the medieval time, and I can't think of the time that Mikanandra was around where you followed a master to learn the craft.
Speaker 2:I mean, when you think about it, that's only changed a few, like not that long ago, Just like a hundred years ago right and I think there's just such a beauty in that into thinking that I can just get all the knowledge from this one person, as long as I'm humble enough to just follow whatever they're saying and then I can do whatever I want.
Speaker 2:There's something that you can't do and then shape it into whichever shape you want. So to me, if I look at it as that, there is a fascination into sharing what I know is helping me in the hopes that it helps you. That is the only intent.
Speaker 2:And I feel that a teacher that has that in mind, that whether you're teaching math or you're teaching whatever it is that you wanna teach, but you're sharing the knowledge in the hopes that it helps someone else. So you're passing on the knowledge, same as you're passing on the knowledge and building a home, a piece of furniture and things like that. Right, and there's beauty in that.
Speaker 2:To me, that's beautiful, and that's the only thing that I think about and that I use that as reference. So when I tell people, I may not tell all that story behind it. But if you're a teacher, then you have the responsibility to share what you know to someone else's because it may help them.